New plants, slight browning at tips of leaves . . help?

kieahtoka

Well-Known Member
Now, I've stated my opinion it is up to the nightshd to determine who is right by testing the remedies on his plant. I have no more info to add and I don't wish to get into a little battle with someone who is notorious for insulting rather than being reasonable. With that I'm out, and don't pull that little "running away?" bullshit. It will only prove how immature you actually are.
 

babygro

Well-Known Member
Also I did not say that it was heat stress, in fact I said the opposite. If you would look at the cotyledons then you would notice that they are also brown.
The issue wth heat stress is irrelevant, it's not heat stress.

Cotyledons store nutrients for the seedling to use before it's created a root system - the cotyledons always go brown and shrivel and die once those nutrients have been used, even on healthy plants. So unfortunately you cannot point out browing Cotyledons as any proof of your 'deficiency' theory I'm afraid.

In fact more leaf matter on those leaves are brown than at the top.
This isn't true at all. The top leaves have the most brown edge burning than any of the leaves on that plant.

It doesn't seem to be nitrogen since as you have said it is a mobile element which would have most likely started at the bottom. The most likely culprit is a potassium def. Since the leaves are in fact browning with little yellowing beforehand. Nitrogen would have much more yellowing on all of the leaves.
What part of this statement I said previously did you not understand Kieahtoka?

"The most likely deficiencies at this stage of the plants life are the three main NPK elements and Magnesium, all of which are mobile elements"

Notice the part there that says ALL of which are mobile elements? Yes that means Potassium is a mobile element as well. Try again.

It's also HIGHLY unlikely that a plant of that age will have a K deficiency, as it's simply not using high quantities of K at that stage in it's life. Potassium deficiency always starts on the older leaves first as it translocates that nurtrient to the growing tips. Also Potassium deficiencies are a much more orange/yellow leaf colour than light pale yellow.

But it really doesn't matter because basically any fert with low levels of npk will work and shouldn't burn his plant.
And so now you're advocating giving his plant a low NPK ratio fertilsation at less than 14 days old? Decent quality compost watered correctly should contain sufficient nutrients for at least 3-4 weeks growth, if the plant has problems before then, then something else is causing it. If it was a ph problem, you'd have multiple nutrients deficient and a translocation of nutrients from older leaves to newer, not damaged newer leaves.

Your remedy on the other hand would in fact deprive the plant of one of it's basic necessities. and might even end up harming it more.
My remedy of repotting into a proper plant pot and a fresh set of soil and nutrients is going to harm the plant even more is it?

The problem here is a simple one. You simply don't have the experience or knowledge to understand the cause and effects here. All you can see is the 'effects' and are guessing at the cause, guessing incorrectly I might add, because you don't know.

I went through an almost identical discussion with Spittn4Cash not that long ago and his argument that time was that it was the time release fertilisers in the MG soil that was causing the problem. You this time are claiming it's a nutrient deficiency.

In my experience on this site, at least 50% of new grower problems are caused by not understanding how to water their plants correctly - this is just another example of that. You show your ignorance and inexperience (along with Videoman) by stating naively that the plant is not 'overwatered' because it's not wilting.

You don't seem to understand that overwatering comes in many forms, and the one you're referring to is the effect that usually happens after you've just watered your plants. This is caused by the sudden lack of oxygen in the root zone and the plant loses turgidity for a little while afterwards but then soon recovers back to it's original state as soon as oxygen in the root zone becomes available.

This persons plant is suffering from over-watering because it's been a slow build up of a little water at a time over a longer period, with no run off and poor drainage and poor draining soil. What happens is that the water builds up at the bottom of the pot over time and whilst the top surface may look dry (and prompt more watering) the water continues to build up at the bottom of the pot because it's simply not draining correctly. The roots sit in this waterlogged wet soil, rotting them, potentially locking out nutrients for uptake and starving the plants roots of oxygen. The plant is still getting some oxygen from higher up in the soil, but it's not enough to continue healthy growth and not enough to cause the plant to wilt.

This is precisely the reason, that new growers must learn how to water their plants correctly using the 'wet/dry' pot method, fully saturating with plenty of run off to push out old stale oxygen and plant wastes and pull in fresh supplies of oxygen from the surface, and repeat when the pot becomes light. Small amounts of water given frequently is probably the worst thing you can do to water your plant.

I'm not wasting any more of my time discussing this with someone who simply does not have the knowledge to understand what's going on. The original poster can accept whatever and whoever's advice he wants to, I couldn't care less, I've given my opinion and as far as I'm concerned it's the correct one.

You however, have still got a lot to learn, as very little of what you're saying here actually makes any sense. The plants nutrient deficient? Cause?
 

nongreenthumb

Well-Known Member
If it was a common nutrient deficiency ie the kind of deficiency you would be likely to get in that situation the signs would show on the lower leaves first, not on the top leaves. The lower leaf closest to the bottom of the picture is nice and green, it's the top leaves that are affected.
Unless it was an immobile macro nutrient problem of some sort, these immobile nutrients can knock each other out by not being present
 

babygro

Well-Known Member
Unless it was an immobile macro nutrient problem of some sort, these immobile nutrients can knock each other out by not being present
It's possible but unlikely. You rarely get deficiencies of immobile nutrients unless something else is causing it and as I said earlier in some detail, the likely cause here is over-watering. But it's quite possible it's a combination of things.

I still can't get over him putting it into a beer can though. Seen some weird shit on this site, that just adds to it I guess.
 

nightshd

Active Member
I started them in beer cans because even though im new to growing pot, ive grown plenty of plants before and when you start in cans you can peel them away when it comes time to transplant.
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
Be careful, the roots of cannabis grow very rigorously. Your plants are definitely not uptaking the nutes properly. You've grown plenty of plants before so you understand ph'ing.

Aren't some metals actually poisonous to cannabis? I know when I used a upvc tub for dwc my plants were getting poisoned. They made it, but they were nowhere near as good as they should've been.
 

SmokerE

Well-Known Member
At one time I would question what is going on with my plant when it comes to getting nute burns, overwatering or whatever particulars I have control over. It's just a "weed". Give it good soil, water it as soon as it looks like it needs it, hold off on ferts in the beginning. Don't put it in beer cans unless it's just a temporary pot (i.e. less then a week, even then I wouldn't do it). I've recently done some side by side comparison with a couple of soils and let me tell you they make a world of difference. We can say it's underwatering nutrient deficiencies or whatever, but if the soil isn't good at supplying the plant with drainage and nutes and oxygen your fucked. The plants that I've messed around with both where store bought. I forget the name of the one shitty one, but that miracle grow organic seems really nice and cheap. I'm not a soil grower nor do I condone the practice of putting beautiful plants in something as dirty as "dirt", but that stuff isn't half bad. Just don't add no nutes like my buddy did and burn the shit out of them in the beginning. The shortcut with the beer can leads me to believe that there is the possibility that the same kind of shortcut was made with the soil. When you change pots get some good soil. Someone else might be able to affirm this, but a friend of mine said that african violet soil is really good 2. Lower PH or something. Good Luck.
 

nongreenthumb

Well-Known Member
man babygro is an a$%hole, dude what happened to you as a kid, why you have to be so mean to everyone and always have to be right? babygro thinks he is GROWGOD here to school us all on growing.......LOL...but babygirl has barely grown any cannabis and swears cfls are better than HID...crazy..:joint:
whether you like babygro or not, what you have done is far lower, whoever you are I think you need to grow up, its a bit childish and you make the site look silly.
 

nongreenthumb

Well-Known Member
it isn't low, also what makes the site look silly is when people like babygro fill it with info that was posted on other sites, i love rollitup and would love for people to look at it as a place to come get new great horticulture info, not a place to come read stuff that you read in a post on another site.......also what's wrong with being a child? not that i am and also is it not childish to call some one childish?...are we not all a little childish at heart? I hope or i'm going to stop smoking weed and die:peace::peace::peace::joint::joint:
No taking someone elses name just to mock them is childish, and your a total idiot. Carry on as much as you want though. I'll just put you on ignore, but things like this look even worse to a new grower, if you loved this place so much you would want people to stay not fuel the fire.
 

000420

terpenophenolic
No taking someone elses name just to mock them is childish, and your a total idiot. Carry on as much as you want though. I'll just put you on ignore, but things like this look even worse to a new grower, if you loved this place so much you would want people to stay not fuel the fire.

oh no, some guy with a chicks crotch in his avatar called me an idiot and put me on his ignore list:cry::cry::cry:...ROFLMAO.....woopidy doo.......no hard feeling nongreenthumb:blsmoke:
 

nightshd

Active Member
it seems like theres nowhere online you can post anything any more without starting a flame war anymore. all you guys who gave me info thanks a lot, i both repotted it and waited until it wilted a tiny bit so i could figure out when it needed water, and now theyre looking great, thanks!
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
Where is babygro? This guy's a proper dick and I've been waiting for babygro to come and deal with him. 000420, wtf are you doing? If you dislike babygro so much why not hijack one of his threads?
 

000420

terpenophenolic
Where is babygro? This guy's a proper dick and I've been waiting for babygro to come and deal with him. 000420, wtf are you doing? If you dislike babygro so much why not hijack one of his threads?

because in this thread, the first post he makes is degrading to another memeber, and from that point on continues to down talk anyone else who tried to help in this thread....that's what set me off......sorry...
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
You two need to sort out your differences.

If someone talks down to you then you need the strength of character to not let it affect you. This is the internet, there is no body language or tone. All we have is what we read. Often this can be misinterpreted, particularly us lazy stoners.
 

nongreenthumb

Well-Known Member
oh no, some guy with a chicks crotch in his avatar called me an idiot and put me on his ignore list:cry::cry::cry:...ROFLMAO.....woopidy doo.......no hard feeling nongreenthumb:blsmoke:
I think an age check is in order here, you know you have to be over 18 right?
 

000420

terpenophenolic
You two need to sort out your differences.

If someone talks down to you then you need the strength of character to not let it affect you. This is the internet, there is no body language or tone. All we have is what we read. Often this can be misinterpreted, particularly us lazy stoners.
you are right, we are just reading...and it is very easy to misunderstand someone, or take something out of context...:joint:
 
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