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Seems like a lot of breeders recommend open pollination, not culling any plants, for a few generations before they start culling individuals or doing any selective breeding. To reduce genetic bottlenecking.
Yeah but it be a selective open pollenation in a ideal world and if numbers allow that most would recommend over a full on herms and mutants and all you don't see many doing the second option so much tom hill maybe idk I can't think of many others
 
Yeah but it be a selective open pollenation in a ideal world and if numbers allow that most would recommend over a full on herms and mutants and all you don't see many doing the second option so much tom hill maybe idk I can't think of many others
If the plant is inferior, I don't use the seeds from it. Bottlenecking is not necessarily bad. Everybody does it essentially even if you start with 10,000 plants. I'll have the capability of using those seeds from the plants I did not select if need be. And those plants may react very well in this generation. But selection is breeding. These plants have already been through hundreds of years of selection in a sense. I'm not working with zkittles. I'm not working with land race either, but these genetics are building block genetics of today's strains.
 
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Seems like a lot of breeders recommend open pollination, not culling any plants, for a few generations before they start culling individuals or doing any selective breeding. To reduce genetic bottlenecking.
Seems like a lot of breeders recommend open pollination, not culling any plants, for a few generations before they start culling individuals or doing any selective breeding. To reduce genetic bottlenecking.
Depends on what your working with too. If you grew seeds from Taden Kahn's 20 acre field in Afghanistan you wouldn't have bottlenecking as a worry.
 
Hey fam! Just caught up on the past months. After years of spending thousands on skunk hunts I kind of gave up. I keep a gmo and a dogwalker cut in rotation for my funkies. Today though I recieced an email from sun-clone saying they put an rks on the shelf. I have been dragging feet on my next rotation so I ordered a few cuts. I plan on flipping them pretty quick and posting how they go here. Fingers crossed... sarcastically. Doesn't sound like anything has been found other than excited pre-cure smells. Im still over salivating driving past dead skunks on the road. Oh thiols where art thou.
 
Hey fam! Just caught up on the past months. After years of spending thousands on skunk hunts I kind of gave up. I keep a gmo and a dogwalker cut in rotation for my funkies. Today though I recieced an email from sun-clone saying they put an rks on the shelf. I have been dragging feet on my next rotation so I ordered a few cuts. I plan on flipping them pretty quick and posting how they go here. Fingers crossed... sarcastically. Doesn't sound like anything has been found other than excited pre-cure smells. Im still over salivating driving past dead skunks on the road. Oh thiols where art thou.
Supposedly it is cannacopias cut from what I heard
 
Seems like a lot of breeders recommend open pollination, not culling any plants, for a few generations before they start culling individuals or doing any selective breeding. To reduce genetic bottlenecking.
Which breeders are doing this? When I browse the seed banks it seems that 98% of the packs available are made by filling a room with elite females and chucking their selected male or some other elite female at it.
 
I agree. When I said "a lot of breeders" it was probably an over statement, but I feel like more breeders are advocating for open pollination when doing preservation expansion type breeding. Open pollination is just the first step then they do selective breeding. Folks that do open pollination say to do it a few generations to lock in all the possible genes in the gene pool and then they start pulling out undesirable individuals.
Not saying that's what everyone(or anyone) should do in all situations either. I've never had the opportunity to work with the numbers required to use that strategy, I've always done more targeted pollen chucking myself out of necessity.
The ones that come to mind who are doing open pollination are CSI Humboldt's regular non feminized preservation lines like Mango Biche https://humboldtcsi.com/product/colombian-mango-biche/ Burmese IBL https://humboldtcsi.com/product/burmese-ibl/ Deep Chunk https://humboldtcsi.com/product/deep-chunk/ Sterling Skunk https://humboldtcsi.com/product/sterling-skunk/ Hawiian lites F2 https://humboldtcsi.com/product/hawaiian-lites-f2/ Pine Tar Kush IBL https://humboldtcsi.com/product/pine-tar-kush-ibl/ Uzbekistani IBL https://humboldtcsi.com/product/uzbekistani-ibl/ '79 Xmas Bud IBL https://humboldtcsi.com/product/79-xmas-bud-ibl/.
And all of Tom Hill's stuff, like conor c mentioned.
 
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If the plant is inferior, I don't use the seeds from it. Bottlenecking is not necessarily bad. Everybody does it essentially even if you start with 10,000 plants. I'll have the capability of using those seeds from the plants I did not select if need be. And those plants may react very well in this generation. But selection is breeding. These plants have already been through hundreds of years of selection in a sense. I'm not working with zkittles. I'm not working with land race either, but these genetics are building block genetics of today's strains.
I like to study different breeding strategies and open pollination interests me, but if it were me I would probably do it the exact same way as you are.
 
I agree. When I said "a lot of breeders" it was probably an over statement, but I feel like more breeders are advocating for open pollination when doing preservation expansion type breeding. Open pollination is just the first step then they do selective breeding. Folks that do open pollination say to do it a few generations to lock in all the possible genes in the gene pool and then they start pulling out undesirable individuals.
Not saying that's what everyone(or anyone) should do in all situations either. I've never had the opportunity to work with the numbers required to use that strategy, I've always done more targeted pollen chucking myself out of necessity.
The ones that come to mind who are doing open pollination are CSI Humboldt's regular non feminized preservation lines like Mango Biche https://humboldtcsi.com/product/colombian-mango-biche/ Burmese IBL https://humboldtcsi.com/product/burmese-ibl/ Deep Chunk https://humboldtcsi.com/product/deep-chunk/ Sterling Skunk https://humboldtcsi.com/product/sterling-skunk/ Hawiian lites F2 https://humboldtcsi.com/product/hawaiian-lites-f2/ Pine Tar Kush IBL https://humboldtcsi.com/product/pine-tar-kush-ibl/ Uzbekistani IBL https://humboldtcsi.com/product/uzbekistani-ibl/ '79 Xmas Bud IBL https://humboldtcsi.com/product/79-xmas-bud-ibl/.
And all of Tom Hill's stuff, like conor c mentioned.
Yeah but the problem in my opinion is if you lock the bad traits in at the start it's more work to sort it out later than if your building blocks are solid prime example the recessive herm trait say your working with stock that some has it some doesn't if you excluded the stuff that carries it at the start you won't have to work a few generations to stabilise it that way also I know CSI would use s1s to find something sexually stable if need be as well I'm not against it some are though
 
Yeah, most of CSI Humboldt's work is what Observe & Report described, filling a room with elite clones and pollinating them with reversed elite female pollen. That stuff has it's place but it's never interested me. It seems they only do open pollination for preservation projects of IBL'S and the like. They don't use s1's for that stuff.
My interest in open pollination is purely academic. I have zero experience doing open pollination, I just like to learn about it. But, The concept behind open pollination is that plants that carry bad traits, like hermy traits like you mentioned, or bad structure or whatever, may also carry good traits and by culling those individuals you're throwing the baby out with the bath water so to speak.
By open pollinating for a few generations you capture all of the potential gene pool, good and bad, and mix them all together so that all or most individuals contain all, or most, of the genetics contained within that gene pool. By mixing everything together before you start pulling parts of the gene pool out you can essentially uncouple good gene traits from undesirable individual plants and embed them into the general population. And then you can then start culling the plants that express bad gene traits without fear of inadvertently eliminating parts of the gene pool you might have wanted to preserve.
You would of course be breeding into the population undesirable traits too which like you said would need to be breed out, likely over several generations. So it's definitely not the most direct way to get to a specific breeding goal. It takes more work but in the end though, in theory, you would end up with a strain that has more of it's gene pool intact. You limit yourself less going forward.
Again this is all just from what I've read I have never had the opportunity to try to breed that way. It would take probably twice as long to achieve a stable breeding population via open pollination compared to standard breeding practices. But, it interests me because of the lack of genetic diversity amongst the majority of the consumer market.
Is this how I would do a breeding project? Probably not, I don't have the time or space in my current situation.

Good work skink#1, it's folks like you that keep cannabis culture alive, thank you!
 
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Sensi and Nirvana have Super Skunk:



Dutch Passion has Skunk No. 1:


I’m in the process of cracking the Sensi Super Skunk right now, along with Dutch Passion Blueberry and Skywalker Haze.
I wouldn’t put my faith into the 3 Super Skunks that you recommend.
The Dutch/Euro banks lost most of their good genetics a decade or more ago.
Dutch Passion just attaches a popular name to some no name seeds and lets you find out the hard way.
If someone is actually looking for some Super Skunk, AK Bean Brains (AKBB) has the best crosses available.
 
I wouldn’t put my faith into the 3 Super Skunks that you recommend.
The Dutch/Euro banks lost most of their good genetics a decade or more ago.
Dutch Passion just attaches a popular name to some no name seeds and lets you find out the hard way.
If someone is actually looking for some Super Skunk, AK Bean Brains (AKBB) has the best crosses available.
Little known fact though it seems too nirvanas untill recently wasn't the standard superskunk anyway there's is skunk special x skunk1 according to the packet I think they state there s1s as the right lineup now for years it was there own though probably dates back to when ferry was still working there I figure as the special is his work
 
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