DannyGreenEyes
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Those plants look real good for a CFL grow, they look better than the plants in Seymour Buds book. If you haven't started flowering yet, I think it might be just about that time.
Newbie with a heat problem
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capecodkid
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I am trying to save you $$$$ in the long run.
billyblaze
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Thanks CCK
I believe i have the heat problem solved 
I closed all the heat ducts in the basement, just checked the room and it is 76.6F perfect lol Humidity at 41% I am happy lol As for the age they are 4 weeks from seed. I am not sure if i want to clone for sex or take some cuttings and try to root. I have some clones coming from a buddy so i want to figure this out soon.DannyGreenEyes
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This is the most complete thread about UVBs that I think there is, it's a long thread that need bumping & paperclippig. https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/36368-trichomes-thc-uvb-light.html There are a lot of pics of some really frosty buds, but if you need more just do a search for UVB and a few hundred threads will pop up for you to read.
I'm using two 10.0 UVB Bulbs which is a reptile light (for real reptiles). On the first page of the above thread someone has figured out the math formula to tell how many UVB bulbs you need for your grow area. One bulb would be more than enough for me, but I want the dankest, stankest, stickiest, ickiest, Snoop Dogg grade buds this area has ever seen.
To put it in a nutshell, and I read a scientific study on this researching why different strains found at different altitudes have different potencies, UVB rays cause the plant to defend itself by making "sunscreen", and to a cannibus plant sunscreeen is trics & resin. So UVB bulbs can dramatically increase the potency of your buds. If you grow outdoors you obviously don't have to add UVB unless you want to try to control pests & mold/mildew better.
UVB has also been found to keep certain pests away, and UVB kills certain types of mold & mildew. That never hurts. It does nothing to mites though, already checked because it's so dry here that we have a high risk of mite infestations.
The UVB needs some UVA, the UVA is like a multiplier. I can't find any info on UVC which only reaches the highest altitudes (in the study the potency of the cannibus increased as the altitude got higher), but there are no bulbs on the market with a UVC rating anyway so I guess it don't matter yet, not till someone starts making a bulb with a UVC rating so we can experiment with it.
The bulbs cost $25 at Petsmart and you can pick up a 18" under the counter fixture at Wal-Mart for $7. The fixture is hollow plastic so it's easy to attatch haning hooks to it.
One word of caution, too much UVA or UVB will burn your plant. The bulb I mentioned seems to be the best, it has a UVB rating of around 10% and a UVA rating of around 23%. Start by hanging the light too far away and slowly move them closer to your plants. And keep a close eye on your plants while you're moving it closer. Once you figure out how far to keep them away post the info somewhere, it's still a subject that's being argued about.
You can also find CLFs, MHs, HPSs, and some other forms. But the other forms are all spotlights that don't give much of a coverage area.
2 never do's that I've been able to figure out:
Never use Mylar to make your own reflector, it turns the bulb into a plant burning "torch".
Never use tanning bed bulbs, tanning bed bulbs have UVA ratings of over 90%. The UVA will burn the shit out your plant before it's anywhere near close enough for the UVB to have an effect.
Oh, and differnt strains have diffent tollerances to UVA/UVB. So if you're growing multiple strains you might notice that one starts getting a little crispy while the others are still doing fine. Dont use them any closer to the plants than the "weakest" plant can handle.
Most say that UVB only helps during flowering, but I'm hard headed. I'm planning to use the UVB bulb on half my plants for a couple of days during veg to see if I notice more trics. If not I'll turn them off till flower but if I notice tric growth I'll keep them on during both veg & flower.
You will loose a little yield because the plant has to use more energy on tric & resin production, but from what I read I don't think the loss of yield is very bad at all.
I'm probably forgetting one or two things, but that should put most of the basics into a nutshell for ya.
By the way, there was a 8 degree temp drop in my house between 1am & 10am, my neighbors must turn off or turn down their heat at some point during the night. This is going to make it a real pain to keep the temp regulated. So if I get the money I think I've decided on getting the portable a/c-heat-humidifier with one of those control units. It may be the only way to make sure the temp is regulated at all times. If I don't get the money I'll try to get a vent fan with scrubber.
I'm using two 10.0 UVB Bulbs which is a reptile light (for real reptiles). On the first page of the above thread someone has figured out the math formula to tell how many UVB bulbs you need for your grow area. One bulb would be more than enough for me, but I want the dankest, stankest, stickiest, ickiest, Snoop Dogg grade buds this area has ever seen.
To put it in a nutshell, and I read a scientific study on this researching why different strains found at different altitudes have different potencies, UVB rays cause the plant to defend itself by making "sunscreen", and to a cannibus plant sunscreeen is trics & resin. So UVB bulbs can dramatically increase the potency of your buds. If you grow outdoors you obviously don't have to add UVB unless you want to try to control pests & mold/mildew better.
UVB has also been found to keep certain pests away, and UVB kills certain types of mold & mildew. That never hurts. It does nothing to mites though, already checked because it's so dry here that we have a high risk of mite infestations.
The UVB needs some UVA, the UVA is like a multiplier. I can't find any info on UVC which only reaches the highest altitudes (in the study the potency of the cannibus increased as the altitude got higher), but there are no bulbs on the market with a UVC rating anyway so I guess it don't matter yet, not till someone starts making a bulb with a UVC rating so we can experiment with it.
The bulbs cost $25 at Petsmart and you can pick up a 18" under the counter fixture at Wal-Mart for $7. The fixture is hollow plastic so it's easy to attatch haning hooks to it.
One word of caution, too much UVA or UVB will burn your plant. The bulb I mentioned seems to be the best, it has a UVB rating of around 10% and a UVA rating of around 23%. Start by hanging the light too far away and slowly move them closer to your plants. And keep a close eye on your plants while you're moving it closer. Once you figure out how far to keep them away post the info somewhere, it's still a subject that's being argued about.
You can also find CLFs, MHs, HPSs, and some other forms. But the other forms are all spotlights that don't give much of a coverage area.
2 never do's that I've been able to figure out:
Never use Mylar to make your own reflector, it turns the bulb into a plant burning "torch".
Never use tanning bed bulbs, tanning bed bulbs have UVA ratings of over 90%. The UVA will burn the shit out your plant before it's anywhere near close enough for the UVB to have an effect.
Oh, and differnt strains have diffent tollerances to UVA/UVB. So if you're growing multiple strains you might notice that one starts getting a little crispy while the others are still doing fine. Dont use them any closer to the plants than the "weakest" plant can handle.
Most say that UVB only helps during flowering, but I'm hard headed. I'm planning to use the UVB bulb on half my plants for a couple of days during veg to see if I notice more trics. If not I'll turn them off till flower but if I notice tric growth I'll keep them on during both veg & flower.
You will loose a little yield because the plant has to use more energy on tric & resin production, but from what I read I don't think the loss of yield is very bad at all.
I'm probably forgetting one or two things, but that should put most of the basics into a nutshell for ya.
By the way, there was a 8 degree temp drop in my house between 1am & 10am, my neighbors must turn off or turn down their heat at some point during the night. This is going to make it a real pain to keep the temp regulated. So if I get the money I think I've decided on getting the portable a/c-heat-humidifier with one of those control units. It may be the only way to make sure the temp is regulated at all times. If I don't get the money I'll try to get a vent fan with scrubber.
capecodkid
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I am pretty sure that u will only need the uvb during the flower cycle...Good luck with your ac. You should check out peoples grow journals. see what they are useing a ac unit or a inline fan. This first grow is a learning exp.
capecodkid
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No problem blaze keep up the good work. How long do you plan on veging? The longer the better.Thanks CCK
DannyGreenEyes
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Yeah, most people say that it's only beneficial during veg, but logic is telling me that the plant has to defend itself shomehow during veg. Mabye tric growth with no resin production till flower. And logic is also telling me that if I can get a shitload of trics before flower then resin production during flower will be much higher. We'll see, I'll play mad scientist & find out. lol
And the reason I'm leaning toward A/C if I can afford it is because of the temp change in my apartment, most don't have to deal with a 10 or 15 degree daily temp change in their house, it's gonna make regulating temp in the closet a lot harder. Especially when I'm sleeping. lol
billyblaze
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That' why I signed up here!!! lol The last grow I did was 35 years ago and while the "concept" has not changed the "solutions" have become far superior.... lol So what is a long time vegging?? and should I sex them now? or let them go further on thier own?? I have 20 white rhino clones arriving this weekend and I don't want to screw up that strain
capecodkid
Active Member
my temp fluctate from 65 to 85 b4 i figured out how to keep them regulated with my inline. You can by motor speed controls for the fan there like 22 bucks. My grow is near the ocean and the house is old when the wind blows hard it sucks the heat out of the house when that happens i just pul theduct out of the ceiling(i vent into adic) and keep it in same room keeps the temp up and if it starts to get hot i put it back.
capecodkid
Active Member
I veg from 45-60 days. Some people veg from seed. Wow 20 clones where are you going to put them. you clearly dont have enough light for all those plants. I would get just ten and get them use to your room and flip to 12/12(all plants). Transplant them into bigger pots(clones)I forget what the thumb print of a 600 isBut a 400 is 3x3 9Sq feet. So i am guessing that a 600 is about 5x5.
DannyGreenEyes
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I think I'm going to have to take the day off. I just got the dry heaves for some reason.
Called on the foxfarm dirt, $100 for ten 12qt bags. Plus another $50 for the perlits. If I don't come up with that money I'm going to have to stick with the cheaper ECO brand compost blend. So I'm gonna call the dipsensories & put the clones off till next week.
I'll try to log back on later
capecodkid
Active Member
hope you feel beter man.
billyblaze
Member
I am only keeping 10 I am hold the others till buddy finishes his room. I figured I could do about 12- 16 in that room, so that would put me at the top of my guesstimate, gonna lose probably 3 (males) so should I take several cuttings and root them in my veg closet?
billyblaze
Member
Danny Listen to the man!! get a good exhaust fan and a carbon filter, plus you can buy a thermstatic plug in for around $35.00 at any of the major reno stores, the Lux 100 looks good it is programable, or order a reostat from HTG that will allow you to control the speed of your fan. I had to go elsewhere cause of where I live (above the 49th) it should arrive this week will let you know
capecodkid
Active Member
Oh ok you have a veg and flower room....cool. its all up to you if you want the cuttings. take them of the best looking plant(like mother like daughter....lol).
DannyGreenEyes
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Hey guys, just wanted to let you know what's going on. Feel better today, still don't know wtf yesterday was all about, 24 hr flu or something maybe.
Anyway, I thought of another move I could try to free up some money, getting a refund on a 32" TV I bought from Best Buy a couple of months ago. But they wont give me a refund, they'll only give me a store credit, good news is they have portable A/C units. I'm going to trade the TV for a 12,000 BTU in a little while, they have one in stock.
The TV is a second TV anyway so it's no big sweat. I'm still going to need a Carbon Scrubber for the exhaust which I'll figure out a way to get, but do you think I'm going to also need an inline fan, or do you thing the AC will have a strong enough blowr on the exhaust to do the job?
Hopefully I'll be able to run all 5 lights with this A/C running (3 HID & 2 UVB). I'll know a little later. I'm also going to try to pick up the soil, perlite, and bloomer today. With any luck I'll be able to pick up the clones before the weekend. Oh, and I'll be in and out all day so if I don't respond to a message right away, I'll be back soon.
Anyway, I thought of another move I could try to free up some money, getting a refund on a 32" TV I bought from Best Buy a couple of months ago. But they wont give me a refund, they'll only give me a store credit, good news is they have portable A/C units. I'm going to trade the TV for a 12,000 BTU in a little while, they have one in stock.
The TV is a second TV anyway so it's no big sweat. I'm still going to need a Carbon Scrubber for the exhaust which I'll figure out a way to get, but do you think I'm going to also need an inline fan, or do you thing the AC will have a strong enough blowr on the exhaust to do the job?
Hopefully I'll be able to run all 5 lights with this A/C running (3 HID & 2 UVB). I'll know a little later. I'm also going to try to pick up the soil, perlite, and bloomer today. With any luck I'll be able to pick up the clones before the weekend. Oh, and I'll be in and out all day so if I don't respond to a message right away, I'll be back soon.
DannyGreenEyes
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I'm back, hope everyone had a good day.
I got the A/C but it didn't have packaging or instructions so I have to try to search the net for some that I can print out since I've never used one of these before. If anyone knows of a site that keeps pdf files of portable A/C units, please post a link.
The unit definately looks like it's capable of doing the job. It has 2 hoses one for intake and one for exhaust. I'm pretty sure these two hoses are used to vent the hot air. Question is the intake. I know heat rises, but heat also radiates. That's why it's usually so much hotter under the bulbs. Not only do you have heat coming down from the bulbs, you should also have heat coming from the plants, pots, dirt, etc... So would it be best to put the intake in the middle of your plants, just above the plants, or up high in the room? And if I get a 3 way splitter for the intake would it be better to position those 3 new intakes (that all lead to the one true intake) to vent the hoods? I have shitty hoods with no vent holes, but I think I can Jerry rig something.
I didn't get the dirt today, I got there too late. But I'll be getting it tommorow morning. Tonight I'll be getting the temp right. And as soon as I get the pots set up under the lights I'll start taking pics for my journal.
I got the A/C but it didn't have packaging or instructions so I have to try to search the net for some that I can print out since I've never used one of these before. If anyone knows of a site that keeps pdf files of portable A/C units, please post a link.
The unit definately looks like it's capable of doing the job. It has 2 hoses one for intake and one for exhaust. I'm pretty sure these two hoses are used to vent the hot air. Question is the intake. I know heat rises, but heat also radiates. That's why it's usually so much hotter under the bulbs. Not only do you have heat coming down from the bulbs, you should also have heat coming from the plants, pots, dirt, etc... So would it be best to put the intake in the middle of your plants, just above the plants, or up high in the room? And if I get a 3 way splitter for the intake would it be better to position those 3 new intakes (that all lead to the one true intake) to vent the hoods? I have shitty hoods with no vent holes, but I think I can Jerry rig something.
I didn't get the dirt today, I got there too late. But I'll be getting it tommorow morning. Tonight I'll be getting the temp right. And as soon as I get the pots set up under the lights I'll start taking pics for my journal.
DannyGreenEyes
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Sorry for the inconvenience, I found it. This site has a bunch of manuals for home appliances & electronics. You may want to bookmark it in case you ever need a manual. This would be a good first place to look. http://safemanuals.com/user-guide-instructions-owner-manual/DANBY/DPAC120068-_E It's free, they ask you to do a survey to get a manual, but there's also a link to bypass that and just enter a 4 digit security code, you know the kind to make sure you're not an autobot or something.
billyblaze
Member
So have you figured it all out yet?? sounds like a good trade...lol your spending more time watching your weed grow than tv anyway lol
DannyGreenEyes
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lol, true. That was actually a second TV anyway in the bedroom that I never seemed to watch. I need the A/C a lot more than the TV.
Do you know if I need to balance the PH in the water that I use for the A/C like I balance the PH in the water I use to water the plants?