Mycorrhiza Fungi...why you should get to know them...

radicaldank42 · Nov 7, 2014

liquid gos into the water rite which when applied the fungi goes all over in the media, the fungi is best used when its on the roots even mixing more of the granular into the soil is worthless cause its not fully touching the roots. ive tried this side by side the granular one had better vigor and faster growth, where as the water applied version I was using humboldts mycomadness and used mykos by extreme gardens, one granular and ones for liquid application.

Pattahabi · Nov 7, 2014

It's that this whole product is a waste of time. Like so many of these products they try and throw a bunch of stuff into a bottle, put a fancy label and add a hefty price tag. Propriatary liquid concentrate from 'pure' earthworm castings? Any vermiculturist will tell you there is no sure thing as pure worm castings. What are they exactracting? And why would we need that when we already have the real deal in our soil? Many of us have worms living right in our pot and are using 1/3 vermicompost.

13 varieties of Endo/Ecto Mycorrhizae; a complex and diverse blend of living beneficial microbes comprised of more than 40 varieties totaling more than 13.89 MILLION CFUs (colony forming units) PER FLUID OUNCE

Again, why do we need 13 endo and ecto mycorrhizal strains? And those have to actually get to the roots to be of use or they are going to become foodstock.

And then the rest of ingredients:

liquid humates, a protein base, humic acid; amino acid, fulvic acid, yucca and the finest Horticultural Sea Kelp (Ascophyllum nodosum).

Liquid humates, humic acid, fulvic acid - see bioag. I'm betting this is just leonardite/lignite. Protein base? Amino acid? and the Finest Horticulture Sea Kelp?

Why exactly are we buying this?

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radicaldank42 · Nov 7, 2014

biogas fulvpower is the only bottle product that bioag has, not to mention its done with microbes and bacteria of a process of biodigestation compasred to the others that use phosphoric acid to make the humic acids. and its omri listed. its ppm neutral and ph neutral.

grow_daddy · Nov 7, 2014

I don't personally know how this product ties into horticulture enough to speak on the subject, yet. I will say though that there has been significant benefit to soil health in applications where these fungi have been depleted as a result of sustained stress, for instance sports turf. Again, I'm no expert, but my hunch is that soil properly maintained through a complete nutrient program might not have much use for supplementary mycorrhizal fungi.

Pattahabi · Nov 7, 2014

grow_daddy said:
I don't personally know how this product ties into horticulture enough to speak on the subject, yet. I will say though that there has been significant benefit to soil health in applications where these fungi have been depleted as a result of sustained stress, for instance sports turf. Again, I'm no expert, but my hunch is that soil properly maintained through a complete nutrient program might not have much use for supplementary mycorrhizal fungi.

I think many of the organic crowd here work to create a soil that sustains the soil food web. Once these soils are inoculated, they do a good job of maintaining the soil biology. We inoculate at transplant and call it a day. If I am not mistaken root colonization can take up to 30 days which is why it is recommended to inoculate as early as possible.

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radicaldank42 · Nov 8, 2014

I completely agree. as soon as I transplant I heavy feed them with bioroot(bottled, but I got a whole gallon for free) and great white with yucca extract of course.

Pattahabi · Nov 8, 2014

Make sure you add the great white directly to the root zone - not the same as watering it in. I'm pretty adamant about finding mycorrhizae products that do not contain large trichoderma counts (preferably no trichoderma) due to a couple studies I have seen where the trichoderma inhibit root colonization of VAM.

Peace!
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st0wandgrow · Nov 8, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Make sure you add the great white directly to the root zone - not the same as watering it in. I'm pretty adamant about finding mycorrhizae products that do not contain large trichoderma counts (preferably no trichoderma) due to a couple studies I have seen where the trichoderma inhibit root colonization of VAM.

Peace!
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You use the Extreme brand right?

I'm using the stuff from Fungi Perfecti right now. Not sure how that stacks up??

Pattahabi · Nov 8, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
You use the Extreme brand right?

I'm using the stuff from Fungi Perfecti right now. Not sure how that stacks up??

Yes, I am using the xtreme brand mykos. Without looking at the package, I believe it's the 80 spore premier product repackaged - straight glomus intraradices.

If this is the one you are using, I don't see any spore counts anywhere?

http://www.fungi.com/shop/fungi-for-healthy-gardens-and-garden-supplies.html

Peace!
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st0wandgrow · Nov 8, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Yes, I am using the xtreme brand mykos. Without looking at the package, I believe it's the 80 spore premier product repackaged - straight glomus intraradices.

If this is the one you are using, I don't see any spore counts anywhere?

http://www.fungi.com/shop/fungi-for-healthy-gardens-and-garden-supplies.html

Peace!
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On the bottle it says:

"Contains spore mass of Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus aggregatum, and Glomus etunicatum. (55 prop./gram each)".

Thoughts?

Pattahabi · Nov 8, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
On the bottle it says:

"Contains spore mass of Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus aggregatum, and Glomus etunicatum. (55 prop./gram each)".

Thoughts?

Disclaimer lol:

bongsmilie

I have heard glomus intraradices and glomus mosse for cannabis. I would think that mix would be real nice. Can I ask what something like that a pound is? I think the xtreme is $17 with the good dude discount at the local dro store. Are there any other bacteria/fungi in the mix?

Couple links:

• Glomus Intraradices
• Glomus Mosseae
• Glomus Aggregatum
• Glomus Etunicatum

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st0wandgrow · Nov 8, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Disclaimer lol:

I have heard glomus intraradices and glomus mosse for cannabis. I would think that mix would be real nice. Can I ask what something like that a pound is? I think the xtreme is $17 with the good dude discount at the local dro store. Are there any other bacteria/fungi in the mix?

Couple links:

• Glomus Intraradices
• Glomus Mosseae
• Glomus Aggregatum
• Glomus Etunicatum

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Nothing else in it other than what I listed above. $59.95 + shipping for a lb. sounds like the stuff you're using is a better deal. They sell the Extreme Myco at different places around me, but it is way more expensive than what you're paying!

Pattahabi · Nov 8, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
Nothing else in it other than what I listed above. $59.95 + shipping for a lb. sounds like the stuff you're using is a better deal. They sell the Extreme Myco at different places around me, but it is way more expensive than what you're paying!

Maybe I need to double check the price, but I thought it was right around $17. I'm not sure I could shell out $60/per lb. It does sound like nice stuff though. FWIW, I so a noticable difference between Great white and the xtreme mykos.

Actually, damn! Check out Amazon! A kilo for $22.60? Shit, I might order one even though I already have some.

http://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Garden...F8&qid=1415489031&sr=8-1&keywords=mycorrhizae

Peace!

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Dr.Pecker · Nov 8, 2014

The shop I went to had that stuff . It says it only treats 2 plants. 20 dollars for two plants?.

Pattahabi · Nov 8, 2014

Dr.Pecker said:
The shop I went to had that stuff . It says it only treats 2 plants. 20 dollars for two plants?.

No, it treats a lot more then two plants. Not sure where you saw that at, but I usually add like a tsp on small transplants and like a tbsp on larger ones.

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Dr.Pecker · Nov 8, 2014

Pattahabi said:
No, it treats a lot more then two plants. Not sure where you saw that at, but I usually add like a tsp on small transplants and like a tbsp on larger ones.

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I'll take a look at again next time im in the store. That's why I was turned off by it. It might have been azos.

Pattahabi · Nov 8, 2014

Dr.Pecker said:
I'll take a look at again next time im in the store. That's why I was turned off by it. It might have been azos.

Azos is pretty strong stuff! I have a bag that I never use cause my plants damn near get nitrogen toxicity when I apply it!

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radicaldank42 · Nov 10, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Make sure you add the great white directly to the root zone - not the same as watering it in. I'm pretty adamant about finding mycorrhizae products that do not contain large trichoderma counts (preferably no trichoderma) due to a couple studies I have seen where the trichoderma inhibit root colonization of VAM.

Peace!
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actually look up vam by bioag it doesn't have trichomderma, it has a wide variety of mycorrhazae, and its extracted from live plants tather then form a lab, so its more alive and shit. look it up its a really nice product. also I do add it to the root zone I actually add like 2 tsps. to my root zone then a tblsp of mykos from extreme. but I did a test difference between the two and had better roots and vigor from my plant that was just vam added then the great white and mykos mix. and its due to the trichomderma being to aggressive.

Pattahabi · Nov 10, 2014

radicaldank42 said:
actually look up vam by bioag it doesn't have trichomderma, it has a wide variety of mycorrhazae, and its extracted from live plants tather then form a lab, so its more alive and shit. look it up its a really nice product. also I do add it to the root zone I actually add like 2 tsps. to my root zone then a tblsp of mykos from extreme. but I did a test difference between the two and had better roots and vigor from my plant that was just vam added then the great white and mykos mix. and its due to the trichomderma being to aggressive.

I have not usd the VAM, but I have seen nothing but quality come from Bioag. Their Fulpower and TM-7 are excellent. I'll might have to pick up a package some time. The Xtreme gardening mykos are just so damn cheap! Lol!

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radicaldank42 · Nov 10, 2014

I know man but where im at the regular bag of mykos and vam are the same, and I know man I use the crapp outta cytoplast

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