My logical take on creation/evolution/Genesis.

cannabineer

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konagirl420 said:
No fossil has ever been found that was half man half monkey with all the so called "evolving" that was going on surely we would have found some huh ?
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No fossil of that sort can be found. The line of monkeys and apes diverged millions of years ago. Every line of life on earth, be it H. sap or E. coli, is equally ancient, and has danced the molecular dance of unending change every day.
The question you pose is once again the product not of science, but a setup designed to ridicule the actual science. If you read about mammalian evolution (I recommended a very good starting text) you'll find that scientists don't ask that question because it makes no sense. As such, the only reason it holds such power as a challenge to evolution is ... because the lay public doesn't study the biology, and is unequipped to realize that the creation scientists are pulling a fast one. In the early Enlightenment this intellectual game of three-card monte was called "jesuitry" after its finest practitioners. Today, the culture of jesuir=try has been taken up by the fundamentalists. cn
 
konagirl420

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Even Darwin knows his theory made no sense, but you can believe it ;) and I will believe what I believe, no worries !
 
Kaendar

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konagirl420 said:
You can belive what you want, I know what I believe adaption and evolution are two different things, and if your theory were true then there still would be at least a few fossils of animals with both scales and feathers or humans and apes lol, either way it's all about what evidence you want to believe they are both faith based theory's ;)
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LMAO. You think evolution happens that quick? You need to read more. And actually, there have been lizard fossils found with feathers, I guess you need to some more research.
 
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konagirl420 said:
You can belive what you want, I know what I believe adaption and evolution are two different things, and if your theory were true then there still would be at least a few fossils of animals with both scales and feathers or humans and apes lol, either way it's all about what evidence you want to believe they are both faith based theory's ;)
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Well, religion is for those that prefer a story to discovery. You don't want to know. I don't believe anything other than verifiable scientific evidence that can withstand all but religious de-compostion. Ignorance is bliss, as they say, but knowledge is power. The ideas you have about the fossil evidence are not support by the fossil evidence, sorry to disappoint. And fossils are poor evidence when we can study living DNA from all over the world.

And btw, there are plenty of fossils of lizards with feathers and scales. Perfect specimens in shale layers. There is plenty of fossil evidence of up-right homnids, older and older, now back 3.x million years. Ankle bones and pelvis like a modern.

It's just that you don't want to know, that fine. It would rock your world and it's as close as Google. It's why your religion invented the Devil, to be sure that you would not educate yourself out of fear. But, it's OK. Belief is a warm cocoon of fantasy to get through life. Everyone gets choice. (or do they?)
 
cannabineer

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konagirl420 said:
Even Darwin knows his theory made no sense, but you can belive it ;) and I will belive what I believe, no worries !
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The trouble comes when you introduce facts that don't stand up to scrutiny. Have you read Darwin? From where do you get the concept that "even Darwin knew ..."? I learned the opposite as fact, by going to the original texts. I get the feeling that you are uncritically repeating rather contestible "facts" from doctrinaire sources ... who are lying to you. Here's something you won't typically hear from doctrinaires: read all available versions, and see which fits best. cn
 
Kaendar

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Its frustrating to know that there are people out there that think like this. Some people feel that way about me, because my logic is faith based, and theirs is from a non-theist viewpoint, but Konagirls logic is based on idk wat... to say that adaptation and evolution are different is ignoring the world that you live in. Its denying the way that god created animals DNA to be able to evolve and adapt to suit their environments. Like I said, dolphins and mammals were once land walking animals, and most snake species evolved from lizards (maybe its the other way around, not sure).
 
eye exaggerate

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Doer - discovery within the story. Sht happens :razz: There's a whole other 'love affair' that permeates this life - it was there long before me.
 
cannabineer

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Doer said:
Well, religion is for those that prefer a story to discovery. You don't want to know. I don't believe anything other than verifiable scientific evidence that can withstand all but religious de-compostion. Ignorance is bliss, as they say, but knowledge is power. The ideas you have about the fossil evidence are not support by the fossil evidence, sorry to disappoint. And fossils are poor evidence when we can study living DNA from all over the world.

And btw, there are plenty of fossils of lizards with feathers and scales. Perfect specimens in shale layers. There is plenty of fossil evidence of up-right homnids, older and older, now back 3.x million years. Ankle bones and pelvis like a modern.

It's just that you don't want to know, that fine. It would rock your world and it's as close as Google. It's why your religion invented the Devil, to be sure that you would not educate yourself out of fear. But, it's OK. Belief is a warm cocoon of fantasy to get through life. Everyone gets choice. (or do they?)
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Discovery is story as well, since it is a human tale of the history of both the finds and the ideas generated to explain them. It can be argued that all science is a humanity. It's just the the term has been appropriated, narrowed, by vaguely jealous students of literature and human history. Until those upstart Cartesians and Newtonians, history and divinity were the queens of human learning. cn
 
Kaendar

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Konagirl, how do you explain different skin colors? Because that is a form of evolution right there.
 
Kaendar

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konagirl420 said:
You can believe what you want and I will belive what I want ;) no worries
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There are worries, because you cant walk around as an adult person thinking that the world around you is impossible. You might as well believe in Santa Clause and the easter bunny.
 
Doer

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konagirl420 said:
Even Darwin knows his theory made no sense, but you can believe it ;) and I will believe what I believe, no worries !
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More Bliss. If you will go this far, I must ask for a reference. The rabid Christian power complex shredded his theory as soon as it was published. I doubt very much, that you know anything about Darwin or what he proposed. I know he never doubted it. But, the stupidly of dogma, to doom the man to hell for all times is just the viciousness of Christianity. And now you say he re-canted. Poppycock. A thrall of the church, you are, yesssssss. Spreading lies.
 
cannabineer

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Kaendar said:
Its frustrating to know that there are people out there that think like this. Some people feel that way about me, because my logic is faith based, and theirs is from a non-theist viewpoint, but Konagirls logic is based on idk wat... to say that adaptation and evolution are different is ignoring the world that you live in. Its denying the way that god created animals DNA to be able to evolve and adapt to suit their environments. Like I said, dolphins and mammals were once land walking animals, and most snake species evolved from lizards (maybe its the other way around, not sure).
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Kona's logic is based in articles of faith as well. The difficulty arises when she accepts falsehoods about science from the very same teachers she's entrusted her spiritual and ecclesiastical education. The principal difference in my sight between her reason and yours is a somewhat different set of non-negotiable faith-derived premises. Logic is merely the operation upon those premises to deduce the deductible. I do not trust doctrinaires to a) know science, or b) to honestly vonvey what they know. There is a conflict of interest whenever doctrine and derived learning clash. cn
 
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...oh dear, even the catholics are in on it:

"[...]while the Church had been hostile to Darwin's theory in the past, the idea of evolution could be traced to St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas.

Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti, Professor of Theology at the Pontifical Santa Croce University in Rome, added that 4th century theologian St Augustine had "never heard the term evolution, but knew that big fish eat smaller fish" and forms of life had been transformed "slowly over time" (:shock:). Aquinas made similar observations in the Middle Ages."
 
konagirl420

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Hehe it is you all I feel sorry for I know the truth so I don't have to sit here and answer questions you can google them if you want all I did was say what I believe ;)
 
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