Need advice from the perpetual guys

coreywebster · Jun 4, 2016

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO said:
I am looking for input from people that have my similar setup. I have a 4' x 8'with 2 x 1k hoods and a 4 x 4 veg area with a 400w going. I want to pop a pack of beans in rotation to crop every 5-6 weeks utilizing 1 side of the flower tent at a time and staggering harvests. how often should I be poppin beans?

I grow perpetual with same size tent (3x600s though) and same veg tent too. Personally I would go with what I find good. Mother plant in your veg and clone, clones are mature that way and I think they grow quicker that way too.
You don't have to keep a mother like that though, lately I have just taken x amount of seeds, vegged for as long as needed, cloned from those and then flowered the mothers, vegging the clones as soon as they root. Personally I think it saves time. Rinse and repeat the process, taking clones from each before going into flower. Just be sure to take plenty of clones to avoid the problem of having nothing to veg if your clones go wrong. Genrally I take treble what I need, root them, veg the ones I want and leave the others to sit under little light and they usually sit there kind of in stasis until I need them. I do give a lot away and kill a few from time to time.
I veg for 3-4 weeks, put 4-6 in to flower, add same 3 weeks later and the same again which uses most of my space. I have to say I don't use all my space because I use cool tubes and find the footprint crap so i probably use 7foot X 3.5foot at best. I'm not to fussy about massive yield and i like to remain in lowish numbers been I'm not legal. With 2 X 1000w you can fill that place to the corners and produce a massive amount of nice herb every 3-4 weeks. I also have to admit my timing is not always perfect. They are harvested when they tell me they are ready.
Sorry i know your question was about seeds but personally i hate all that waiting with seeds, nothing to stop you doing 12/12 from seed i suppose but for me those numbers would be out of the question.

coreywebster · Jun 4, 2016

Indefinately said:
Hey Qball,

I won't go back and forth with you buddy.

Unless you do not have a choice, it is not recommended to take cuttings from flowering plants!

it's definitely not an "advanced technique", as the cloning process is identical.
It just takes longer to have your flowering clone revert back to vegetative state in full.
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Its a bloody horrible experience and can take months in some cases. I once HAD to do it because the blue cheese clones at the time got mixed up with some really crap AK48 and i hate not knowing for sure what is what. You end up with some really alien looking plants which are much more likely to be naughty

BobCajun · Jun 4, 2016

I find if you try to clone fairly high up buds at week 6 or beyond, some won't reveg before the buds turn brown and die. Most will but a few won't make it or will take so long that they're hopelessly behind the others. I also read a thing that said if you reveg plants that were already close to ripe that many of them will reverse sex. I don't know if that's possible with femmed seeds but normal ones maybe. That might be why some people got herms when they didn't know why. Here's the article called All About Hemp. Lots of good info in it. Here's the part about sex reversal. It may not apply to cuttings since it's talking about rejuvenation of an existing plant. It hasn't happened to me with cuttings yet but I do use fem seeds.

"Hemp can be rejuvenated repeatedly with such treatment, thus living
several times longer than usual. Even without continuous-light rejuvenation, female hemp may live several months longer after flowering if the plant remains unpollinated. If female plants become senile between rejuvenations, then sex-reversals usually occur, especially under the influence of short-day
photoperiods after the continuous-light treatment. In such a case, about 90% of the females reverse to male or hermaphroditic intergrades"

b4ds33d · Jun 4, 2016

as a perpetual grower, say you have cut too many clones and don't have enough room in your flower area for all of them. is there any way to say put some in a "stasis" where they no longer grow? then when your flower area has cleared you can them flower those statis plants so they don't go to waste? i know it would be better to plan accordingly and don't have too many plants on deck, but this is more a "good to know" sort of question.

BobCajun · Jun 4, 2016

b4ds33d said:
as a perpetual grower, say you have cut too many clones and don't have enough room in your flower area for all of them. is there any way to say put some in a "stasis" where they no longer grow? then when your flower area has cleared you can them flower those statis plants so they don't go to waste? i know it would be better to plan accordingly and don't have too many plants on deck, but this is more a "good to know" sort of question.

Just keep pruning them back. No other way really.

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO · Jun 4, 2016

coreywebster said:
I grow perpetual with same size tent (3x600s though) and same veg tent too. Personally I would go with what I find good. Mother plant in your veg and clone, clones are mature that way and I think they grow quicker that way too.
You don't have to keep a mother like that though, lately I have just taken x amount of seeds, vegged for as long as needed, cloned from those and then flowered the mothers, vegging the clones as soon as they root. Personally I think it saves time. Rinse and repeat the process, taking clones from each before going into flower. Just be sure to take plenty of clones to avoid the problem of having nothing to veg if your clones go wrong. Genrally I take treble what I need, root them, veg the ones I want and leave the others to sit under little light and they usually sit there kind of in stasis until I need them. I do give a lot away and kill a few from time to time.
I veg for 3-4 weeks, put 4-6 in to flower, add same 3 weeks later and the same again which uses most of my space. I have to say I don't use all my space because I use cool tubes and find the footprint crap so i probably use 7foot X 3.5foot at best. I'm not to fussy about massive yield and i like to remain in lowish numbers been I'm not legal. With 2 X 1000w you can fill that place to the corners and produce a massive amount of nice herb every 3-4 weeks. I also have to admit my timing is not always perfect. They are harvested when they tell me they are ready.
Sorry i know your question was about seeds but personally i hate all that waiting with seeds, nothing to stop you doing 12/12 from seed i suppose but for me those numbers would be out of the question.

Outstanding input! Sounds like Ill be doing this, Im just soooooo eager to try all the genetics Ive been saving up.

Indefinately · Jun 4, 2016

coreywebster said:
Its a bloody horrible experience and can take months in some cases. I once HAD to do it because the blue cheese clones at the time got mixed up with some really crap AK48 and i hate not knowing for sure what is what. You end up with some really alien looking plants which are much more likely to be naughty

Hey Corey,

I know what you mean, I had to take cuttings from a flowering plant once as a whole batch of cuttings that I had taken failed ( air pump failed on bubble cloner) and I wanted to preserve that gene.

If you get stuck, it can be done.
Just not recommend to be part of your standard "process".

Interesting to watch the plant go thru the change back to veg. It goes thru some funny looking stages.
Lol

GroErr · Jun 5, 2016

Indefinately said:
Hey Corey,

I know what you mean, I had to take cuttings from a flowering plant once as a whole batch of cuttings that I had taken failed ( air pump failed on bubble cloner) and I wanted to preserve that gene.

If you get stuck, it can be done.
Just not recommend to be part of your standard "process".

Interesting to watch the plant go thru the change back to veg. It goes thru some funny looking stages.
Lol

I've done this with many strains to try it before I needed it but now only when I'm stuck like had a pump go on me, a power failure for a couple of days. I don't keep mothers so clone just before flowering and take 3 or more of each strain/pheno. But if shit happens it's a good way to save a pheno. Have never had any issues like hermies though, it just takes longer.

Other than saving a cut you want to keep it takes longer for clones to root and re-veg so imo it's not worthwhile to do it other than the reasons mentioned. Otherwise once they re-veg they're fine, I just don't typically flower them out, I re-veg them and once they're back to veg, clone again and flower those.

Joegrowsalot · Jun 5, 2016

iPACKEDthisBOWL4TWO said:
I am looking for input from people that have my similar setup. I have a 4' x 8'with 2 x 1k hoods and a 4 x 4 veg area with a 400w going. I want to pop a pack of beans in rotation to crop every 5-6 weeks utilizing 1 side of the flower tent at a time and staggering harvests. how often should I be poppin beans?

I just started same deal and I think I only piped em once I reveged my permafrost witch is doing nicly and y seeds filled out nicely I cloned all of them for presevations sake I plan on revegating the best two but till then I'm not busting no more beans it will be cloneand reveg for me

loftygoals · Jun 6, 2016

MeJuana said:
Running split flower rooms is pretty much impossible if you have a day job. I understand why, because you only have so many amps available to the room but a ton of space. I have that problem too. But just to warn you it can be demanding you need even canopy tops for sure.

Don't quite agree with that. I have a day job and am running a split flower room; it just takes a little planning. I'm usually home by 7pm and have the lighting change over at 9pm. That gives me 2 hours before the flip and then another 2 hours before I'm in bed. The alternative would be a 5am flip so I could get one half done in the evening and the other room done in the morning before work (but I'm not a morning person!).

b4ds33d · Jun 6, 2016

loftygoals said:
Don't quite agree with that. I have a day job and am running a split flower room; it just takes a little planning. I'm usually home by 7pm and have the lighting change over at 9pm. That gives me 2 hours before the flip and then another 2 hours before I'm in bed. The alternative would be a 5am flip so I could get one half done in the evening and the other room done in the morning before work (but I'm not a morning person!).

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