Hi I'm a newbie looking for some tips, I'm starting my first grow soon using a 600w hps in a 120x120x200 grow room, I've bought sensi A+B grow and A+B bloom and ph up and down and testers I think I mainly want/need to know is there any other nutes I would need, what is a good ph level how much would I yield I wanna grow 2-3 plants (any recommendations on how many) and was planning on growing big bud.
Need some strong experienced advice
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SouthCross
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Use the basic nutes you choose before adding additional stuff. After a few successful grows, then experiment with different nutes. By then you should have an eye for what the plants need.
600watt can grow six medium plants. 2-3 plants are good starting point. Increase the amount of plants as your green thumb evolves.
Yield per plant....again depending on skill. Anywhere in the range of 4-8 ounces off one plant. That's not set in stone. You might get 15 grams a plant.
600watt can grow six medium plants. 2-3 plants are good starting point. Increase the amount of plants as your green thumb evolves.
Yield per plant....again depending on skill. Anywhere in the range of 4-8 ounces off one plant. That's not set in stone. You might get 15 grams a plant.
ok to start youre going to need to elaborate on 120x120x200, are these measurements in mm? cm? in? ft?
Personally i use Dyna-grow nutes- Pro-tek for suppliments, foliage pro for veg, bloom for bloom (duh), cal-mg as needed, and K-L-N formula for starting roots.
PH level will depend on your growing medium, are you using soil or a hydro method to grow?
cant recommend an amount of plants until you elaborate on room measurements.
No one will be able to tell you how much you will yeild, there are far too many variables involved, you will simply have to get some grows under your belt to see your results and make changes based on your experiences.
GroErr
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That's all the nutes you'll need but you don't mention what medium you'll be using, genetics and a few other variables so difficult to say what you'd get.
This is my formula and results I get below using exactly what you have. For the most part I follow this feeding schedule below unless the odd pheno needs more or less.
fabric pots
50% triple mix soil (peat, top soil, compost, you can buy this off the shelf)
50% pro-mix
Veg every other watering:
Environment: 75-78F, 60-70% RH
300 ppm up to ~4-5 nodes
400 ppm until ready to flip
Flower:
Environment: 78-82F/50-55% RH
450 ppm every other watering, extra water-only every 3rd feeding
Results (6 strains in this run I just pulled):
Somewhere between 1.5-2 lbs. depending on genetics in a 3.5' x 8' grow area
This is my formula and results I get below using exactly what you have. For the most part I follow this feeding schedule below unless the odd pheno needs more or less.
fabric pots
50% triple mix soil (peat, top soil, compost, you can buy this off the shelf)
50% pro-mix
Veg every other watering:
Environment: 75-78F, 60-70% RH
300 ppm up to ~4-5 nodes
400 ppm until ready to flip
Flower:
Environment: 78-82F/50-55% RH
450 ppm every other watering, extra water-only every 3rd feeding
Results (6 strains in this run I just pulled):
Somewhere between 1.5-2 lbs. depending on genetics in a 3.5' x 8' grow area
Lachrymology
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Be sure to add at least 30% perlite to the Coco and supplement with CalMag unless you're using tap water very high in those. PH for Coco should be between 5.7-6.5
Dynamo626
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Plant count has absolutly nothing to do with yeald. Its all abought canopy area and light. 1 plant will yeald the same as 10 plants. The difference is 1 plant needs veged much longer to fill the area than 10 plants do. As for nutes the grow boss on youtube has a 6 part vid on nute mixing and he is using sensi a and b in the vids.
OK Jac. now that we know your grow space is a 4x4 tent and that your using fabric pots with coco (which is a good combo i used this for many years) we can help you out. In a 4x4 area with the size pots your using you could do up to 8 plants comfortably (there will be of course some people who will say thats too many or who will tell you could fit 40 plants in there but for now just trust me and think of 8 as your max), since you are a new grower i would recommend starting with just 2-4, it will be much easier for you to maintain fewer plants in your beginning stages. As Lachrymology mentioned it is important to mix the coco with perlite at a minimum of 30% perlite to 70% coco, i actually prefer a straight 50/50 mix of the two, he is very close but slightly off with the PH though, coco will work best with a PH of 5.5-6.2, i usually set mine at 5.6 when i mix a nute batch as it will raise slightly over a period of time (the period of time will depend on your setup, i use EnF buckets with a 30gal RO res on a chiller so mine usually takes about 2 weeks to fluctuate that much) , which works because it allows the plants access too all the various nutrients it needs as some nutrients are better taken up at differnt ph levels. Bareback also has good advice in that you should get a MH bulb for veg and use the HPS during flower (incase you couldnt figure this out- he meant "HPS" when he said "hose" 
) or as i would suggest start looking into LED lighting, it will cost a fair bit in the startup but the energy savings, cooler temps in your tent, and the versatility of setup will all be worth it i promise! One thing you did not mention is the style of grow you intend to do, will you just be having the pots sit on the floor? are you going to use a flood table? I will tell you that even for a beginner flood and drain setups are quite easy to setup and maintain. PM me if you want some advice on an easy DIY flood and drain setup, you could also just search the forums as theres many threads that go into that but i dont mind PMs 
Edit: Also i haven't seen you mention anything about your ventilation, have you purchased a carbon filter and fan yet? and what kind of hood came with your light? if your going to stick with MH/HPS instead of LED then you should definitely get a cooltube hood, this will allow for the best heat extraction of your light, or atleast the best heat extraction of a normal light hood, there are better cooled hoods out there but that gets into water cooling and things you dont need to worry about until youve gotten down the basics of growing.
) or as i would suggest start looking into LED lighting, it will cost a fair bit in the startup but the energy savings, cooler temps in your tent, and the versatility of setup will all be worth it i promise! One thing you did not mention is the style of grow you intend to do, will you just be having the pots sit on the floor? are you going to use a flood table? I will tell you that even for a beginner flood and drain setups are quite easy to setup and maintain. PM me if you want some advice on an easy DIY flood and drain setup, you could also just search the forums as theres many threads that go into that but i dont mind PMs Edit: Also i haven't seen you mention anything about your ventilation, have you purchased a carbon filter and fan yet? and what kind of hood came with your light? if your going to stick with MH/HPS instead of LED then you should definitely get a cooltube hood, this will allow for the best heat extraction of your light, or atleast the best heat extraction of a normal light hood, there are better cooled hoods out there but that gets into water cooling and things you dont need to worry about until youve gotten down the basics of growing.
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Dynamo626
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Perfect advice i would change only that i would do 9 instead of 8 3 rows of 3 make a perfect square 2 rows of 4 in my experience requires more training than 3 rows of 3. Also instead of led go 315 cmh. One hid is much like the next one cmh is like the next. Leds are much different and they know it! If you go led dont buy online. Watch a few grow led buyers guides it will scare you lol. From the hydro store they are an arm and a legOK Jac. now that we know your grow space is a 4x4 tent and that your using fabric pots with coco (which is a good combo i used this for many years) we can help you out. In a 4x4 area with the size pots your using you could do up to 8 plants comfortably (there will be of course some people who will say thats too many or who will tell you could fit 40 plants in there but for now just trust me and think of 8 as your max), since you are a new grower i would recommend starting with just 2-4, it will be much easier for you to maintain fewer plants in your beginning stages. As Lachrymology mentioned it is important to mix the coco with perlite at a minimum of 30% perlite to 70% coco, i actually prefer a straight 50/50 mix of the two, he is very close but slightly off with the PH though, coco will work best with a PH of 5.5-6.2, i usually set mine at 5.6 when i mix a nute batch as it will raise slightly over a period of time (the period of time will depend on your setup, i use EnF buckets with a 30gal RO res on a chiller so mine usually takes about 2 weeks to fluctuate that much) , which works because it allows the plants access too all the various nutrients it needs as some nutrients are better taken up at differnt ph levels. Bareback also has good advice in that you should get a MH bulb for veg and use the HPS during flower (incase you couldnt figure this out- he meant "HPS" when he said "hose"
Edit: Also i haven't seen you mention anything about your ventilation, have you purchased a carbon filter and fan yet? and what kind of hood came with your light? if your going to stick with MH/HPS instead of LED then you should definitely get a cooltube hood, this will allow for the best heat extraction of your light, or atleast the best heat extraction of a normal light hood, there are better cooled hoods out there but that gets into water cooling and things you dont need to worry about until youve gotten down the basics of growing.
cmh are just as efficient on power. Much much cooler than hid with a beter light spectrium than anything but cobsI've got a carbon filter and all ventilation sorted, I'm confused what you mean about different lights I have a 600w super hps (red light) and a 600w duel spectrum I was going to use just the duel spectrum or what can you recommend? And a drain setup sounds useful! I have no idea how to pm..? Thanks a lot for all your advice and prompt replies, covered a lot and I'm starting to feel a lot more confident for sure 
Dynamo626
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In the future dont buy duel. Marketing ploy for the inexperienced. I run a hydro store we do have them but i steer people away. For the price you can get a mh and hps. Veg with mh flower with hps you will see beter results. If you wana get all fancy get a 10k lamp for the last 2 weeks of flower for added oil production
+rep for Dynamo! A CMH is ceramic metal halide, the ceramic part is what makes it run cooler than a typical MH, and they're great for veg, Your HPS is red spectrum which you want in flower, MH or CMH is blue spectrum which you want in veg, Using the HPS during veg is going to cause excessive stretching you dont want, you could also use your dual spectrum in flower!. As far as Dynamo's advice against buying online, i would agree that you need to be extra careful and particular when you buy online to ensure you're getting a quality product and not a knock-off, however that is not to say that you cant buy the quality ones online as well and absolutely no offense to dynamo but as a hydro shop owner its in his nature to tell you to buy in store, we all know that comes with a slight mark-up though as does anything store bought, its not that its bad to buy in store- if i had a local hydro shop id love to support them, but even then when i can get certain things online at a better price then i will I think your off to a great start Jac and i will PM you about the flood table.
I think your off to a great start Jac and i will PM you about the flood table.
Dynamo626
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Dont own just manage. I always have the costomers best intrest in mind and on more than one ocasion pointed a person to a product and let them order online to the store. As for cmh. 4K veg only 3100 full cycle lamp 3r-red flower only. Most kits come with the 3100. Some led companies are good but stay away from amazon. If it sounds to good to be true. It is. Good led companies are. Spectrium king, lumagrow, california lightworks,
Bml fluience and platnum. Stay away from mars hydro!
Bml fluience and platnum. Stay away from mars hydro!
dirtWeevil
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the AN sensi line doesn't need meters or ph up and down, just so you know, just step up the strength from 1-4ml per litre depending on the size of plant. For coco make sure you have coco specific nutes. My main advice would be to also run a DWC bubble bucket and see how you like that method, it's easy as hell with the AN stuff
Ah right on manager man
Again i meant no offense and was not implying that you don't have customers interest in mind, simply that as someone who works at a hydro store you're more inclined to suggest others shop there as well, that's just business sense, and i will definitely admit you can get better info about products when you go into a shop rather than whats on amazon, however i have had hydro shops try to feed me completely false info before too.. Nothings wrong with amazon, i love amazon, prime shipping gets things to my door in 2 days or less, and since i have no local hydro shop to go to where i am now, that cant be beat, again it comes down to doing your research and knowing exactly what your buying before purchasing, i would never take the description on amazon as a sole deciding factor, but i will absolutely shop on amazon when they sell the things i need for much cheaper than anywhere else.. As the saying goes 'you get what you pay for' so naturally if you buy cheap LEDs, regardless if its on amazon or anywhere else, they're going to be junk, you can buy the really good brands of LEDs on amazon too that are the same as in hydro shops and usually 5-10% cheaper, amazon is a massive corp that can afford to buy things in such bulk that they can then sell them for cheaper than other places, its nothing against hydro shops, just the reality of how things are..
Dynamo626
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Yep some hydro store guys know nothing. Gives us a bad rap lol. Nothing agenst amazon i shop there to. It isnt amazon its the led marketing and half truths.Ah right on manager man