NEVER FORGET SAFETY WHILE MAKING BHO

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Honey Oil Riot Squad said:
I posted this in the other thread so here it is again lol. Seeing as this has blown up now...
Ok, maybe that wasn't as easy to pick up in the story as I intended.

Butane and all organic solvents that one would use for extractions (besides CO2) are very flammable. Butane being one of the most flammable. "So okay cool, don't light it on fire". But more importantly though, is that each solvent in gaseous form will have a certain point of ignition based off of a certain concentration of the gaseous solvent in the air. As you evaporate your butane, obviously it's going into the air. Some people (myself included) like to use hot water to speed up the evaporation up a bit. Otherwise it takes hours. I'd done this many times before but this time the hot water didn't evaporate the butane enough before getting cold again so my high ass just set the pan with butane on the counter in the same room (the kitchen) but away from the burner. Two yrs ago I'd have NEVER been so stupid but it got to the point where I began to think the "flash point" which is the point the concentration gaseous solvent in the air couldn't be reached that easily and when I turned my burner on stove on, a few minutes later, wtf my pan is on fire and it's like 6 feet away from the burner. I was careless bc I began to think there was less danger than I thought. I'm just telling the story so people who are in my same boat and could be becoming less cautious overtime as they make bho, don't light their bho on fire....
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Sooooooooo uh, dood- you even still have eyebrows?
 
lio lacidem said:
Your a scientist and dont know that static can In fact ignite butane fumes? The spark from static discharge is most definately enough to blow your ass up! Sorry if I sound like a dick but damn where did you get your degree?
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Im sorry, do you have a degree?

Do you know about the activation energy required for a butane combustion reaction at the minimal concentrated level for ignition is? Do you even know what that means? I didn't think so.
The energy from a static spark is pathetic and unless it's directly over the liquid or directly on the liquid where the butane concentration is almost 100% I can never see a scenario that the tiny bit of energy created from static could possibly reach the activation energy needed for combustion. Which again, you probably have no clue about. You would be burning your fingers everytime you played the "shock game" in elementary school. This shit is put online for safety purposes in the rare scenario that someone decides to fill a room up with butane to the point that their getting high off the shit, it which MAYBE, that would happen.

You did not learn this from practical experience. If it's on or directly over the liquid sure a spark may light it but that's not what I'm taking about here. I'm taking about the butane fumes far from the pan of butane.

Looking back at it, the issue was from setting it on the same counter as the stove without any ventilation. Even under the stove, it may have been better because of the vent there. Butane sinks, so what happened was a pool invisible gaseous butane traveled all the way across my counter to where my BURNER was.

And btw, a fucking static spark would have never ignited that small amount of butane. A stove burner sure, a spark, yeah right. No.
 
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Fadedawg said:
An atmosphere containing 1.8% butane, is explosive.
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After reaching the activation energy needed for the reaction to start. And a static spark, would NEVER reach the activation energy at 1.8 percent.

It could at like 100 percent or close to that. But 1.8%? No.

Do you guys think people who drag a bit of gas in their car after filling their tank blow their cars up from a little shock of static? No. That never happens. Hell, I saw a Mythbusters episode on this shit as a kid.

If somebody somehow shocks themselves RIGHT over the pan of butane, the concentration might be high enough. But that is not going to be a "bomb". It'll make some fire, and keep burning that butane off and you better smother that shit, but i'm talking about the fumes far away from the pan of butane. Most people know it's very flammable right next to the pan.
 
Honey Oil Riot Squad said:
After reaching the activation energy needed for the reaction to start. And a static spark, would NEVER reach the activation energy at 1.8 percent.

It could at like 100 percent or close to that. But 1.8%? No.

Do you guys think people who drag a bit of gas in their car after filling their tank blow their cars up from a little shock of static? No. That never happens. Hell, I saw a Mythbusters episode on this shit as a kid.

If somebody somehow shocks themselves RIGHT over the pan of butane, the concentration might be high enough. But that is not going to be a "bomb". It'll make some fire, and keep burning that butane off and you better smother that shit, but i'm talking about the fumes far away from the pan of butane. Most people know it's very flammable right next to the pan.
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I believe the published data, which is 1.8% through about 8.4%, and was determined by empirical testing. That is the data that Fire Marshals will be looking at as well, to whom opinions carry little weight.

http://www.gasinnovations.com/literature/MSDS-Sheets/MSDS-BUTANE.pdf is an example

The butane is also heavier than air and spreads out from the pan, so the danger area is substantially larger.
 
Honey Oil Riot Squad said:
Im sorry, do you have a degree?

Do you know about the activation energy required for a butane combustion reaction at the minimal concentrated level for ignition is? Do you even know what that means? I didn't think so.
The energy from a static spark is pathetic and unless it's directly over the liquid or directly on the liquid where the butane concentration is almost 100% I can never see a scenario that the tiny bit of energy created from static could possibly reach the activation energy needed for combustion. Which again, you probably have no clue about. You would be burning your fingers everytime you played the "shock game" in elementary school. This shit is put online for safety purposes in the rare scenario that someone decides to fill a room up with butane to the point that their getting high off the shit, it which MAYBE, that would happen.

You did not learn this from practical experience. If it's on or directly over the liquid sure a spark may light it but that's not what I'm taking about here. I'm taking about the butane fumes far from the pan of butane.

Looking back at it, the issue was from setting it on the same counter as the stove without any ventilation. Even under the stove, it may have been better because of the vent there. Butane sinks, so what happened was a pool invisible gaseous butane traveled all the way across my counter to where my BURNER was.

And btw, a fucking static spark would have never ignited that small amount of butane. A stove burner sure, a spark, yeah right. No.
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A dangerous position to be expounding. I don't accept that you have a related degree, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
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Honey Oil Riot Squad said:
After reaching the activation energy needed for the reaction to start. And a static spark, would NEVER reach the activation energy at 1.8 percent.

It could at like 100 percent or close to that. But 1.8%? No.

Do you guys think people who drag a bit of gas in their car after filling their tank blow their cars up from a little shock of static? No. That never happens. Hell, I saw a Mythbusters episode on this shit as a kid.

If somebody somehow shocks themselves RIGHT over the pan of butane, the concentration might be high enough. But that is not going to be a "bomb". It'll make some fire, and keep burning that butane off and you better smother that shit, but i'm talking about the fumes far away from the pan of butane. Most people know it's very flammable right next to the pan.
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How come there are static electricity warnings at all gas stations? I dont have a chemistry degree but I do know how to read. The more you argue the more I question even a G.E.D.
 
The deeper our level of incompetence, the more difficult to perceive our incompetence.

Ignorance is no sin, because we start out totally ignorant and will always be ignorant about some things. Thangs like the meaning of life and what makes women tick, for instance...............?

If not a sin, arrogantly refusing to learn in the face of new evidence is certainly adding disharmony to the universe, and exposing the rest of man and critter kind to the trauma and aftermath of their ignorance.

It also points out how important vetting new information from "the guru on the internet Mountain" is, and that ultimately the onus rests on our own shoulders to do so.

Those doubting this one voice from the multitudes, are encouraged to contact your local Fire Marshal, and put the question to him.
 
lio lacidem said:
How come there are static electricity warnings at all gas stations? I dont have a chemistry degree but I do know how to read. The more you argue the more I question even a G.E.D.
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Safety messages are over exaggerated (for well, safety). Let me just say again that the fucking children's show, Mythbusters, disproved this spark causing gas station explosion nonsense. A CHILDRENS SHOW. THAT'S HOW EASY THIS IS.
 
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