On Gun Control ...
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tip top toker
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i think you're right on that oneNa were just having fun. I think it's gonna be agree to disagree since our viewpoints are totally oposite(and rather strange I think on your part). Anyways no worries mate!
my point was that it's a circle, it's too embedded into america to in any way effectively control it, that is to say it's an american way of life
we're just basically arguing over who has the correct lifestyle, and everyone will have good points, but noone will ever win
i might as well put my self in place.
i love guns, there is nothing sexier than a gun done right, it's just YEAH baby, and i can't deny that, they're mint, i am a natural with them, i put a 1" cluster with a .22 rifle at 250 yards on my first ever time firing a gun, granted it was a nice gun, but it was sitll using irons.
but that said, i don't agree with the liberal use in america, just as it is a matter of one touch of a trigger, and it's game over, it's just too easy to make a mistake, something humans do better than anything in the world. so it's not that i wouldn't mind having a rifle, for hobby reasons, not defence, as it's not necessary for me in any ways shape or form, that is to say the country i live doesn't demand it, that's not quite the case with you, where the culture has led to needing to defend in a more extreeme way, but not if it meant that everyone else has one as well, it's just gonna escalate so rapidly, it's unavoidable. not to mention, anything can happen when someone can't handle their drink!
worst case realistic scenarioo inh the UK is that there's a knifing outside a pub, altghout as stated, gun crime is on the rise in england, (anyone read about the football coach shot dead in london?) whereas in the US, as you say, there is a right to carry in places, worst case in anerica is that he's got a gun, a very likely scenario, and he pulls that instead.
The Warlord
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I agree with all of that and that bit at the end....Bravo!
tip top toker
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well he said it not me, that';s kinda the point i've been making all along...
if they can't get a gun, they'll use the next best thing, a knife, and so on. guy pulls a gun on you, average citizen is dead. guy pulls a knife on you, average citizen has a very real chance of walking away, it's not as instant-kill and undefendable as a gun. and you don't then need to ban knives nesecarily, as i say, you can walk away from the knife, it's not quite such a threat. if everything dangerous were to be bvanned etc, thinking like that would be akin to thinking that if you can kill at 60mph then every vehicle should be restricted to 10. it's not about complete illeglisation on guns, it's in the name, you just gotta control them, not hand them out to any bugger with 2 centances of english and a trigger finger.
so if you take that the other way, if they can't do much with their knife, they'll goto the next step up, a gun. voila.
if you can't agree with that at least, then there is no point for me to type anything else as it'll say it all
The Warlord
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Kinda depends wich guy can run faster.
RetiredToker76
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Try an experiment. First give your wife a rubber knife. Save the 'approach' and have her put it at your neck. Run away BEFORE she has a chance to flick her wrist. It can't be done. Now that's at inches difference between you and her. If given a choice at a distance of less than 25 feet I'd RATHER have a good blade than a firearm. At less than 25 feet a firearm is fairly worthless as most assailants come a bit more prepared than victims. Victims typically do not have their defensive weapon in their hand and ready. Petty much ALL assailants do as their intentions are pre-determined. I for one would rather have an attacker at 21 feet with a gun than an attacker at 2" with a knife.
The average, yes AVERAGE human can cover a distance of about 21 feet in less than 2 seconds. The AVERAGE human can draw a gun from a concealed position in about 3 seconds. So just by analyzing the numbers that's why I carry mace, a 4" blade, and a firearm. I've pulled my mace 5 times in my life, my blade once, and my firearm once. Guess how many dead have been left in my wake. None. Injured? Not a single one.
You might live in a happy utopia, but my under paid and under appreciated job takes me to places I personally don't want to be. They take me around EVERY aspect of 'person' in a singular place where it's illegal to carry weapons of any kind in the US. I value you my income so I do not carry my weapons on the state property. I would have infinitely preferred to have had my weapons on my person at work a total of 9 times in the last 5 years. In those instances my martial arts training in conflict avoidance just barely saved my a$$ in situations which I had nothing to do with other than the fact I was present at the time.
Your government would rather offer you up as meat to the violent element of society, there are governments here that feel the same way. Chicago, LA, New York, and Washington D.C. they gladly offer their citizens up as meat to the people intent on doing violence. They have the highest crime rates, they have the highest murder rates, they have the highest rape rates. Where I live all of the crimes are VERY rare because the criminals KNOW that there's a 1/4 chance that the person they think about going after is armed with a fire arm and that there's a 3/4 chance that your average person on the street has some sort of 'non-lethal' defensive tool.
I carry non-lethal and lethal so I have what may be needed for the worse situations on earth. I hope that you never know a hostage situation (I have) I hope that you never see a stabbing (I have) I hope that you never witness an attempted rape of your wife (the time I pulled my gun.) Don't kid yourself, those happen all over the world in every culture regardless of gun and weapon laws. If you trust your feet enough to out run a knife at your throat then you should strongly consider becoming an Olympiad. I for one would rather have an option as to how to defend myself other than words or turning my back on someone who has a knife at my throat. (One of the macings.)
If I practiced continually since I was a teen then I myself could have been considered a lethal weapon. I posess advance training in 3 martial arts. I however chose a path of music instead and 10 hours a day practicing tends to have an effect on ones physical prowess.
I'm glad you have the foresight to never find yourself in the right place at the wrong time, or the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm glad you have the physical prowess to outrun a lunatic with a blade at your throat. I'm glad you have absolutely no need to EVER in your entire life be forced to defend yourself. Some of us weren't born with that kind of luck.
I've spend 25 years of my life studying defensive practices starting with Tea Kwon Do followed my Ju Jitsu, and I stopped at Hap Ki Do. The one thing all my instructor through the years emphasized is that there is only so much one can do with their hands before a weapon of some kind is needed for defense. I shoot (and train) defensive pistol competitions as well as long range rifle competitions and I frequently win on the local and State circuits.
I ask exactly how much training do you have in keeping yourself alive? What makes your knowledge so proof positive that in our world is safe to live in without ANY form of weapon? I for one know full well that a criminal or government could gladly use ANY means necessary to destroy those who think that passive and peaceful is the only way to live? How easy it is that the brits so conveniently forget Nazi Germany.
Call it paranoia, call it what you will, I don't particularly care. Gun control ALREADY EXISTS IN THE US. The gun control that DOES exist is a violation of the Unisted States Bill or Rights and it is getting worse.
Robert A Heinlein, "An armed society is a polite society." Time Enough for Love
Pardon me while I laugh at the thought of "guy pulls a knife on you, average citizen has a very real chance of walking away." That's completely comical. As I personally have been 'killed' by a knife and I never saw it comming. Of course I wasn't killed and it was only a rubber knife. It was part of my Hap Ki-Do training. The instructor was speaking to us about how we had performed for our Red belt test, as he did he very calmly slit each and every one of his students throats with a rubber blade measuring 3" long. Myself and his son were the best students in the class and we didn't see it comming either, we were killed with the rest the class and we all had to wait another 6 months to achieve our advancement. The next test he pulled a very real full legnth sword that was completely concealed behind his back, 7 students got cut that day (minor scratches), I was not one of them. Keep telling yourself that if you run you'll be safe. My opinion is that if an assailant is functionally capable of using any weapon to harm you and you 'flee' that assailant will only enjoy harming you more. Out gun him, render him unable to utilize his tools, or destroy him are the only real options for ending an assault.
Ignorance doesn't always equal bliss... If I was nieve as you I'd already be dead, the best weapon I've ever had is my knoweldge of the anatomy of an attack.
Oh my oh so dangerous job. A network technician for a state agency that has nothing to do with crime, criminals, or violent people. It's an agency that all people utilize violent and passive alike. Not exactly a postition where they tell you you'll be working in the lowest rent neighborhoods (that's all the state will spend the money on) or that you'll be in close proximilty to violent people.
Have fun in the UK, my gun toting, 'violent,' 'American' a$$ will gladly be staying where I don't have to wait on a bobby with a stick for personal defense. There's no chance I'll ever be darkening your door. Hell I won't even visit my wifes family in Chicago because I can't take my gun, I certainly won't be going to Europe.
-RT76
TreesOfLife
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So I wake up and am watching this video, and think of all the people who think guns are the problem. This will show you the results of gun control.
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Rob Roy
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Everbody has the inalienable right to defend themselves. To those who want to take away a persons right to defend themselves I ask how will you accomplish this? Will you have men with badges and guns use THEIR guns to take mine even though I threaten nobody? That seems contradictory.
The Warlord
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Heard on the radio this morning there is a U.S. car dealership giving away ak-47's with every vehicle sold as a promotion. Now THAT is American!!!!!
TreesOfLife
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http://www.infowars.com/missouri-dealership-gives-away-ak-47-with-purchase-of-new-truck/ The reporter lady is a hater.
CrackerJax
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Guns can be obtained by criminals in the UK.... so i don't know where you are coming from.yeah, don't get me wrong about that, if someone braks into your house, you should have every right to do whatever you want.
but that's skipping a point, he's a one off, never heard anything like that since really, in the UK we don't need that right to protect ou=rselves in our home in any way we like, sure it's right that you have it, but whether we had it or not, we wouldn't need it, as the guy coming through the door on the whole, is not that much of a threat.
if someone kicked in my door and tried to nick my tele, i wouldn't need to turn around and shoot him, i know what i'm up against, not a gun! so i'll just pick up my 4 foot cfl and give him the cock slap of his life!
and man, 2 me vs american gun lovers threads going at once, i'm getting worked up keeping upto speed with the anti-gun defense
someone shoot me now! (y'all prolly wondering where the fron of the line is
Okay, a man comes into my house in the middle of the night unannounced, uninvited. I have two things by my bed. A bat and a revolver. In your world, I am supposed to pick up the bat?
How do you know the man in your house is a burglar anyways? Do you ask him politely? It's quite ridiculous.
In America, my home is still my castle, and in my state, any uninvited intruder may be dispatched wherever I encounter him/her. As it should be.
Your home is not your castle......
PS.... What about senior citizens? Are they also supposed to beat off thirty year old men with bats? Quite ridiculous.....
RetiredToker76
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Hey Cracker, when the sh1t hits the fan... whose house we meeting at, mine our yours? Guess it comes down to who has more ammo since lead is so heavy to transport.
-RT76
CrackerJax
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One well placed bullet can stop a mob....
The Warlord
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But its more fun with a submachine gun......
stalebiscuit
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my ccw is in the mail, rockin a cz75 BD (all who want a good handgun should look at cz)
The Warlord
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cz. Is that a check or israeli gun or? Heard of them just cant remember.
CrackerJax
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Czech. HK makes some snazzy autos as well
lopezri,
We will line up on this wall with our guns.
You line up over their with your.........flowers, I guess.
For someone who doesn't seem to like guns you seem to like fireing squads.
Maybe we just hold on to our guns thank you.
That way you will know who to fear, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slKNd22GGaQ
We will line up on this wall with our guns.
You line up over their with your.........flowers, I guess.
For someone who doesn't seem to like guns you seem to like fireing squads.
Maybe we just hold on to our guns thank you.
That way you will know who to fear, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slKNd22GGaQ