Name a country that's better than America

ttystikk

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Problem is, we won't be the best place to live for long if we keep all this BS up. Every country has their own version of exceptionalism. It's human nature to go to the extreme political view when they hang around others with similar views. We have a terrifyingly high chance of having a civil war in the next 30 years. It won't be anything like the last one - it'll be like Charlettesville every weekend. For some reason, many people view themselves as the lucky survivors in any armageddon. That aint going to be the case - in fact those same assholes will be among the first casualties. If shit goes down hill, we won't dig out of it for decades, maybe centuries. The economy will go to crap, unemployment through the roof. All the while, the entire rest of the world catches up. People need to start treating each other like people if they want the US to stay great.
The rest of the world has long since caught up and are pulling ahead.

America leads the world in three things; defense budget, number of people incarcerated and percentage of the population that believes in angels.

A winning strategy if ever there was one.

America either throws off the yoke of plutocracy via Citizens United (Orwell himself could not have named it better) or this country sinks. The ultra wealthy are the real enemy. Just look at what they do with their power.
 

ttystikk

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ok, you can keep repeating it but i still caught him in a massive and shameless pile of hypocrisy.
Not yet. You haven't cited the source of your refutation.

Proof. It's for everyone, especially inveterate truth twisters like you, apartheid supporter.
 

ttystikk

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Yet another example of your desperate attempts to twist the truth. I don't care what your religious affiliation is, it's irrelevant to your support of Israeli policies of apartheid and their shameless and ongoing crimes against the Palestinian People. That fact that you then try to hide behind religion is despicable, shameless and exposes the depravity of your character.

Palestinian dispossession. The Nekba.

https://palestineinamerica.com/2015/05/nekba-palestinian-american/

You should be ashamed of yourself and your defense of a nation that would do this to a peaceful people, just as America should rightfully be ashamed at the way it treated Native Americans, even to this day.

But you have proven beyond any doubt that you have no shame, that lying is like breathing to you, that no tactic is too low to use to get your way.

You're a sick man, Buck. I can only hope you don't infect your children with such evil views.
 

deno

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The rest of the world has long since caught up and are pulling ahead.

America leads the world in three things; defense budget, number of people incarcerated and percentage of the population that believes in angels.

A winning strategy if ever there was one.

America either throws off the yoke of plutocracy via Citizens United (Orwell himself could not have named it better) or this country sinks. The ultra wealthy are the real enemy. Just look at what they do with their power.
People have been saying that same shit my entire life - since the 60s. Every generation comes along thinking they have it all worked out, only to grow old and watch the next generation treat them like they are idiots. You are a cynic. You are acting spoiled. You are acting like a foolish young man eager to go to war, with absolutely no idea what he's in for if he goes. 'Throwing off the yoke' with violence will guarantee death and destruction with absolutely no guarantee of recovery. You friends and family will suffer and die. Your standard of living will go down, and likely never recover. You'll have to live under authoritarian rule you couldn't even imagine - perhaps for the rest of your life. We still have the strongest GDP in the world, along with its moral responsibility. If we have a civil war, we won't be able to help the world when the inevitable dictator starts gassing and commuting genocides. There are other ways to fix America. You are close to the truth when you say that the rich are the enemy. The truth is that economic disparity is corrosive to democracy, and it needs to be fixed.
 
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Fogdog

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Hey you guys, I posted the references you were so interested in. Nothing but crickets from you guys about them. How about those links I posted.

cite the reference or shut the fuck up with your nonsense
Translation; 'I've got nothing'

Citation or you lose (even more) credibility.
Dude, you are so susceptible to fake conspiracy theories. Your new love is "election was rigged". Once you fall for one of these, you embrace them with the slobbery love of a cat with catnip.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/donna-brazile-primary-rigged/index.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/05/donna-brazile-rigged-democrats-clinton-sanders-244566
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/11/05/brazile-says-she-found-no-evidence-that-democratic-primaries-were-rigged-for-clinton/?utm_term=.dcb32f92e30e

I look forward to you inane denial.

If you are just hopped up on Brazile's inflamatory and self promoting article, then I'm sure that 100 people who worked on the campaign isn't enough either.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/open-letter-attack-onbrazile_us_59fe9cd1e4b0c9652fffc493?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Sarin false flag, 650 step protocol, 9/11 inside job, no moon landing, jfk, election rigged

I'm sure the above is just a partial list.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
ya mean, the same people who elected a terrorist organization that calls for the complete extermination of all jews on earth?

jesusfuck you are lost.
And if a gang of Invaders came to murder your families, steal your lands and erase all trace of your existence from history to cover up their crimes, how would YOU feel about them?! Who cares if the British gave Zionist forces 'permission' under the Balfour Declaration, it wasn't their fucking land to give away. Who cares if it's been over half a century, the scars and the children of that new Holocaust are still there, proof that Israel has not learned the lessons of history.

Your perspective is shallow, your views shortsighted, your vision only of your own gain. You're a sick and twisted caricature of a human being, your only friends being those you've managed to con into supporting you here.

You don't even grow anymore. You have no cause here, you're just stuck in old habits, a bitter shell of a man with nothing left to offer anyone but hatred.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
People have been saying that same shit my entire life - since the 60s. Every generation comes along thinking they have it all worked out, only to grow old and watch the next generation treat them like they are idiots. You are a cynic. You are acting spoiled. You are acting like a foolish young man eager to go to war, with absolutely no idea what he's in for if he goes. 'Throwing off the yoke' with violence will guarantee death and destruction with absolutely no guarantee of recovery. You friends and family will suffer and die. Your standard of living will go down, and likely never recover. You'll have to live under authoritarian rule you couldn't even imagine - perhaps for the rest of your life. We still have the strongest GDP in the world, along with its moral responsibility. If we have a civil war, we won't be able to help the world when the inevitable dictator starts gassing and commuting genocides. There are other ways to fix America. You are close to the truth when you say that the rich are the enemy. The truth is that economic disparity is corrosive to democracy, and it needs to be fixed.
preach!
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
And if a gang of Invaders came to murder your families, steal your lands and erase all trace of your existence from history to cover up their crimes, how would YOU feel about them?! Who cares if the British gave Zionist forces 'permission' under the Balfour Declaration, it wasn't their fucking land to give away. Who cares if it's been over half a century, the scars and the children of that new Holocaust are still there, proof that Israel has not learned the lessons of history.

Your perspective is shallow, your views shortsighted, your vision only of your own gain. You're a sick and twisted caricature of a human being, your only friends being those you've managed to con into supporting you here.

You don't even grow anymore. You have no cause here, you're just stuck in old habits, a bitter shell of a man with nothing left to offer anyone but hatred.
histrionic much?
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
People have been saying that same shit my entire life - since the 60s. Every generation comes along thinking they have it all worked out, only to grow old and watch the next generation treat them like they are idiots. You are a cynic. You are acting spoiled. You are acting like a foolish young man eager to go to war, with absolutely no idea what he's in for if he goes. 'Throwing off the yoke' with violence will guarantee death and destruction with absolutely no guarantee of recovery. You friends and family will suffer and die. Your standard of living will go down, and likely never recover. You'll have to live under authoritarian rule you couldn't even imagine - perhaps for the rest of your life. We still have the strongest GDP in the world, along with its moral responsibility. If we have a civil war, we won't be able to help the world when the inevitable dictator starts gassing and commuting genocides. There are other ways to fix America. You are close to the truth when you say that the rich are the enemy. The truth is that economic disparity is corrosive to democracy, and it needs to be fixed.
I'm not a cynic, I'm a realist.

The first step in fixing our problems is an honest admission and assessment of them- a process we as a nation have not really yet even begun.

The 1960s were full of endless wars too, from the Middle East to Vietnam. At home, the Civil Rights Movement was anything but nonviolent, thanks to the white supremacists. Were these the hallmarks of 'The Greatest Nation On Earth'?!

I've seen war at a young age, and you have my intentions exactly backwards; I'm agitating to PREVENT more endless wars for profit, not start them.

I don't advocate violence against the plutocrats unless they leave We the People no other choice- or worse, use violence against us. It's happened before, in this country, many times.

I'd much rather use the machinery of Democracy, but that's been badly subverted and twisted to service the end of the rich rather than the rest of us. Yet struggle we must, if we are to build a more perfect nation for the enjoyment of our progeny.

Have a good look around, Ace- our standard of living has been falling relative to our country's productivity since the 1970s, and has only accelerated more recently. Maybe you live a sheltered life but where I'm at, I regularly talk to people who work full time jobs, yet still need food stamps and other government assistance to make ends meet. Don't tell me they don't deserve better or that our nation can't provide it.

We are about to lose that title of 'World's biggest GDP' to China- and if I were you, I wouldn't try to defend America's morality in the world with a straight face. We had that responsibility and we shamelessly shirked it, preferring instead to pursue endless wars of conquest and corporate greed, violating every principle of moral conduct along the way. We've overturned democratically elected governments, attacked countries over fabricated stories of wrongdoing, murdered for profit. AND WE'RE STILL DOING IT, AROUND THE WORLD.

At least we agree about the nature of our enemy. Indeed there has been a class war raging in America for the past half century- and the rich have been winning nearly every skirmish.

It's high time we stopped allowing them to keep gorging at the trough while so many of our citizens literally go hungry and homeless, because of the very actions they perpetrated.

One final thought; our government entities have absolved themselves of personal accountability for the consequences of their actions against our citizens and in fact have conferred upon themselves the ability to violate our Civil Rights with impunity. If that's not the definition of authoritarianism, pray tell us what more it would take?!
 
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londonfog

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And if a gang of Invaders came to murder your families, steal your lands and erase all trace of your existence from history to cover up their crimes, how would YOU feel about them?! Who cares if the British gave Zionist forces 'permission' under the Balfour Declaration, it wasn't their fucking land to give away. Who cares if it's been over half a century, the scars and the children of that new Holocaust are still there, proof that Israel has not learned the lessons of history.

Your perspective is shallow, your views shortsighted, your vision only of your own gain. You're a sick and twisted caricature of a human being, your only friends being those you've managed to con into supporting you here.

You don't even grow anymore. You have no cause here, you're just stuck in old habits, a bitter shell of a man with nothing left to offer anyone but hatred.
Do you get this upset of the plights of Africans or Indians ?
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
I'm not a cynic, I'm a realist.

The first step in fixing our problems is an honest admission and assessment of them- a process we as a nation have not really yet even begun.

The 1960s were full of endless wars too, from the Middle East to Vietnam. At home, the Civil Rights Movement was anything but nonviolent, thanks to the white supremacists. Were these the hallmarks of 'The Greatest Nation On Earth'?!

I've seen war at a young age, and you have my intentions exactly backwards; I'm agitating to PREVENT more endless wars for profit, not start them.

I don't advocate violence against the plutocrats- unless they leave We the People no other choice it worse, use violence against us. It's happened before, in this country, many times.

I'd much rather use the machinery of Democracy, but that's been badly subverted and twisted to service the end of the rich rather than the rest of us. Yet struggle we must, if we are to build a more perfect nation for the enjoyment of our progeny.

Have a good look around, Ace- our standard of living has been falling relative to our country's productivity since the 1970s, and has only accelerated more recently. Maybe you live a sheltered life but where I'm at, I regularly talk to people who work full time jobs, yet still need food stamps and other government assistance to make ends meet. Don't tell me they don't deserve better or that our nation can't provide it.

We are about to lose that title of 'World's biggest GDP' to China- and if I were you, I wouldn't try to defend America's morality in the world with a straight face. We had that responsibility and we should it, preferring to pursue endless wars of conquest and corporate greed, violating every principle of moral conduct along the way. We've overturned democratically elected governments, attacked countries over fabricated stories of wrongdoing, murdered for profit.

At least we agree about the nature of our enemy. Indeed there has been a class war raging in America for the past half century- and the rich have been winning nearly every skirmish.

It's high time we stopped allowing them to keep gorging at the trough while so many of our citizens literally go hungry and homeless, because of the very actions they perpetrated.

One final thought; our government entities have absolved themselves of personal accountability for the consequences of their actions against our citizens and in fact have conferred upon themselves the ability to violate our Civil Rights with impunity. If that's not the definition of authoritarianism, pray tell us what more it would take?!
TLDR all
what war you saw and what branch of service.
 

MarWan

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ya mean, the same people who elected a terrorist organization that calls for the complete extermination of all jews on earth?

jesusfuck you are lost.
You've not heard about "Irgun, Lehi, and Haganah" terrorist groups?

"IRGUN BOMB KILLS 11 ARABS, 2 BRITONS; Missile Thrown From a Taxi in Jerusalem -- Rift in the Jewish Agency Growing IRGUN BOMB KILLS 11 ARABS, 2 BRITONS

By SAM POPE BREWERSpecial to THE NEW YORK TIMES. ();
December 30, 1947,
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[ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]

JERUSALEM, Dec. 29 -- A bomb thrown by the Jewish terrorist organization Irgun Zvai Leumi from a speeding taxi today killed eleven Arabs and two British policemen and wounded at least thirty-two Arabs by the Jerusalem Damascus Gate, the same place where a similar bombing took place sixteen days ago."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E00EED71F3AE233A25753C3A9649D946693D6CF&legacy=true
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Haganah

Among the more famous attacks include

-July 26, 1946 The bombing of the King David Hotel, killing 91 people.

-July 25 1947 The kidnapping and brutal murder of 2 British Sergeants.

-April 1948 Deir Yassin Massacre in which 107-120 Palestinian Villagers were killed.

As Begin was transformed from a terrorist leader to a ‘legitimate’ politician and leader, so was the the Irgun legitimized and absorbed into the Haganah and the IDF. The same principles and practices of violence against civilians (like the Gaza Massacre) and foreign nationals (such as Emily Henochowicz or the brave activists slain on the Freedom Flotilla) continue.
 

Fogdog

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People have been saying that same shit my entire life - since the 60s. Every generation comes along thinking they have it all worked out, only to grow old and watch the next generation treat them like they are idiots. You are a cynic. You are acting spoiled. You are acting like a foolish young man eager to go to war, with absolutely no idea what he's in for if he goes. 'Throwing off the yoke' with violence will guarantee death and destruction with absolutely no guarantee of recovery. You friends and family will suffer and die. Your standard of living will go down, and likely never recover. You'll have to live under authoritarian rule you couldn't even imagine - perhaps for the rest of your life. We still have the strongest GDP in the world, along with its moral responsibility. If we have a civil war, we won't be able to help the world when the inevitable dictator starts gassing and commuting genocides. There are other ways to fix America. You are close to the truth when you say that the rich are the enemy. The truth is that economic disparity is corrosive to democracy, and it needs to be fixed.
LOL

By now you've seen his reply. Personally, I've given up on him but appreciate anybody who has the energy to talk to him as if he were listening.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Translation; 'I've got nothing'

Citation or you lose (even more) credibility.
Derp.

Naked smear attempt since you pulled most of those out of your cavernous ass.

Pro tip; lying does not help your case.
It was a good week for Trump, all told.

Pro tip: directly quoting you or citing references from multiple credible sources that confirm the facts isn't lying. Because this is very long, I posted the headlines in big bold font to help you with your reading disability

Brazile: I found no evidence Democratic primary was rigged
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/donna-brazile-primary-rigged/index.html
Brazile: I found 'no evidence' Democratic primary was rigged
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/05/donna-brazile-rigged-democrats-clinton-sanders-244566
Brazile says she found ‘no evidence’ that Democratic primaries were rigged for Clinton
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/11/05/brazile-says-she-found-no-evidence-that-democratic-primaries-were-rigged-for-clinton/?utm_term=.4ae6f836c994

Clinton Campaign Staffers Accuse Brazile Of Buying Into ‘Russian Propaganda’

Officials “don’t recognize the campaign Brazile portrays,” says open letter.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/open-letter-attack-onbrazile_us_59fe9cd1e4b0c9652fffc493?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
On Saturday night, after The Washington Post reported on some of Brazile's allegations and characterizations, more than 100 Clinton staffers signed an open letter disputing the former party chair's account.

OPEN LETTER FROM HILLARY FOR AMERICA 2016 TEAM

We were shocked to learn the news that Donna Brazile actively considered overturning the will of the Democratic voters by attempting to replace Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine as the Democratic Presidential and Vice Presidential nominees. It is particularly troubling and puzzling that she would seemingly buy into false Russian-fueled propaganda, spread by both the Russians and our opponent, about our candidate’s health.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/open-letter-attack-onbrazile_us_59fe9cd1e4b0c9652fffc493?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

we are pretty tired of people who were not part of our campaign telling the world what it was like to be on the inside of our campaign and how we felt about it. We loved our candidate and each other and it remains our honor to have been part of the effort to make Hillary Clinton the 45th President of the United States.

All Democrats should be doing everything they can — canvassing, phone banking, etc. — to help our candidates for Governor of Virginia and New Jersey and the other races around the country next Tuesday.

 
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