NEW Closet Set Up for L.E.D. Stealth Grow

Haha yeah I wasn't sure where his comment was coming from seemed a little bit from left field, as far as the bud situation, same here seedy and stemmy as hell nothing like college at psu, but like you I am staying smaller and just getting enough for my girl and I, the trash around here we go through 1/2 each week so can't wait to take first hit of good shit and yeah electric bills are a bitch, back that with buying herb and well you get the idea, I'm still just using cfl's and doing decent but am still on the fence between the cmh or going led, love the fact of less power consumption and not as much need to vent but as you said the costs are still a little rich so we shall see

I said, "I apologize". WTF?

Update? Wondering how they're doing =D

There was an update 4 days ago, just a lot of activity in between lol.

I topped Runt to get 4 cola stems going and 2 days later, she is having problems. The leaves are curling up as if heat stressed however we all know what HTG Supply said, you can put the light right on top of em.

I flushed the hell out of it, cut off the crisp leaves and the new growth was looking good, now it is starting to twist and turn at the tips. The top of Runt is in a Grodan cube as a clone and is actually looking quite nice.

I also have 5 seeds going, 4 of which have germinated and one still waiting.

Runt has me confused. At first, it was just the old growth, and it did look like a MG deficiency, cause the leaves were folding up, as if in prayer. I lightly water in epsom salts, very little, and it fixed the prayer leaves, but now I have twisting leaves. Flushed heavily again and now mother nature has to do her thing. I can't keep taking action on it or I'll kill it. All others look fantastic, The stunted plants are thickening the stems and new growth looks luscious. I can't believe I may lose Runt, why the problems with just one plant? They all get watered the same, Runt gets a tad more, not using nutes yet.... Totally lost and resigned to let nature take her course. The new growth was shooting straight up to replace the topped stem. I was getting excited, now I'll be afraid to top the others... That was the ONLY difference....

Keep your fingers crossed for her...

Completely spitballing here so noobs don't trust this, but you said in the beginning the light was too close and essentially the intensity burned them correct? Could it possibly be when you top and there is an open wound that the intensity of the lights has yet again caused some damage, ie to top maybe you need to take them away from the LEDs for a few hours, top let it fix the wound and then place back under the lights? Like I said might be completely off basis but just wanted to throw an idea out there

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Completely spitballing here so noobs don't trust this, but you said in the beginning the light was too close and essentially the intensity burned them correct? Could it possibly be when you top and there is an open wound that the intensity of the lights has yet again caused some damage, ie to top maybe you need to take them away from the LEDs for a few hours, top let it fix the wound and then place back under the lights? Like I said might be completely off basis but just wanted to throw an idea out there

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Next time I top I might very well place them in the nursery for 24 under flouros. Thanks BB, it's worth a shot.

On another though, the only thing that causes leaves to twist is a deficiency. Since I'm using distilled water, there is no calcium or magnesium being introduced. I'm not feeding and the soil is weak in nutes, it's MG Organic Choice.

Here is what I did and I'm crossing my fingers I got this right. I mixed 1 qt of distilled water, 1/4 tsp magnesium salts, 7 drops of Shultz's Plant Food 10-15-10 and 16 oz of seltzer water w/ no sodium. This mix is for foliar feeding only ATM until my digital PH meter arrives Monday or Tuesday. I doubt the PH is off by much, I think it may be time to start feeding the plants, as they have been in the organic choice soil for almost 3 weeks now. certainly what little nutes were in the soil are about gone now.

Runt was starting to lose some of her luscious green color as well, so I'm sure it is deficiency and I hope this foliar spray mix will do until the next watering/feeding in 3 days. I'll try to get pics up later this afternoon, the plants are finally beginning to grow, which is another reason I suspect nute deficiencies.

Any feedback that is constructive is very welcome.

i hope you had fun paying 4 times the cost of and hid and getting lesser results. it that really worth it to have a 10$ less electric bill, is it worth it just so you don't have to fuck with cooling? ME thinks not. stick with the hid and get used to it guys because led prices aren't coming down and the quality is at a plateau. LED's will be no more a few years from now. get used to hps ( there really not bad ) till plasma sulfur tech. becomes more prevalent! - DNK

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i hope you had fun paying 4 times the cost of and hid and getting lesser results. it that really worth it to have a 10$ less electric bill, is it worth it just so you don't have to fuck with cooling? ME thinks not. stick with the hid and get used to it guys because led prices aren't coming down and the quality is at a plateau. LED's will be no more a few years from now. get used to hps ( there really not bad ) till plasma sulfur tech. becomes more prevalent! - DNK

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It's fairly obvious from your clueless comments that you haven't done ANY research on today's LEDs, nor have you followed any of RIU's LED growers. And as far as power goes, LED systems are 90% more efficient in power consumption than hid lamps. The $10 savings figure you posted was pulled out of your ass. You obviously lack in math skills and the ability to convert usage into kwh. $10 difference? lol

You won't find us going into your 400w hps threads and trashing the wastefull energy costs of your lamps, so please show the same respect to LED growers.

If you have nothing constructive to say regarding a threads subject, perhaps you are better staying out of the thread and keeping your mouth shut? As I stated at the beginning of this thread, this is not a competition with hid systems, nor is it a forum for haters or LED bashers.

LEDS are far more advanced than plasma systems are. You just have to avoid the junk that looks like xmas lights claiming to be a grow light.

Hello everyone following this grow. It's time for the weekend update with some new pics.

The first two are Runt, she was topped, as you can see and now has the new growth growing up. She also has the deficiency I wrote about earlier that you can see. I'm going to post in a separate thread and ask for confirmation of my findings, that it is indeed magnesium.

I have to start feeding next watering. I guess I'm surprised the soil fed them this long.

The other ones are starting to stretch, however they too have a slight leaf curl that I believe I caught in time, because they are still luscious green.







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Definitely time to push for an LED sub forum i think !!!

that would be siick...IM ALL FOR THE l.e.d FORUM

dnkfrmthasoilz7 said:

i hope you had fun paying 4 times the cost of and hid and getting lesser results. it that really worth it to have a 10$ less electric bill, is it worth it just so you don't have to fuck with cooling? ME thinks not. stick with the hid and get used to it guys because led prices aren't coming down and the quality is at a plateau. LED's will be no more a few years from now. get used to hps ( there really not bad ) till plasma sulfur tech. becomes more prevalent! - DNK

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I can't believe the skulduggery that passes for trolling around here. When are they gonna learn to stop invading innocent grow journals and putting their unwanted comments where they simply don't belong? As if we ever gloat about the superiority of LEDs in their threads..

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Definitely time to push for an LED sub forum i think !!!

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Ooh! I so third that motion!

Absolutely it is time for a sub forum. There was a major article in the Detroit Free Press about LED production coming back to the US and who the manufacturers are. From what I can tell they are not really aware that this IS an industry for them to tap.

bar said:

Definitely time to push for an LED sub forum i think !!!

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PICTURE UPDATE

For being under LED lights a little over a week, they are starting to really look good. I included a pic of Runt, showing how the topping has affected her. She now has growth indicating 4 colas will be grown. She currently has two main branches growing up and you can see the other growth from the 2nd node's main fan leaves start to point upward and form new nodes.

Two of the others are near topping time as well. I'm cloning the tops that I clip to determine if they have what it takes to be a mom plant. I'll take additional cuttings from the best looking plant once we are 3 weeks into flowering.

SEEDLINGS:

All 5 seeds sprouted using my new trusty method. No more peat pellets for me. I just use starter mix, wet it, plant a seed, keep the top misted and cover with a dark black plastic Glad Ovenware tray. 4-5 days later, 100% germs. However, every seed hull stuck to the starter leaves. One needed a gentle touch from me, the rest eventually dropped the hull and skin, I just needed to keep misting to keep the hull pliable.

I'm not sure why I started the seeds now. I have 5 good looking plants that will be ready for flowering soon. I guess I'll top them all, and let the seedlings catch up. I was worried I wasn't going to have the recovery that these have been showing. I have 5 seeds left that I'll place away for a rainy day. I plan on using clones for the foreseeable future.

SCROGING:

I finally found my net material for the scrog grow! I have been looking everywhere for something suitable and was prepared to order a damn badminton net. I wanted something with more support though and I finally found it at Lowes in the garden section, hiding with the chain link fence. It is a 2" mesh 25' x 2' wide home fence made of a pliable plastic that comes in green or white.

I'll be mounting eye bolts in the walls about 10" above the pot tops and securing the netting with mini bungee cords to the eye bolts. I'm not scroging this grow because:

A.) I need to determine I have true females before I start weaving plants in a scrog only to find I have to remove one later when the weaving is near finished and flowering begins.

B.) I want only the best genetics and growing from seed usually introduces several traits. Once I have clones going, I'll use about 8 plants per grow to fill the screen with colas.

I will start a separate scrog thread when I begin to do a scrog LED grow. I'll link the new thread at the end of this one when I get ready to post the harvested weight from the 10 plants going now.

Questions, constructive comments, and general well wishes are all welcome. check out the Runt pic below and see if you can spot the new main branches growing. (hint" look for the arrows)


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Glad to see you doing the U.B. style topping Serapis! It sure worked great for me. Today I chopped one of the tops that I rooted a few months back. It was only about 3' tall but I'll probably get about 2 oz of bud from it. Runt is looking fantastic; you're going to have to rename her, LOL. Glad to see everything going well.

jus wondering if led lights are better or what? im not really experienced in growing

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jus wondering if led lights are better or what? im not really experienced in growing

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That's what the thread is here to find out. Stick around and watch us grow...

Not sure why you planted all your seeds? You had the LED too close to the seedlings and were afraid they were going to die. Look at it this way, you have more moms to choose from!!