My magic recipe

patlpp

New Member
Are you talking about the Envy 2 part? If so... isn't that 1.5 + 1.5... so 3 tsp actually? I know you have a beef with Dyna.
I notice whenever you compare anything to Dyna you sort of put a spin on numbers.
Yes, it's implied when referencing a 2-part formula, a stated dosage amount means equal amounts of A and B ,so when I say 1.5 tsp/gal it is indeed 1.5 A and 1.5 B. Read up on solute/solution calculations in a chemistry book. I may have twice the solution at half strength as say Dyna but the end result is the same if I dose at twice as much. Lets say dyna splits its' 50$ 1 gallon 9-3-6 Foliage-pro to 1 gallon of 9-0-0 and 1 gallon of 0-3-6 and kept the price at say 50$ (25$ for A and 25$ for B). To properly dose say with the original 1 part at 5ml/gal. I would dose the same amount (5ml) of A & (5ml) of B to equal that of the original: 9-0-0 + 0-3-6 = 9-3-6. Since the price is the same for 2 gallons as it is for 1 gallon of original the result is the same. Same amount of N-P-K at the same price. I hope that helped. Is that spin?

You don't need cal mag with Dyna. The increased cal and mag in Envy would lead me to believe it is made for RO water. So if you use RO water, cool. I know Homebrewer uses Dyna, no cal mag, with RO water. With Dyna and Tap water, you would not want to use Cal Mag. Envy with tap would be excessive cal and mag, I would think. (Think GH Flora Micro Regular vs Tap.. Envy has the reg (RO) levels, Dyna has the tap levels of cal and mag.

I do need cal/mag with Dyna, especially in coco. My well water is but 50 PPM. It doesn't matter what Homebrewer uses, it matters what I see and interpret what is needed. Everyone advocates that instead of blindly following others advice in matters such as this. If I recall, HB has 200ppm of analyzed water and he knows exactly what is in it so he adjusts accordingly.

I use the 7-9-5 grow along with the 3-12-6 Bloom and when mixed together, I can achieve very close to a 1-3-2 ratio. Because I use RO water, I use Magpro in hydro and have not had any issues with deficiencies at all. In dirt however, I usually feed, feed, water and on my 'water' days, I'll mix in about 3mls per gallon of calmag because RO is not ideal with my peat-based soil-less mix. DynaGro for me has been a very trouble free nutrient to use in both dirt and hydro.
It looks like the retail price on Envy (per gallon) is $60.. the same as Dyna Gro. You need to buy 2 envy, but still, 60 per gal

Envy is $44 + 15$ shipping for A&B combined. I gave you a hyperlink showing that. The same vendor charges $60 for Dyna-gro. I did not mean to try and skew the price by using the same vendor so let's compromise. I found Dyna for $52 shipped from Plighting.com. so we will call it the same price ok? However, when you look at the N-P-K as stated on the bottle, Dyna = 7-9-5, Envy (combined) = 9-6-11. That means it's stronger. Re-read my post and you will see I gave the actual PPM values based on 1.5ml/gal for Envy (1.5 A, 1.5 B) and 2ml/gal for Dyna-gro. You will see the N values are close, P leans for dyna but K goes to Envy. 75% of 2ml/gal equals 1.5ml or 25% less so Envy is 25% stronger in N and K is it not? Here is the link to the calculator click here

Looks like it comes out to 9-6-11. I'de like to hear about it if you give it a try. I've seen the stuff before. If my 1.5 + 1.5 thing is true though that would mean it is weaker than Dyna not 25% stronger.

Well I think we discussed that. I did call the company and they are sending me a quart (1 of A , one of B LOL) for $11 shipping. He said he will soon post the offer on the website and also institute direct purchases soon.

What is it you hate so bad about Dyna that makes you want to play with the numbers? I've called you out on your numbers before. I'm not calling you a liar, but, you know, you can spin a # anyway you want with the right words or a simple mistake. (3 equals 1.5...)
I don't hate Dyna as I discussed with UB, I use it in Veg, I just always look for alternatives because it's fun. I personnally don't care for the resultant taste and seemingly less density of the flower in dyna. I also don't care for the high ammoniacal N which is not totally conducive to inert grows in my setup IMO. Thats all
Possibly I'm wrong and there is an Envy 1 part, or, you are talking about .75tsp A + .75tsp B = 1.5 tsp Envy. If so, those are some damn potent nutrients. And, I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
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HeartlandHank

Well-Known Member
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Ok, ok. We don't need a chemistry book for this one. I see what you are saying now. It is 43.99 for 2 gallons. 1 gal of A + 1 gal of B. I've got you. Most companies sell you Bottle A for $x.xx and Bottle B for $x.xx. I didn't realize that you get 2 gallons of solution for 43.99. So, see my apology above. I knew there was a chance there was a misunderstanding.

Envy VS Dyna aside... I wouldn't trust Texas Hydroponics to ship me a bottle of nutes. I would DEFINITELY call and ask for a manufactured or expiration date on the bottle they will send you. Especially seeing as they are selling it below the msrp. That is not Tom's style.
I was buying bottles of ph down from them that were so old you couldn't see the label anymore, no exaggeration. They were cheap, and it worked fine... I don't know about with nutrients though.. Like I said, Tom doesn't sell much below MSRP unless you buy large quantity, its old or China fucked it up in manufacturing (equipment).
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
I don't mean to battle you. I just brought up an alternative nutrient that may suit others better than Dyna-gro. I don't have a problem with it, I use it myself, just not all the way thru harvest.
Again, I wouldn't touch it. 9-6-11...are you kidding me? That is totally fucked up, NPK values should be flipped - 11-6-9. Like I said, typical of cannabis specific nutes, they always get the NPK values screwed up. They do that because they understand that's what growers want thanks to the industry's brainwashing efforts..... as opposed to what plants want and need. Look, Homebrewer over at Riddlem3 has an excellent thread showing some really beautiful high productive plants, clones. He is testing DG's 9-3-6 against their Grow, 7-9-5 for the sake of busting a myth that I've been preaching for years (and one he now understands first hand) - that cannabis (and most plants) grow better with low amounts of P and higher amounts of N. Back to HB's grow.....even though very close in appearance, the high N, Foliage Pro, seems to have the edge not only by me but by group consensus, and this site mainly supports seasoned growers who are not taken in by myths and paradigms but by experience and science.

Weaker or stronger. You're splitting hairs here.

Both DG products are complete and do have boron. http://www.dyna-gro.com/ The 9-3-6 has double the nitrate N than ammonical. 16 elements in all which is about as complete as complete gets. I am a commercial grower but of all the dozens of plant foods I have, Foliage Pro produces the quickest results of any of them.

Good luck,
UB
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Envy VS Dyna aside... I wouldn't trust Texas Hydroponics to ship me a bottle of nutes. I would DEFINITELY call and ask for a manufactured or expiration date on the bottle they will send you. Especially seeing as they are selling it below the msrp. That is not Tom's style.
I was buying bottles of ph down from them that were so old you couldn't see the label anymore, no exaggeration. They were cheap, and it worked fine... I don't know about with nutrients though.. Like I said, Tom doesn't sell much below MSRP unless you buy large quantity, its old or China fucked it up in manufacturing (equipment).
I don't trust any hydroponics dealers and won't do business with them.
 

chuck estevez

Well-Known Member
I don't trust any hydroponics dealers and won't do business with them.
UB, I didn't tell you I was pissed at you. After using your advise and growing with only veg nutes start to finish, I have had to trim so much more bud.
Just had 2- 3ft plants that put out over a half a p.
I'm about to trim up some jillybean to dry and it is just loaded with bud. People who love my vortex told me this was the best I have done. The proof is in the pudding. No problems, happy plants, HUGE yields, Best quality and potency.
what else is there to say,except thanks bud.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
UB, I didn't tell you I was pissed at you. After using your advise and growing with only veg nutes start to finish, I have had to trim so much more bud.
Just had 2- 3ft plants that put out over a half a p.
I'm about to trim up some jillybean to dry and it is just loaded with bud. People who love my vortex told me this was the best I have done. The proof is in the pudding. No problems, happy plants, HUGE yields, Best quality and potency.
what else is there to say,except thanks bud.
You're welcome! Can't argue with success.

Notice my comment was in response to HH.

Good luck,
UB
 

patlpp

New Member
Ok, ok. We don't need a chemistry book for this one. I see what you are saying now.

I didn't mean that in a condescending way bud, I wasn't sure if you were knowledgeable in it or not. A book explains this shit way better than I do.


Envy VS Dyna aside... I wouldn't trust Texas Hydroponics to ship me a bottle of nutes. I would DEFINITELY call and ask for a manufactured or expiration date on the bottle they will send you. Especially seeing as they are selling it below the msrp. That is not Tom's style.
Thanks for the tip. There are some in Ohio that carry this stuff too. As I stated, I'll try the freebie out first and post the results.
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iBloom

Active Member
Again, I wouldn't touch it. 9-6-11...are you kidding me? That is totally fucked up, NPK values should be flipped - 11-6-9. Like I said, typical of cannabis specific nutes, they always get the NPK values screwed up. They do that because they understand that's what growers want thanks to the industry's brainwashing efforts..... as opposed to what plants want and need. Look, Homebrewer over at Riddlem3 has an excellent thread showing some really beautiful high productive plants, clones. He is testing DG's 9-3-6 against their Grow, 7-9-5 for the sake of busting a myth that I've been preaching for years (and one he now understands first hand) - that cannabis (and most plants) grow better with low amounts of P and higher amounts of N. Back to HB's grow.....even though very close in appearance, the high N, Foliage Pro, seems to have the edge not only by me but by group consensus, and this site mainly supports seasoned growers who are not taken in by myths and paradigms but by experience and science.

Weaker or stronger. You're splitting hairs here.

Both DG products are complete and do have boron. http://www.dyna-gro.com/ The 9-3-6 has double the nitrate N than ammonical. 16 elements in all which is about as complete as complete gets. I am a commercial grower but of all the dozens of plant foods I have, Foliage Pro produces the quickest results of any of them.

Good luck,
UB
Where can I find HB's side by side?
 

gamestwin

Well-Known Member
I've been doing two years of research on nutes. As ima former outdoor guy goin indoors. Dyna seemed cool until my old heads in N.California started hating their results. Never heard of envy might research them.But as far as True nutes go FOR ME...Heavy 16 will be the ONLY company i deal with.
 
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