NeerGreen: New Era grow #1

got some good info on nutes reading this cannabineer. hated to read about alice not living up to the w.w. legend, and about halle being somewhat of a letdown in the high dept.


thx for sharing.

cannabineer said:

Alice (der Hindenbud) grew twelve main stems with stringier, more sativa-esque colas that had a rather unpleasant smell, sometimes plasticky, like freshly-cut schedule 40 ABS pipe, sometimes like those lemon-lime urinal cakes when they're almost new. cn

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my last Jock Horror auto had a smell like that. the bud is gorgeous and smokes well but smells and tastes like lemon urinal cake

the other phenos from the same batch smelled nothing like it

wow canna I had no idea you had such a wealth of knowledge stored in that head of yours.. I started to read thru this most interesting thread and now im stuck..
cheers to you and I hope to see some of your knowledge put to use..

Hey there,have you ever thought about trying coco? I've been using it for many years now and have found it to be very reliable. I buy bags of a coco/perlite mix. Hippy hydro as some call it. It offers the fast growth associated with hydro, but with the forgiving nature of a soil medium. I like it because it is inert so I know what is going in without having to guess what and how much is already there. Anyways,nice reading your journal. Your masterful command of the English language and droll sense of humor are great Good luck with any future projects you might have.

Here is Halle, my dear deceased Raspberry Cough, on Feb 21st. Time in flower: 62 days, just shy of 9 weeks.
On that day, I elected to cut one of her four main branches and begin the mighty task of trimming. I decided to cut a branch a day, so that I could trim only freshly cut branches. I have found it much easier to get a good job done before wilt sets in.


The first three pics are the last of Halle entire. Even as her fan leaves yellowed with appetite, her crowns were developing beautiful bronzy accents that show a bit of purple in the genetics. I selected that very stick-outy branch, unlimbered the Pruning-shears of Ultimate Truth, and squeezed, feeling vaguely murderous.

So here's Halle after her amputation, and here is the untrimmed cola. The scale object is my favorite "cannot do without" trim tool, a pair of Dovo (Germany) No. 561 manicuring scissors. Hey ... I am using them to manicure! They are wonderful: small, light, agile, with a curved pointy tip for getting in there and following a sneaky sugar leaf's stem right up to the branch. I have found that i need just the right touch or amount of bite on the leaf's stem, because it is so very close to the floret's point of attachment. I have removed many a floret by being that tiny bit too aggressive.

First, the fan leaves came off, most by simply pulling on them and snapping them off. They went into one pile for eventual addition to the extraction pile.
Then I assailed the sugar leaves. These went into a bowl to await the full complement of their siblings, and they would be made into bubble hash.

And here is the partially-groomed main cola. The "Incra" ruler is twelve inches long.

Here is the groomed cola, along with a few side nugs from lower on the branch. The good sugar trim made a respectable pile. You are looking at two evenings of work. As a trimmer, I am not fast but I am thorough.
I wish i could remember the weights - I'd measured each step of the operation: cut branch, half-groomed, fully groomed, offcut material. Sadly, I entered it all into RIU as my scratch pad, and the data were lost. Iirc this branch was about 110 grams fresh, 90 or so minus fans, and 70something trimmed up.
It dried to yield about 23 grams of cleaned, dried bud.
That evening I got really quite toasted on that trimmer's perquisite and delight: scissor hash.

Finally, here is Alice, my "White Widow". I hesitate to use that term without the quotation marks because it's Nirvana, and who can really say about the lineage? But she grew happily along, showing no apparent distress about her tentmate's sudden disfigurement.
cn

I can't wait to see the hash produced. I'm really high so I can't recall if I read your extraction method. Always enjoy watching the dry ice youtube video's.

D3monic said:

I can't wait to see the hash produced. I'm really high so I can't recall if I read your extraction method. Always enjoy watching the dry ice youtube video's.

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Hi D3monic
You made me go check in a small panic, but no; the posts are still there. Previous page.
I have original Bubble Bags from 12 years ago. So it's regular wet bubble. It's more laborious than the dry ice method, but provides bubble of pristine cleanliness. it's my go-to smoke. Once the weather cools, i will probably Cuisinart my jars of the two girls. cn

<edit> Just what's in them to be sure! I hope to reuse the jars.

Alice looks delicious, it was interesting reading your detailed stories with some bits of humour in them.
Also, RIU rep system is weird, I've repped like 10 people and it still doesn't let me rep you again.

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It's coming time to put this thread to bed.
before the data whoopsie, I had a few photoessays about taking Alice down and grooming her.
I don't remember the particulars as well as I might, but I thought I'd show this again.
I have a bit of ocd going on when I trim ... the sugar leaves spiral fractally down to almost nothing ... where to stop?

I began with one of Alice's main branches ... there were seven large ones and five smaller but still substantial colas.

Step one was clearing the fans .... this was easy as they simply snapped off with a tug down.
I then began working my way up from the bottom, tackling some popcorn.

Here is a popcorn bud with the sugar leaves still on, and another that's been groomed almost naked.

A partially-groomed budlet, showing off an unusual groomer's tool ... tweezers.

I kept going until I was down to the tiny leaves I call cows' tongues. They are smaller than grains of rice or even sesame.
I was determined to get some fully-groomed bud ... zero leaves or stems.

Here is some White Widow tenderloin ... filet de fleurs.
Next to it, the removed sugar leaves. Those went on to yield some delightful bubble hash.

The amount of work that went into that sort of obsessive cleaning was something. It took me about three hours per gram of finished smoke.
Needless to say, i won't be doing that again! The goodness has been in a jar getting its beauty rest since march. Soon i will sample it.

I smoked some jar-cured Halle the other night. After a month's cure she was still somewhat harsh. She's much smoother now and qualifies as good smoke. Alice has a bit of a handicap ... she was pretty nasty-tasting. I'm slowly becoming curious to see if some solitary confinement straightened her out. Oh, we weed hobbyists can be so cruel to our ladies.
cn

After having dealt with the popcorn, I moved on to the nugs. Here is the branch after the fans and smalls were removed. The sugar leaves remain.

Here are the nugs. Not a perfect job, but it'll do.

A fair bit of trim came off that branch. I would not rate this strain as "easy to trim".

Last (and least) the forlorn stem.

Here are two pictures of my amputated Alice. All told she yielded just under three ounces of dried, close-groomed bud ... and a few grams of delightful bubble from the trim.

cn

cannabineer said:

I compounded my micronutrient stock solutions today. View attachment 1838539 They are in two bottles because acidic and alkaline micros would precipitate each other. This problem is not present at final dilution.Acidic micros:Fe from ferric nitrate x9H2O, (final conc) 2.5 ppmMn from manganous sulfate xH2O, 0.75 ppmZn from zinc nitrate x6H2O, , 50 ppbCo from cobalt nitrate x6H2O, 20 ppbCu from cupric nitrate X2.5H2O, 10 ppbNi from nickel sulfate x6H2O, 10 ppbCr from chromium(III) sulfate x12H2O, 10 ppb. Alkaline micros to yield:Si from K2SiO3, 20 ppmB from borax (sodium tetraborate dodecahydrate), 0.2 ppmMo from potassium molybdate, 0.2 ppbKOH to stabilize solution. When I opened my jar of cupric nitrate that had sat on a shelf for nine years, I found this accidental sculpture ... cnView attachment 1838553 The logo on the bottles is something from my lab days ... the Cheshire Bat.

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you are probably the only one that knows how to mix chems and add ph buffers correctly.

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Bubble hash, a tiny treatise, part 2The 25 was first onto the drying screen. It was too viscous to drain quickly, so i contented myself with making it into pastilles.View attachment 2209115The 190 was too coarse - it clogged my pipet.The 73, now ... it makes the most wonderful drip shapes. Do you like my little bubblegarden?View attachment 2209117The shapes are ephemeral; they collapse quickly under their own weight. But they do seem to indicate the trippy qualities of this lovely refined product.View attachment 2209118cn

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Stalagmites from heaven

cannabineer said:

Halle is still the same size (as per tape measure) as a week ago. She too has been losing some leaves, but not like Alice. With the odd interveinal color and her generally paler green, I wondered about Mg and N for her, so I mixed the same rich thick libation for her ... N blast with Mg, P and K.Here are the weighed salts, ready to be added to 2 liters of RO water. The ammonium nitrate has been recrystallized. View attachment 2031135

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Where did you get that .... all the way to the left. Remind me not to get on your bad side -....................................BOOM

RyanTheRhino said:

Where did you get that

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Bought it at a farm supply place about ten years ago. Eight bucks a bag. Fwiw ammonium nitrate is damn hard to coax into high-order whoopsie, even when it's been properly contaminated. But it's rather entertaining to sprinkle into a bonfire. cn

cannabineer said:

Bought it at a farm supply place about ten years ago. Eight bucks a bag. Fwiw ammonium nitrate is damn hard to coax into high-order whoopsie, even when it's been properly contaminated. But it's rather entertaining to sprinkle into a bonfire. cn

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Its regulated by me. Its like trying to buy pseudoephedrine. You have to have a reason and proof. Ex) farmer with a farm and they will come out and check if you ordered a lot.

I cant tell you how to mix chems or what will react to make new solutions, but I can calculate the zeta potential . I never really knew why they taught so many things in engineering that are kinda other majors. A little of this a little of that, with a dash of why.