Oaksterdam t-5 veg 600w hps flower

Looking great Drella! Man, you did the right thing trimming a few fans off and in the end you'll be glad you did you'll see.

I know Tom420 thinks he's the god of pot growing or something, but trust me you can't apply all the principles of growing outdoors, indoors. Sure outside leave every leaf there is, the sun is bright as shit and it'll penetrate any canopy as long as the sunlight comes down on it. Indoors is a whole 'nother story though, and when you're working with a lower power HID you need to maintain even light distribution to/through your canopy which cannot truly be done without sacrificing a few big fans here and there. Why would you not want to trim a few old big leaves that aren't photosynthesizing as fast anymore to expose a few hundred or more new leaves that are photosynthesizing fast plus (more importantly) open the area up so that lumens may penetrate more deeply in general? People that are scared to trim away a few leaves for the greater good of the plant are just stubborn and foolish. I mean, do what you want, but don't act like trimming a few leaves here and there is bad for the plants or your yield. Not with only a 400-600w HID.

Oh and Drella if you haven't already done this I would take something like an icepick and poke some holes around the bottom of those cups on the outside so that they can drain properly. You need some drainage or you can get root-rot.

d.c. beard said:

Looking great Drella! Man, you did the right thing trimming a few fans off and in the end you'll be glad you did you'll see.

I know Tom420 thinks he's the god of pot growing or something, but trust me you can't apply all the principles of growing outdoors, indoors. Sure outside leave every leaf there is, the sun is bright as shit and it'll penetrate any canopy as long as the sunlight comes down on it. Indoors is a whole 'nother story though, and when you're working with a lower power HID you need to maintain even light distribution to/through your canopy which cannot truly be done without sacrificing a few big fans here and there. Why would you not want to trim a few old big leaves that aren't photosynthesizing as fast anymore to expose a few hundred or more new leaves that are photosynthesizing fast plus (more importantly) open the area up so that lumens may penetrate more deeply in general? People that are scared to trim away a few leaves for the greater good of the plant are just stubborn and foolish. I mean, do what you want, but don't act like trimming a few leaves here and there is bad for the plants or your yield. Not with only a 400-600w HID.

Oh and Drella if you haven't already done this I would take something like an icepick and poke some holes around the bottom of those cups on the outside so that they can drain properly. You need some drainage or you can get root-rot.

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Tom is right, The same principles go for any plant wether it be in or outdoors.
Outdoor plants actually get less light penetration to the bottom leaves than indoor plants do, and they also don't get full light all day like indoor plants. It's foolish to cut off the main thing that produces bud, but it's your call if you want to experiment or not. Theres better ways to get light penetration down further other than butchering plants. Buds don't need light to grow. You've notice the bigger leaves on your plants right, They are bigger than most because they are the most efficient food producing leaves for your plant.

Don't listen to just anybody that shoots you advice Drella, do your own research so you can further educate yourself and better understand how plants grow. Good Luck Buddy, Terrorizer



Uncle Ben-
Bottom line? It is your call to determine what is most important to the plant during flowering - large, efficient fan leaves or small, ineffective bud leaves. Choose carefully regarding targeting fan leaves for removal or tucking them away, as their exposure to quality light is The Key.

terrorizer805 said:

Signs of a Rootbound Plant

1. The pot has been filled with roots and there is very little soil left
2. Because there is very little soil left when you water, it goes right through and drains out, nothing is retained
3. The plant wilts within a day or two of watering, because with very little soil, no moisture is retained
4. The roots are growing out of the drainage holes
5. The roots are cracking the pot
6. The plant is top heavy or way too big for the size of the container

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very informative, thanks for the useful info bro, i think ill let em go another week or less!

Kriegs said:

Everything looks really good... great job!

I wouldn't wait for a root-bound condition to signal transplant time, although it is nice if you can get the cup space fairly full of roots and get a coherent root ball that pulls out in one piece. Just easier to handle and you get less transplant shock, if you get any at all.

Those are clones in the cups, right? If so, they should fill the cups out pretty well in about a week under a 600; maybe even less. If you're getting active growth on the top, you're getting a lot of root growth down below too. If you know they're females, go right into a 3-gallon. Or even if you don't... but I know a lot of folks will use an intermediary pot size like 1-gal with unsexed plants so as to not chow up all their grow space and budget with a bunch of big pots that need to get sorted out anyway.

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thanks kriegs, i can tell by your advice that you really care, and i appreciate it. i run 4- 4't5's for veg. all clones, already blooming for almost a month, it's a sure thing, hope everything is well for you!

d.c. beard said:

Looking great Drella! Man, you did the right thing trimming a few fans off and in the end you'll be glad you did you'll see.


Oh and Drella if you haven't already done this I would take something like an icepick and poke some holes around the bottom of those cups on the outside so that they can drain properly. You need some drainage or you can get root-rot.

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i always appreciate your help DC. the reason why i value your opinion is because we have similar grow capabilities. we both have a bloom room with A/C and HID. the difference is you have it dialed in. the basic fact is indoor is totally different than outdoor. indoor growers, there are three kinds, experimenters, organic, and leave aloners. i think we all rock. this is the best hobby ive ever had! im a mixture of growing techniques. basically i trimmed them because the undergrowth, (that looked like it has the potentiel for denseness, wasn't getting any light, they were thinner than the buds on the top. DC and Rydup have influenced my trimming techniques, and they have only helped my grows.

the red cups have 5 1/4 holes drilled in them

thanks dc, looks like you have a harvest looming, good luck bro!

terrorizer805 said:

Tom is right, The same principles go for any plant wether it be in or outdoors.
Outdoor plants actually get less light penetration to the bottom leaves than indoor plants do, and they also don't get full light all day like indoor plants. It's foolish to cut off the main thing that produces bud, but it's your call if you want to experiment or not. Theres better ways to get light penetration down further other than butchering plants. Buds don't need light to grow. You've notice the bigger leaves on your plants right, They are bigger than most because they are the most efficient food producing leaves for your plant.

Don't listen to just anybody that shoots you advice Drella, do your own research so you can further educate yourself and better understand how plants grow. Good Luck Buddy, Terrorizer

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Thanks terror, i appreciate your experience and work ethic. your grows come out great, and very natural looking. not to mention dense and amazing! i appreciate your natural approach, its very disiplined. my approach is i have a lot of plants, and an ADD mind. im using my experiments to dial in my technique, nothing is set in stone, except for the fact that im gonna keep posting, and keep growing! good luck bro, thank you for always giving me your opinions and help!

nugging up and triching nicely, all have a distinct smell! I found out the clone i had that was labeled WWARX3CHEESE, is actually White widow cross with 3 cheese, im super stoked! this is the revegged monster that is the extra plant im throwing into bloom. I took cuttings of the bottom and tops of this beast. she had never touched as far as trimming until today.

I did an experiment on my LAOG clone. the top colas made the plant like 28", way too tall. so i cut off like 4monster colas, i guess you can technically call it topping, but man, iv'e never took cuttings from such thick branches, they didn't even droop in 12 hrs!

did a lot of shopping today, i bought a 2'- 4 tube t5 fixture. this brings my total veg room to 6' 4t5 fixture. it's basically adjustable for taller/shorter plants now. i was sick of my veg room getting crowded. when im not using the new t5 fixture. ill use it for side lighting somewhere.

I also picked up a 30x lighted microscope, in the picture you can see i also have a 3' 2tube t5 fixture bought at home depot for $30.

last pics of my favorite, hindu skunk, nugs getting real dense. i found out today these ladies have a 10wk bloom time, kinda bummer, longer bloom time, but oh well!

Hell yea bro some shoping!
I'm gonna buy a Grow tent for my next run and a exhaust fan can't wait.

terrorizer805 said:

Hell yea bro some shoping!
I'm gonna buy a Grow tent for my next run and a exhaust fan can't wait.

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That's one way to get a man to go shopping... ... suggest a hydro-store run.

(My apologies if I've mistakenly assumed anyone's sex.. couldn't resist).

Mmmm I love my T5

haha i like ur grower categories; experimentors, organic, and leave it aloners. id guess id have to put myself in with the experimentors then lol. anyways keep up the good shit brotha still followin along

kriegs said:

that's one way to get a man to go shopping... ... Suggest a hydro-store run.

(my apologies if i've mistakenly assumed anyone's sex.. Couldn't resist).

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what?...........

terrorizer805 said:

Hell yea bro some shoping!
I'm gonna buy a Grow tent for my next run and a exhaust fan can't wait.

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grow tent for terrorizer! im so happy for you! your gonna love the roomyness of it, really gonna step your grows up! are you gonna get a like a 4" or 6" inline exhaust, or what kind? in my bloom room i run a 4" inline through my light to cool it, and exhaust air out of my bloom room. i keep the vent closed on my window air unit. so technically, i just found out, i have no intake. the handful of times i check the bloom room throughout the day i let the door open for some fresh air. next grow im gonna get a CO2 setup with a regulator for $300, with a big tank and regulator. because my rooms sealed, (no air coming in) it should work. i gotta get a dual timer to turn off the exhaust for 3hrs while the CO2 bumps!

Kriegs said:

That's one way to get a man to go shopping... ... suggest a hydro-store run.

(My apologies if I've mistakenly assumed anyone's sex.. couldn't resist).

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yeah, i always spend too much, $300 for a 150w hps with built in ballast, 1- 2ft 4tube T5, 8 3gallon pots with saucers, and a 30x lighted magnifier. but damn does it feel good. i know im supposed to conserve what i spend, dont wanna put out more than i put in, you get what you pay for, right? ive dumped $1500 so far, $2000 with utilities and nutes.

notoriousb said:

Mmmm I love my T5

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cant go wrong, for me personally. ill never go metal halid. im moving my veg room to the garage. trying to keep the veg room cool during a cali summers gonna suck! the t5's gonna help. im gonna build a plywood structure, that's gonna be insulated. before summer im gonna invest in a 4" inline to exhaust, and a circulating fan, we'll see.

BooMeR242 said:

haha i like ur grower categories; experimentors, organic, and leave it aloners. id guess id have to put myself in with the experimentors then lol. anyways keep up the good shit brotha still followin along

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yeah im an experimentor too bro! thanks for sticking with this one, it's gonna start getting interesting, i promise! i guess im technically a serious, laid back, here for the joy of growing, experimentor! keep it up y'all!

haha ya im still followin man no worries im here like everyday as is. im just waitin for my shit to get rollin and play sum catch up with u. keep up the good shit

first pic of one transplanted clone, from red cups, nice looking roots,
second and third pic of revegged monster i threw into bloom yesterday, it was getting crowed in the veg room. thanks for the advice guys to throw it in the bloom room. im gonna do a good trimming on her the second week of 12/12, so she doesnt get in the way of the other ladies. this plant is White Widow Northern Lights X 3 Cheese, i heard she's a leafy beast, so im gonna keep her proper!
fourth and fifth pic of the veg room now, with newly transplanted clones from red cups, new cuttings of LAOG, and white widow northern lights x 3 cheese, and some mature veg that i gotta get rid of, any takers? just dont got the room for em!

BooMeR242 said:

haha ya im still followin man no worries im here like everyday as is. im just waitin for my shit to get rollin and play sum catch up with u. keep up the good shit

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yeah dude, i never thought id be in day 25 of bloom, and looking great. not one yellow leaf, and buds thriving like hell! i hit some bumps in the road, as did you, but im ready to be dialed in on my strains and setup! in the meantime checkout my trials and tribulations, so you dont do the same. good luck on getting your shit rolling!

Drella said:

grow tent for terrorizer! im so happy for you! your gonna love the roomyness of it, really gonna step your grows up! are you gonna get a like a 4" or 6" inline exhaust, or what kind? in my bloom room i run a 4" inline through my light to cool it, and exhaust air out of my bloom room. i keep the vent closed on my window air unit. so technically, i just found out, i have no intake. the handful of times i check the bloom room throughout the day i let the door open for some fresh air. next grow im gonna get a CO2 setup with a regulator for $300, with a big tank and regulator. because my rooms sealed, (no air coming in) it should work. i gotta get a dual timer to turn off the exhaust for 3hrs while the CO2 bumps!

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Yeah man, i'm gonna get a 4x4 grow tent and a 4" inline fan with carbon filter, Then hopefully a cooltube. Fuck yea bro you're gonna be happy with that c02 your plants are gonna love it. Eventually I will buy a c02 sytem too but i'm gonna take it one grow at a time.

Damn you have a shit load of plants man, I would too if I had more space but gotta work with the space I have I guess.
WTF are you nails painted? Lol or is that your girl?

terrorizer805 said:

Yeah man, i'm gonna get a 4x4 grow tent and a 4" inline fan with carbon filter, Then hopefully a cooltube. Fuck yea bro you're gonna be happy with that c02 your plants are gonna love it. Eventually I will buy a c02 sytem too but i'm gonna take it one grow at a time.

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dude, were like twins! same strains, same bloom room! i gotta 4x4x6 man-made plywood, insulated box. i gotta 600w hps with a glass sealed hood. it has two 6" holes on both sides for cooling, and exhaust. i run a 4" inline though my light with ducting and a step up adapter 4"-6" into the light. it works for me, to cool the light, and give the room ever important exhaust!

terrorizer805 said:

Damn you have a shit load of plants man, I would too if I had more space but gotta work with the space I have I guess.
WTF are you nails painted? Lol or is that your girl?

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your gonna have more space soon though! Ha, i was wondering if anyone would notice, yeah its my wifes little hands in the pic! im trying to talk her into a bikini photo to celebrate our first harvest. thanks boomer for the inspiration!

CA just passed legislation through the state supreme court, i know its true because my wife read it on Perez Hilton! a cannabus patient can now use discretion with the amount of plants he/she can grow. just dont go crazy. im mostly experimenting, if you ever need or want to trade hit me up, or pm me bro, we are neighbors! My grows are 100% bog and PM free, i pretreat and sterilize everything twice!

could you post a link to the court ruling?

Drella said:

your gonna have more space soon though! Ha, i was wondering if anyone would notice, yeah its my wifes little hands in the pic! im trying to talk her into a bikini photo to celebrate our first harvest. thanks boomer for the inspiration!

CA just passed legislation through the state supreme court, i know its true because my wife read it on Perez Hilton! a cannabus patient can now use discretion with the amount of plants he/she can grow. just dont go crazy. im mostly experimenting, if you ever need or want to trade hit me up, or pm me bro, we are neighbors! My grows are 100% bog and PM free, i pretreat and sterilize everything twice!

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baha i saw the pic with her hands in the pic and had to double take on it i was confused lol.
def should work on that photoshoot drella haha. im gonna start a new trend on RUI. just u wait.. haha were doin a photoshoot with our rides soon i think and maybe do a shoot for Pinups and Pitbulls.
im also gettin a new pitbull puppy soon im stoked.

but ya my cannabis attorney i deal with said the attorney general of CA has always set the limit to 16 mature plants per rec. not 6. its been bullshit. but the descretion law i like more

better for all u SOG growers as well. but glad to hear that my setup is lawfully sanctioned

"playing barnyard games, gotta be smarter then the piggies..." -judge D

BooMeR242 said:

baha i saw the pic with her hands in the pic and had to double take on it i was confused lol.
def should work on that photoshoot drella haha. im gonna start a new trend on RUI. just u wait.. haha were doin a photoshoot with our rides soon i think and maybe do a shoot for Pinups and Pitbulls.
im also gettin a new pitbull puppy soon im stoked.

but ya my cannabis attorney i deal with said the attorney general of CA has always set the limit to 16 mature plants per rec. not 6. its been bullshit. but the descretion law i like more

better for all u SOG growers as well. but glad to hear that my setup is lawfully sanctioned

"playing barnyard games, gotta be smarter then the piggies..." -judge D

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let's not forget where your idea stemmed from Boom