hotrodharley
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Consider using a wetting agent to help with getting moisture into dry places in the medium. Liquid dishwashing or laundry soap are fine. Just a couple of drops in a gallon of water or feeding.
Nitrogen deficiency or lockout? Need help! (With photos)
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Budzbuddha
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You have to base your feed on the plant not a “ schedule “ - most of those feed charts are guides ONLY.
What you may have done “ last “ time will not work everytime - every plant is different ( in feed requirements).
AN nutes are marketed hype. Everything they sell you is available in simpler forms . It is insanity to buy / use MULTIPLE BOTTLES of this and that to grow cannabis. Its feed requirements are close to a tomato plant.
You are doing overkill and elements are antagonizing ( Blocking / damping ) themselves.
Blackketch
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@coreywebster @Kushash @farmerfischer @hotrodharley @Budzbuddha
First of all, I thank all of you for coming to my rescue! I increased the water amounts by a liter and a half for each and comuqnue I could hardly see runoff so maybe there is to say that probably besides the light not penetrating there could be some lower part that always stays dry as you say and some time ago I read as well that letting the soil dry too much before watering can lead to problems of pH changes.
Ah I checked the calibration of the pen and it was out of calibration so I think I actually never exceed 2 ec at the moment.
Last night I tried to read what little runoff I got and it read 3.5 however there is a huge BUT that I would like to point out to you, I had become paranoid that the reading is far from correct! Let me explain what I mean... Basically with air pots if you give too much water all at once the water will come out of the side holes before it gets all the way to the bottom and many times it falls into the saucer and then even if it dries out there remains a hyper concentrated part of fertilizers, I directly did a test to see if that was actually the case and by putting some water directly into the saucer and measuring that water I came up with a reading of 4 ec.
Now guys I don't stand here in absolute ignorance but I used this logic and it doesn't seem entirely wrong!
Last night I gave plenty of RO water with absolutely nothing and let's see how they will behave over time but anyway from above no symptoms found at the bottom except always for a few leaves higher up but hidden by the light.
Anyway I will definitely reduce both the amount of fertilizer and the amount of products used as per your advice
First of all, I thank all of you for coming to my rescue! I increased the water amounts by a liter and a half for each and comuqnue I could hardly see runoff so maybe there is to say that probably besides the light not penetrating there could be some lower part that always stays dry as you say and some time ago I read as well that letting the soil dry too much before watering can lead to problems of pH changes.
Ah I checked the calibration of the pen and it was out of calibration so I think I actually never exceed 2 ec at the moment.
Last night I tried to read what little runoff I got and it read 3.5 however there is a huge BUT that I would like to point out to you, I had become paranoid that the reading is far from correct! Let me explain what I mean... Basically with air pots if you give too much water all at once the water will come out of the side holes before it gets all the way to the bottom and many times it falls into the saucer and then even if it dries out there remains a hyper concentrated part of fertilizers, I directly did a test to see if that was actually the case and by putting some water directly into the saucer and measuring that water I came up with a reading of 4 ec.
Now guys I don't stand here in absolute ignorance but I used this logic and it doesn't seem entirely wrong!
Last night I gave plenty of RO water with absolutely nothing and let's see how they will behave over time but anyway from above no symptoms found at the bottom except always for a few leaves higher up but hidden by the light.
Anyway I will definitely reduce both the amount of fertilizer and the amount of products used as per your advice
Blackketch
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Let's say I have been using them for a short time and I was lucky enough to win a contest last year so I found myself using them also not to buy other fertilizers and I have been relying on a lot of other people who use at least 5 more all together and I have tried to never go over a tot and especially I have always halved the doses. I trust you and I will cut back on the nutrients right away, I am just sorry that ,if it is true what you say about this company , they are scamming and just creating problems for a lot of people. You are absolutely right about the differentness of each plant but I had inferred that a fortiori that the plant was larger I would have problems in giving the same doses more at the level of a few nutrients given and not in excess and also the talk that the plants comuqnue to be at full capacity and show only one type of deficiencies made me doubt the lockout. thank you very much indeed for the tips
newcayney2008
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I think everybody might have the same idea with the nutrient schedules on the big name companies. I think sometimes they probably post right next to the 1 L and 250 ml, of their huge quantities of nutrients like the gallon size and of course the small pickup bed size pallet so you think these big time Growers are using all of their product and lots of it. I would imagine that if I was a legalized commercial grower I wouldn't pick up my phone go to eBay or Amazon and decide to order a pickup bed full of tarantula, and grow or whatever I love the company that you're talking about, they let me learn how to grow and figure it out myself just like you with all those containers. And they did that by having it as far as I know the fertilizer that has worked wonders and the best for me all alone so newbies could have some nice plants to poison with their own money. I too am following the groups advice not to put any of that other s*** in there I do want to try, and I'm going to try, Mega crop one part. Now I don't know if I use that one part in instead of The grow and use a and b with it or just use the one part Mega C. Any answers will be great. My British man, gave me the advice although I don't understand the schedule and if it perfect pH is it's it is on ordering. Here is a couple of my new study. I had to quit for a couple of years cuz I could not do any more study with coming down every morning in my own house and finding my branches clipped buds taken, and flat out ruining the work and effort and fun of the project not to mention destroying it by letting light in during its night hours. These ones really have their track shoes on! Except for the runtz. They were planted December 22nd and broke soil on the 24th except for the runs. I take the bigger cultivars and top them at least once and start LST as soon as I can get a loop around a stem. Lot of effing work but I love it! 95% of the time I get 3z dry off every plant with showing stretching and bending these branches in trimming leaves to get the most light to the money makers. Totally works for me call me stupid,? Cuz I am, anal,? sure, getting way too deep and spending way too much time tending to a effing house plant. Not. Like I said to one of my last critics,
newcayney2008
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Blackketch
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@coreywebster @farmerfischer @Kushash @Budzbuddha @hotrodharley
Sorry to stress you guys but I wanted to ask your opinion on something. I know very well that runoff is used to see if it is taking what I am giving it and I also know that it is used to see if the soil is saturated but because of the difficulty in getting an accurate letter I was thinking of measuring the ec of the soil through a slurry test... I am probably talking bullshit but at least then I could get an idea of how saturated the soil is? at least to see if it is actually saturated. I have already just performed it and it reads me 0.7 EC now if you give me confirmation that it can be even a minimally useful method I will try through the holes in the pots to collect soil samples at the top, middle and Bottom of the pot.. let me know guys! I don't want me to be just talking science fiction
Sorry to stress you guys but I wanted to ask your opinion on something. I know very well that runoff is used to see if it is taking what I am giving it and I also know that it is used to see if the soil is saturated but because of the difficulty in getting an accurate letter I was thinking of measuring the ec of the soil through a slurry test... I am probably talking bullshit but at least then I could get an idea of how saturated the soil is? at least to see if it is actually saturated. I have already just performed it and it reads me 0.7 EC now if you give me confirmation that it can be even a minimally useful method I will try through the holes in the pots to collect soil samples at the top, middle and Bottom of the pot.. let me know guys! I don't want me to be just talking science fiction
farmerfischer
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Ive never done the slurry technic .. you may end up with 3 different readings with none of them 100% accurate.. but like i said ive never done it.. what were your readings in the middle and bottom?