Need some organic advice on this struggling clone.

Jcue81

Jcue81

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Hey All!

On Dec 9th I received a cut of Sour Diesel. I’m not sure if it was rockwool or something else, first time dealing with a clone.. Around that time a friend convinced me to stop using RO water and to switch to dechlorinated tap water. I had just finished my first no-till run and it came out OK.
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I should add I never once PH‘d my waterings on this run.

So I pot up the diesel in a bag of high quality light potting mix and water with tap water. A week later it looks like this.
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Seemed like a lockout since the media was fresh. Bought a PH pen and realized the huge difference between tap and RO. Tap was 8.4, RO was 6.5. So I switch back to RO water at this point and it very slowly comes back to better health.
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So last Friday I decided to transplant to my 2x4’ bed and veg a few more weeks, grab some cuts and flip to flower after they root.

Since doing so it looks like she is struggling again and I’m not sure what the issue is. The canoeing is especially confusing since my high temps are 74-75 degrees, RH 60-65%, PPFD of 450-470. Watering every other day. 0B413206-EA0F-4BE9-B7B3-BE330F0E9C4A.jpeg
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I’m note sure what to do at this point. Can anyone help me out please?

jesse
 
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CrunchBerries

CrunchBerries

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Jcue81 said:
Hey All!

On Dec 9th I received a cut of Sour Diesel. I’m not sure if it was rockwool or something else, first time dealing with a clone.. Around that time a friend convinced me to stop using RO water and to switch to dechlorinated tap water. I had just finished my first no-till run and it came out OK.
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I should add I never once PH‘d my waterings on this run.

So I pot up the diesel in a bag of high quality light potting mix and water with tap water. A week later it looks like this.
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Seemed like a lockout since the media was fresh. Bought a PH pen and realized the huge difference between tap and RO. Tap was 8.4, RO was 6.5. So I switch back to RO water at this point and it very slowly comes back to better health.
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So last Friday I decided to transplant to my 2x4’ bed and veg a few more weeks, grab some cuts and flip to flower after they root.

Since doing so it looks like she is struggling again and I’m not sure what the issue is. The canoeing is especially confusing since my high temps are 74-75 degrees, RH 60-65%, PPFD of 450-470. Watering every other day. View attachment 5071438
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I’m note sure what to do at this point. Can anyone help me out please?

jesse
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What was the potting mix you used?
 
Killaki

Killaki

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Jcue81 said:
Hey All!

On Dec 9th I received a cut of Sour Diesel. I’m not sure if it was rockwool or something else, first time dealing with a clone.. Around that time a friend convinced me to stop using RO water and to switch to dechlorinated tap water. I had just finished my first no-till run and it came out OK.
View attachment 5071431

I should add I never once PH‘d my waterings on this run.

So I pot up the diesel in a bag of high quality light potting mix and water with tap water. A week later it looks like this.
View attachment 5071435

Seemed like a lockout since the media was fresh. Bought a PH pen and realized the huge difference between tap and RO. Tap was 8.4, RO was 6.5. So I switch back to RO water at this point and it very slowly comes back to better health.
View attachment 5071436

So last Friday I decided to transplant to my 2x4’ bed and veg a few more weeks, grab some cuts and flip to flower after they root.

Since doing so it looks like she is struggling again and I’m not sure what the issue is. The canoeing is especially confusing since my high temps are 74-75 degrees, RH 60-65%, PPFD of 450-470. Watering every other day. View attachment 5071438
View attachment 5071440
I’m note sure what to do at this point. Can anyone help me out please?

jesse
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Very well written. Thank you for taking the time to lay it out, and good job troubleshooting and nursing that plant! I need to ask a couple questions to help clear things up for me.
What did the plant look like right before you cut it? Do you have pictures? Was it more healthy than it appeared in the picture posted before the cuts?
If the plant is in bad shape and on the verge of recovery, it would be a bad move to cut it.
I'd like to say I'm also a little surprised your plants are so dark green, and personally I'd try to dial back on the nitrogen. You look like you're on the upper limits before reaching nitrogen toxicity.
 
Jcue81

Jcue81

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Thanks for the replies guys. I received the rooted cut from a friend in the mail. I just looked back and realized I actually received the plant on November 30th and got some of the dates and details wrong. . Here it was the day I planted it. 4AA78A80-08A9-4F9E-97A8-5D185DCEBAC2.jpeg

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Dec 9th- panicked and transplanted to 1 gallon with 50% Mother Earth potting mix and 50% leftover homemade ccot mix from first run
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Dec 26th-
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Jan 14- Transplanted to 2x4
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Killaki

Killaki

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Jcue81 said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I received the rooted cut from a friend in the mail. I just looked back and realized I actually received the plant on November 30th and got some of the dates and details wrong. . Here it was the day I planted it. View attachment 5071471

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Dec 9th- panicked and transplanted to 1 gallon with 50% Mother Earth potting mix and 50% leftover homemade ccot mix from first run
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Dec 26th-
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Jan 14- Transplanted to 2x4
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Wow you are my favorite! Pictures and dates really help! So here's my thoughts;
The clone was sad and you did troubleshooting which helped it rebound, bravo. Where I wouldn't have done what you did is all that training while it was recovering. I notice between Dec 26th and Jan 1st you topped the clone, and sometime after that you started lst.
All of this training is stressful and when the plant has been stressed out and struggling it's not the best time to top or LST. The clone would be doing better if you would have waited a little more before training.
The clone can only rebound so much all at once, and it's only rebounding when it's getting better, not worse. I'd back off and let her do her thing. To put it another way, I can see she's overcome a bit, too much moisture, pH problems, stunted growth but to top that off she's had to overcome having her head cut off and bent over. That's too many things for us as humans to try and overcome all at once, and plants aren't all that different.
There's my 2¢. Hope it helps.
 
Jcue81

Jcue81

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McShnutz said:
Your pH is high in the media
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Thank you! You’re referring to the bed and this photo, right? What would you recommend? Would lowering my water’s PH down help longterm or should I find a sulfur product to amend into the soil? Can PH issues cause the canoeing leaves?
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Killaki said:
Wow you are my favorite! Pictures and dates really help! So here's my thoughts;
The clone was sad and you did troubleshooting which helped it rebound, bravo. Where I wouldn't have done what you did is all that training while it was recovering. I notice between Dec 26th and Jan 1st you topped the clone, and sometime after that you started lst.
All of this training is stressful and when the plant has been stressed out and struggling it's not the best time to top or LST. The clone would be doing better if you would have waited a little more before training.
The clone can only rebound so much all at once, and it's only rebounding when it's getting better, not worse. I'd back off and let her do her thing. To put it another way, I can see she's overcome a bit, too much moisture, pH problems, stunted growth but to top that off she's had to overcome having her head cut off and bent over. That's too many things for us as humans to try and overcome all at once, and plants aren't all that different.
There's my 2¢. Hope it helps.
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Great advice thank you!
 
McShnutz

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Jcue81 said:
Thank you! You’re referring to the bed and this photo, right? What would you recommend? Would lowering my water’s PH down help longterm or should I find a sulfur product to amend into the soil? Can PH issues cause the canoeing leaves?
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Great advice thank you!
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I use LAB or EM1 to lower pH, otherwise citric acid works too. Don't use phosphoric acid except if your using rockwool. A good Ole fashion bacterial dominant AACT does wonders to adjust pH. Temporarily of course, but keep an eye on the ingoing pH. Keep it above 6 and below 7 and your golden
 
McShnutz

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Oh, and the canoe shape of the leafs...
Yes that can mean a magnesium def but pH dictates what metabolic process the plant can achieve. Fix your pH and the Def goes away. Unless of course there's another underlying issue, but judging on how your other plants look, I'd say that's not the issue.

Also it was mentioned about stress, this plays a huge role in the visual appearance of the leafs and the plants vigor.
 
PadawanWarrior

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Jcue81 said:
Thank you! You’re referring to the bed and this photo, right? What would you recommend? Would lowering my water’s PH down help longterm or should I find a sulfur product to amend into the soil? Can PH issues cause the canoeing leaves?
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Great advice thank you!
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My guess is there's a lot of Ca in your tap water. Do you know the ppm? Too much Ca can lock out K and that's what it looks like what's going on.

I'd use a tiny bit of citric acid to lower the water pH a bit. It will also help kinda clear out some of the extra Ca.
 
Jcue81

Jcue81

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PadawanWarrior said:
My guess is there's a lot of Ca in your tap water. Do you know the ppm? Too much Ca can lock out K and that's what it looks like what's going on.

I'd use a tiny bit of citric acid to lower the water pH a bit. It will also help kinda clear out some of the extra Ca.
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Thanks!! i use RO so not much there. My tap is like 160 with half being Chloride and Sodium. I did topdress with worm castings and a bit of crab meal between runs. Maybe I overdid Ca.

so my plan is to stop fucking with her training-wise, ph down a touch, less frequent waterings. Appreciate all the replies!
 
PadawanWarrior

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Jcue81 said:
Thanks!! i use RO so not much there. My tap is like 160 with half being Chloride and Sodium. I did topdress with worm castings and a bit of crab meal between runs. Maybe I overdid Ca.

so my plan is to stop fucking with her training-wise, ph down a touch, less frequent waterings. Appreciate all the replies!
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Crab meal is high in Ca.
 
Jcue81

Jcue81

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McShnutz said:
I use LAB or EM1 to lower pH, otherwise citric acid works too. Don't use phosphoric acid except if your using rockwool. A good Ole fashion bacterial dominant AACT does wonders to adjust pH. Temporarily of course, but keep an eye on the ingoing pH. Keep it above 6 and below 7 and your golden
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thanks again for your thoughts. I have some EM1 arriving tomorrow. Can I ask how you suggest I use it? Really appreciate it!
 
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