Mycorrhiza Fungi...why you should get to know them...

Bubblin

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I use Mykos Extreme and I noticed bigger roots with it but never “the web” in my soil of my med garden
mm I never get a web on the top of the medium, usually just a light white layer of fungi growing around the base of the cover crop.

Isn't Mykos only mycorrhiza?
You could try something like recharge / great white, both are loaded with many types of bacteria and fungi, including mycorrhiza.
 

pollen205

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maybe stupid question but...

wil I harm some how if I add mykos,azos, biotabs mycrotex and in biobizz soil I have some mzcroriyhie so that are 3 source of this bacteria in soil
will the maybe get aggressive to each other
 

jblumpkin

Active Member
maybe stupid question but...

wil I harm some how if I add mykos,azos, biotabs mycrotex and in biobizz soil I have some mzcroriyhie so that are 3 source of this bacteria in soil
will the maybe get aggressive to each other
Not 100% sure of the answer to that, but there is some evidence that Tricoderma can interfere with Mycorrhizal fungi colonization, at least during it's early stages ResearchGate has a lot of talk about this- https://www.researchgate.net/post/Does_Trichoderma_interfere_with_mycorrhizae_root_colonization
 

Ecompost

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Chookface..... Yes, Sub-Culture is a decent amendment. I've noticed they now sell it in a Myco fungi only mix & a Good Bacteria only mix. Hmmmm......
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GH sures knows how to make a buck. They break everything down to lot's of parts - so they can make lot's of dough - selling you all the parts.
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Myco Magic, Plant Sucess and Super Plant Tonic are probably better choices. They come fully assembled. Not parts & parts with more parts available for a buck.
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If Sub-Culture is all you have access to - get it - any micro-beasties - wheter they be fungi or bacteria - will benefit your plants.
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Keep it Real...Organic......
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just to chip in here as a maker of Mycos. Not all are equal. I tested a great many during an evaluation for mining restoration before I started to make my own, and many of the products we tested came back with number of viable spores so low there was a high probability no symbiosis was possible. After live testing and the taking of root samples, this was born out with many of the products failing to produce any living Mycorrhizas.
Now this might be a storage issue, or it could be a production/ manufacturer failure, but a large number of the cheaper end where literally hopeless, and many of the higher priced ones too.
there was no difference between iquid or powders both were poor.
Some cheaper products are lab grown non resonant microbes, so there is a good deal of jet lag before the microbes get up to speed on what they ought to be doing.

Additionally there a wide number of reasons to not buy Mycos, depending on how you grow. if you use large volumes of P2O5 for example, have insufficient Calcium access and so on.

I agree with the fundamentals of this discussion, growing with Mycos is to use an evolutionary advantage over non using growers. Myco grown cannabis has more trichs and so more meds as a rule than non myco plants. The reasons are simply outlined in this thread, its about stimulation, modulation and up-regulation of Innate Systemic Responses pre loaded in our plants. Mycos boost up the plants own defenses, they protect from root pathogens, and from environmental stressors.
if you are a grower who prefers to let nature rule, they are a definite tool for the box, i wouldnt plant without them.

Because i use Mycos, i dont have to apply excessive P2O5, and this sits well with me knowing I am as an outdoor grower, not participating in water table pollution, and that i am sequestering more carbon building media fertility instead
 

Ecompost

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maybe stupid question but...

wil I harm some how if I add mykos,azos, biotabs mycrotex and in biobizz soil I have some mzcroriyhie so that are 3 source of this bacteria in soil
will the maybe get aggressive to each other
hello
Mycorrhizal fungi organise the biome of bacteria required, additional unwanted or potentially harmful microbes are typically kept away by the epigenetic ability of the fungus to generate unique proteins and or compounds, or simply by hoarding all the resources, as in the case of calcium.
We think Mycos are rendering insufficient access to calcium for many other fungal groups, and thus this prevents them gaining a foothold. But that is a simplified reality i suspect and it could be a suitcase full of systems that matter.
It is hard to study organisms that can literally create brand new compounds or proteins on demand when faced with new problems to manage and so understanding the full extent of the interactions is still someway off in our academic futures.

I suspect the thing in your post suffering the most will be your wallet if you are applying all of these products.
 

Ecompost

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In theory, if you have a no-till and get a mycorrhizal network established in there, you needn't add any more spores.

I say in theory because I haven't been able to verify this in practice yet - I'm still busy getting the basic soil food web established ;)
you are quite right. No till is about leaving the biome intact as much as it is about the soil stability.
 

Ecompost

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I just found this in my soil. It looks like mold spores, is this benefitial or not? I used myco to inoculate my roots 2 times, growing 100% organic using biobizz nutes and guanos. Im watering every 6 or 7 days so im sure it's not an humidity issue. Why are all my plants growing this mold? It looks its spreading quickly. I don't have any other plagues.
I suspect it is actinomycetes growing because a) you have high moisture, and b) you have lots of organic material. This white fuzz people see is more normally not mycorrhizal, but Actinomycetes which is an N fixing mold type bacteria and extremely common component of composting
 

Ecompost

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Is this good stuff? It’s in my outside vegetable garden, which I amended and added FFOF. If it is good I think I’d be afraid to add it to my indoor grow because of bugs.
I’m speaki of the white web
potatoes do associate with endomycorrhizal fungi but the pic isnt clear enough. Mycos are extremely small and very hard to see with the naked eye.
Just as an FYI and i aint saying this is whatt you are seeing here.....The three most common colonizers of potato roots detected in studys in the Adean wild are: Funneliformis mosseae, an unknown Claroideoglomus sp., and Rhizophagus irregularis. it has been noted that potatoes associate with 8 of the 11 Glomeromycota families. Hope this helps
 

Ecompost

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Any fungus found not directly growing on roots is highly likely to be a saprophytic, non-mycorrhyzal organism. Not that that's a bad thing, saprophytic fungi are the main decomposers of organic matter and are important in nutrient cycling although it's not mycorrhizal fungi.
agreed, most people are seeing Actinobac and making an assumption it mycos. there is a picture above which shows both the darker near orange brown mycos surrounded by various mycetes, yeasts and related bacteria
 

Ecompost

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I recently switched from Hydro to using fox farms coco loco and ocean forest. I recently ran out of great white, and will be replacing with mykos and using compost teas (I studied this sites sticky). I plan to add in, hydrolized fish and kelp extract to my compost tea. What else can I use to bring up the micro-organisms to create a solid food web. Using soil is much different than hydro (im fairly new). Would love some advice? azos maybe?
Different inputs result in different communities of microbes. There are some good studies which can help, I'd link you up but i cant paste URLs as a newbie.
This is all well and good data, but first you really have to know what you have first before you risk altering the balance. By far the best amendment for soil to grow short day crops is just good quality compost.
 

pollen205

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Can I put mykos on top of my soil and water it from time to time
And can I do this with azos too

I go from seed to final pot so never transplant a plant...
How do I apply azos and mykos and how often
 

Ecompost

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Can I put mykos on top of my soil and water it from time to time
And can I do this with azos too

I go from seed to final pot so never transplant a plant...
How do I apply azos and mykos and how often
put it in at seeding time, yes you can top dress it if forked in to soil and not left to the elements of weather etc. watering it in would also work
 

pollen205

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I put mykos in soil and in hole when my seed will go... off course I do that, but I want to know if I top dress my soil with it and azos will the bacteria penetrate thru roots
I see from mendo dope that they put mykos on top of soil so wondering will it help

Or maybe can I put mykos and azos in bucket and put air pump with air stone....
 

Ecompost

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I put mykos in soil and in hole when my seed will go... off course I do that, but I want to know if I top dress my soil with it and azos will the bacteria penetrate thru roots
I see from mendo dope that they put mykos on top of soil so wondering will it help

Or maybe can I put mykos and azos in bucket and put air pump with air stone....
if you have added it, you dont need to re-add it. If it has failed at germination, it wont work via top dress. Endophores are just that, they cant help but infect roots or plant cells, its their nature
 

Ecompost

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I put mykos in soil and in hole when my seed will go... off course I do that, but I want to know if I top dress my soil with it and azos will the bacteria penetrate thru roots
I see from mendo dope that they put mykos on top of soil so wondering will it help

Or maybe can I put mykos and azos in bucket and put air pump with air stone....
perhaps this will help

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms1046

and
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpls.2013.00426/full
 
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