Neil Young makes a stand against misinformation

DurumGallico

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hanimmal said:
I don't know, they also fought to cancel things like dumping chemicals in our water, lead in pipes, asbestos in our homes and businesses, leaded gasoline that polluted the shit out of our lands next to roads, racist laws keeping minorities from being able to vote, on and on.

I really don't see the new millennium version of toxic waste that the militarized paid trolls spreading lies that keep people angry, depressed, and very very unsafe is any different.

I do find it funny how much the hate mongers pushing the lies are so up in arms about 'cancel culture' though.
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Cancel culture is absolutely indefensible, doesn't even know who this guy is and i don't give a damn thing about him, just noticing it's again a person claiming his left tendency who's callling for censoring. And it's funny.

You can avoid a speech you don't want to hear, instead of all the examples you gave, completely irrelevant analogy.
 
Herb & Suds

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DurumGallico said:
Cancel culture is absolutely indefensible, doesn't even know who this guy is and i don't give a damn thing about him, just noticing it's again a person claiming his left tendency who's callling for censoring. And it's funny.

You can avoid a speech you don't want to hear, instead of all the examples you gave, completely irrelevant analogy.
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Ok now do Kathy Griffin
I’ll wait?
 
HGCC

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DurumGallico said:
Cancel culture is absolutely indefensible, doesn't even know who this guy is and i don't give a damn thing about him, just noticing it's again a person claiming his left tendency who's callling for censoring. And it's funny.

You can avoid a speech you don't want to hear, instead of all the examples you gave, completely irrelevant analogy.
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How do you define cancel culture man? In the context it gets brought up, I think it is fully defensible based on personal freedom.

People are free to do and say what they want, I am free to think its stupid and not listen. I am free to not associate with a business that backs things I don't like.
 
DurumGallico

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HGCC said:
How do you define cancel culture man? In the context it gets brought up, I think it is fully defensible based on personal freedom.

People are free to do and say what they want, I am free to think its stupid and not listen. I am free to not associate with a business that backs things I don't like.
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didn't bring the term first, and yes it's not relevant regarding the subject.
when i was speaking about Young calling for cancel and censorship : I see his move as a form of pressure against spotify, to pull this dude out. So pressure to cancel and/or censor them. And if it's not that.. what ? Just a childish thing like he's there so i won't ? lol. Saying "fuck you" to trumpers as said above? Lol just as childish.

But yes i do agree with you, and that's what i responded above you're free to listen or not.
 
Herb & Suds

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DurumGallico said:
didn't bring the term first, and yes it's not relevant regarding the subject.
when i was speaking about Young calling for cancel and censorship : I see his move as a form of pressure against spotify, to pull this dude out. So pressure to cancel and/or censor them. And if it's not that.. what ? Just a childish thing like he's there so i won't ? lol. Saying "fuck you" to trumpers as said above? Lol just as childish.

But yes i do agree with you, and that's what i responded above you're free to listen or not.
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Fuck you tRUMPers is just what patriotic Americans say
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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DurumGallico said:
Cancel culture is absolutely indefensible, doesn't even know who this guy is and i don't give a damn thing about him, just noticing it's again a person claiming his left tendency who's callling for censoring. And it's funny.

You can avoid a speech you don't want to hear, instead of all the examples you gave, completely irrelevant analogy.
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cancel culture is entirely defensible...as a matter of fact, it's an entirely civilized reply to uncivilized behavior...no death threats, no shouting and recriminations...just a complete and total ignore button...if you want to shout racist bullshit, pollute the earth, promote fascist political goals... that's fine, but none of us are going to buy your shit, listen to your music, watch your shows, support your candidacy....
 
HGCC

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DurumGallico said:
didn't bring the term first, and yes it's not relevant regarding the subject.
when i was speaking about Young calling for cancel and censorship : I see his move as a form of pressure against spotify, to pull this dude out. So pressure to cancel and/or censor them. And if it's not that.. what ? Just a childish thing like he's there so i won't ? lol. Saying "fuck you" to trumpers as said above? Lol just as childish.

But yes i do agree with you, and that's what i responded above you're free to listen or not.
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Isn't he free to say he doesn't want to share a platform with something he disagrees with? It's his music, he can determine how it's distributed.

I do think crazyhorse is going to lose and overestimating his importance, but its his stand to make. Spotify is free to tell Neil to suck it as Rogan has a much larger audience (guessing there).

Edit: I actually used to make those arguments about cancel culture or whatever, but they fall completely flat outside of government protection. Private parties don't owe that to other private parties. When it comes to public companies their duty is to shareholders, they have a duty to make money and that means going with the majority. If someone is driving away more customers than they attract it's the companies obligation to address that.
 
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DurumGallico

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
cancel culture is entirely defensible...as a matter of fact, it's an entirely civilized reply to uncivilized behavior...no death threats, no shouting and recriminations...just a complete and total ignore button...if you want to shout racist bullshit, pollute the earth, promote fascist political goals... that's fine, but none of us are going to buy your shit, listen to your music, watch your shows, support your candidacy....
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Cancel culture is definitely something that will die from itself and has nothing to do with defending against racism or other bullshit i never supported.
Even in the left side people are cancelled for any reason someone will bring from his own.
There is no real criterion to who you should cancel or not, not in the real world, not in the whole political scene, even not in the only left scene.
But yeah keep supporting white knight censorship as a true progressist, i find this dichotomy very funny and it will miss me when it will be gone by itself.
 
DurumGallico

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HGCC said:
Isn't he free to say he doesn't want to share a platform with something he disagrees with? It's his music, he can determine how it's distributed.

I do think crazyhorse is going to lose and overestimating his importance, but its his stand to make. Spotify is free to tell Neil to suck it as Rogan has a much larger audience (guessing there).
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Oh yeah of course Young can do whatever he wants, even if i think it's silly. Love his music actually
 
hanimmal

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DurumGallico said:
Cancel culture is absolutely indefensible, doesn't even know who this guy is and i don't give a damn thing about him, just noticing it's again a person claiming his left tendency who's callling for censoring. And it's funny.

You can avoid a speech you don't want to hear, instead of all the examples you gave, completely irrelevant analogy.
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lmao sure thing Karen.

Just because you paint yourself into some bullshit box with whatever radicalized definition you decided that 'cancel culture' means, doesn't mean you are not full of shit.

Toxic waste should be stopped, calling that 'cancel culture' is just right wing snow flaking because you want to keep being lied to so much that you get brainwashed into (insert bullshit feels here) cult.
 
Dryxi

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DurumGallico said:
Always funny to see so-called progressists calling to cancelling and censoring
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Does this really count as cancel culture stuff? More like activism, pulling his songs removes some of his own revenue, to put more publicity on a streaming giants responsibility to fight misinformation on its extremely popular channels.

I doubt Young believes Spotify will "cancel" a show they paid $100 million for exclusivity, in exchange to continue streaming his songs. Also cancel culture is not necessarily a bad thing, considering it falls pretty closely in line with the thinking that consumers can impact company decisions based on how they spend their money/time. Cancel Culture requires support of whatever cause they are peddling to have an impact
 
hanimmal

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DurumGallico said:
Yeah love your completely bullshit asumptions about me !
People that support this white kight censorship are even not able to determine what and who should be considered as toxic waste and cancelled, i'm not the only one my friend !
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What 'white knight cencorship'?

You just keep tossing out shit and expecting people to believe you. So you want to pretend like saying you have a radicalized definition of 'cancel culture' is somehow a 'completely bullshit assumption', but just the fact that you use a term that is being plugged by right wing hate mongers like their jobs depend on it, is evidence showing it.
 
DurumGallico

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Dryxi said:
Does this really count as cancel culture stuff? More like activism, pulling his songs removes some of his own revenue, to put more publicity on a streaming giants responsibility to fight misinformation on its extremely popular channels.

I doubt Young believes Spotify will "cancel" a show they paid $100 million for exclusivity, in exchange to continue streaming his songs. Also cancel culture is not necessarily a bad thing, considering it falls pretty closely in line with the thinking that consumers can impact company decisions based on how they spend their money/time. Cancel Culture requires support of whatever cause they are peddling to have an impact
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Yes it was a bad sentence, rather than "calling" should have said "wanting" sorry.

It might be a good thing for companies maybe, but generally i don't support people being put out of society for partial reasons.
 
Dryxi

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DurumGallico said:
Yes it was a bad sentence, rather than "calling" should have said "wanting" sorry.

It might be a good thing for companies maybe, but generally i don't support people being put out of society for partial reasons.
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But in cancel culture it requires quite a bit of support from the public to actually work. We can look to the impact of cancel culture on Morgan Wallen as an example.
 
Dorian2

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Why would Young want to share his life's work on a platform that caters to false and misleading information? Spotify doesn't even support it's own so called brand FFS. Working musicians and artists have been getting screwed by that outfit for years while they pile on billions in the bank on the backs of monthly subscribers. Why do you think they setup Rogan in the first place? Because he's got thousands of followers gladly paying Spotify on a monthly basis for misinformation. Spotify is a joke. Support music, not streaming media moguls who ride on the coat tails of stupid fucking people's monthly paychecks.

/rant
 
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