On Gun Control ...

personally i feel that there should be no restrictions of any kind on buying firearms.

even if someone has a mental illness, or a felon, or whatever guns can be found on the gray markets (gun shows and loop holes) or on straight up black markets.

becoming a more civilized society, only means that we are becoming a more controlled society. a more controlled society, is a society that is at the will of its government, which is never a good thing.

sure with everyone having weapons, people will get killed... but people get killed anyway. i think if everyone was armed, there would be a sharp rise in violent crimes, followed by an even sharper decrease.. all the riff raff would quickly clear itself out
 
LET'S ALL SURRENDER OUR WEAPONS -- YOU FIRST!
by Ann Coulter
April 8, 2009

The rash of recent shooting incidents has led people who wouldn't know an AK-47 from a paintball gun to issue demands for more restrictions on guns. To be sure, it's hard to find any factor in these shootings that could be responsible -- other than the gun.

So far, this year's public multiple shootings were committed by:

-- Richard Poplawski, 23, product of a broken family, expelled from high school and dishonorably discharged from the Marines, who killed three policemen in Pittsburgh.

-- Former crack addict Jiverly Wong, 41, who told co-workers "America sucks" yet somehow was not offered a job as a speechwriter for Barack Obama. Wong blockaded his victims in a civic center in Binghamton, N.Y., and shot as many people as he could, before killing himself.

-- Robert Stewart, 45, a three-time divorcee and high school dropout with "violent tendencies" -- according to one of his ex-wives -- who shot up the nursing home in Carthage, N.C., where his newly estranged wife worked.

-- Lovelle Mixon, 26, a paroled felon, struggling to get his life back on track by pimping, who shot four cops in Oakland, Calif. -- before eventually being shot himself.

-- Twenty-eight-year-old Michael McLendon, child of divorce, living with his mother and boycotting family funerals because he hated his relatives, who killed 10 of those relatives and their neighbors in Samson, Ala.

It might make more sense to outlaw men than guns. Or divorce. Or crack. Or to prohibit felons from having guns. Except we already outlaw crack and felons owning guns and yet still, somehow, Wong got crack and Mixon got a gun.

After being pulled over for a routine traffic violation, Lovelle Mixon did exactly what they teach in driver's ed by immediately shooting four cops. Mixon's supporters held a posthumous rally in his honor, claiming he shot the cops only in "self-defense," which I take it includes the cop Mixon shot while the officer was lying on the ground.

I guess Mixon also raped that 12-year-old girl in "self-defense." Clearly, the pimping industry has lost a good man. I wish I'd known him. I tip my green velvet fedora with the dollar signs all over it to him. Why do the good ones always die young? Pimps, I mean.

Liberals tolerate rallies on behalf of cop-killers, but they prohibit law-abiding citizens working at community centers in Binghamton, N.Y., from being armed to defend themselves from disturbed, crack-addicted America-haters like Jiverly Wong.

It's something in liberals' DNA: They think they can pass a law eliminating guns and nuclear weapons, but teenagers having sex is completely beyond our control.

The demand for more gun control in response to any crime involving a gun is exactly like Obama's response to North Korea's openly belligerent act of launching a long-range missile this week: Obama leapt to action by calling for worldwide nuclear disarmament.

If the SAT test were used to determine how stupid a liberal is, one question would be: "The best defense against lawless rogues who possess _______ is for law-abiding individuals to surrender their own _______________."

Correct answer: Guns. We would also have accepted nuclear weapons.

Obama explained that "the United States has a moral responsibility" to lead disarmament efforts because America is "the only nuclear power to have used a nuclear weapon."

So don't go feeling all morally superior to a country whose business model consists of exporting heroin, nuclear bombs and counterfeit U.S. dollars, and of importing Swedish prostitutes, you yahoo Americans with your little flag lapel pins.

On the other hand, the Japanese haven't acted up much in the last, say, 64 years ...

Fortunately, our sailors didn't wait around for Obama to save them when Somali pirates boarded their ship this week. Stop right now or I'll ask the U.N. to remind the "international community" that "the U.S. is not at war with Somali pirates."

Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy Europeans. This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali pirate.

Police -- whom I gather liberals intend to continue having guns -- and intrepid U.N. resolution drafters can't be everywhere, all the time.

If a single civilian in that Binghamton community center had been armed, instead of 14 dead, there might have only been one or two -- including the shooter. In the end, the cops didn't stop Wong. His killing spree ended only when he decided to stop, and he killed himself.

"The shooter will eventually run out of ammo" strategy may not be the best one for stopping deranged multiple murderers.

But it's highly unlikely that any community center in the entire state would be safe from a disturbed former crack-addict like Wong because New York's restrictive gun laws require a citizen to prove he has a need for a gun to obtain a concealed carry permit.

Instead of having Planned Parenthood distribute condoms in schools, they ought to get the NRA to pass out revolvers. It would save more lives.

Good article, glad to see there are some conservative potheads on here.


Gun Control is the ability of making each shot count. 1 shot, 1 kill.


Epic win!
 
guns are illegal in chicago new york . gary indiana and washinton DC.
just so if you didnt notice all of these areas have the highest levels of gun violence.
SO IF YOUR GUN CONTROL SCHEMES WORKED WHY ARNT THEY WORKING in all of these other places?
gun ownership and the second amendment has NOTHING to do with protecting your home from a burglar.
it is to protect your freedom from your government.
 
guns are illegal in chicago new york . gary indiana and washinton DC.
just so if you didnt notice all of these areas have the highest levels of gun violence.
SO IF YOUR GUN CONTROL SCHEMES WORKED WHY ARNT THEY WORKING in all of these other places?
gun ownership and the second amendment has NOTHING to do with protecting your home from a burglar.
it is to protect your freedom from your government.

Preach Brother, Preach!
 
I'll make this short and simple..

I'll gladly hand over my guns when I'm issued a security patrol for each member of my family. This person must stay with us 100% of the time, be a crack shot that never misses, and be completely selfless and uncorruptible.

I should not have to pay a monthly fee for this service nor should my taxes be increased because of it. That is the ONLY way I'm handing over my guns.

-RT76
 
BTW, how do people answer questions 12e on the FFL 4473 about being an 'unlawful user or addicted to' marijuana?
What if you are a lawful user in California but you know damn well that it is unlawful federally?
 
There are other ways of gun control other than a government gun grab or outright banning sales. There could be extravagent taxation on ammunition, and components of ammunition, requiring the serialization of ammo, and even only allowing people to buy a certain amount of ammo a month.

History has shown that gun control is a very bad thing, for example nazi germany. All citizens were eventually forced to turn over their weapons and look what happened, the people were helpless under the government rule. Another example is China of what happens when the citizens are unarmed. Look at what little freedoms the people over there have, and the amount of government control in their lives.
 
Just to be clear, in Nazi Germany, no full blooded German had to turn in their guns. The rest of the population did however....
 
Are you insane or have you NOT been paying attention?





“CHICAGO (CBS) — 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer; Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq
“An estimated 125 people were shot and killed over the summer. That’s nearly double the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.
“In May, cbs2chicago.com began tracking city shootings and posting them on Google maps. Information compiled from our reporters, wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 125 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1.
According to the Defense Department, 65 U.S. soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq. About the same number were killed in Afghanistan over that same period.



Now just a little FYI, Chicago has a gun control law. It's is illegal to own a hand gun within the city of Chicago.

So here's a city with a gun control law that has more deaths than a war zone, 2 war zones actually.

Gun control laws only disarm law abiding citizens. The criminals don't turn their guns in, they keep them and use them with less fear of being shot back. ...:dunce:

that's a stupid thing to look at to make a point. chicago is not in a sealed off cucoon, so law is the way it is! if they ban guns in the city, it's nothing to do with not handing them in, well not totally, but anyone can go out or in to get a gun.

it would be like banning marijuana in amsterdam, you think that the quantity smoked in the city is gonna drop, there's too much in the rest of the country to let this happen. you're in a cycle!

criminals buy a pistol/steal a pistol, joe blogs buys a shotgun to defend his house.

criminal realises his pistol is not as dangerous and intimidating as joe blogs shotgun, so buys a mac10

joe bloggs doesn't like the idea of a mac10, he's gotta be able to get more shots off to stay safe, so he buys an mp5

it keeps going.... but for some reason americans don't seem to want to take this into account, ever! it's always about the self defene need, not the fact theiry're fueling the need for self defence in suhc an extrenme manner
 
that's a stupid thing to look at to make a point. chicago is not in a sealed off cucoon, so law is the way it is! if they ban guns in the city, it's nothing to do with not handing them in, well not totally, but anyone can go out or in to get a gun.

it would be like banning marijuana in amsterdam, you think that the quantity smoked in the city is gonna drop, there's too much in the rest of the country to let this happen. you're in a cycle!

criminals buy a pistol/steal a pistol, joe blogs buys a shotgun to defend his house.

criminal realises his pistol is not as dangerous and intimidating as joe blogs shotgun, so buys a mac10

joe bloggs doesn't like the idea of a mac10, he's gotta be able to get more shots off to stay safe, so he buys an mp5

it keeps going.... but for some reason americans don't seem to want to take this into account, ever! it's always about the self defene need, not the fact theiry're fueling the need for self defence in suhc an extrenme manner

Gun control isn't going to magically stop criminals from getting weapons, even nationwide it will fail.

And while your little pea-sized European countries with their minimal amounts of coast line may make for the ideal platform for dictatorial nanny-states, the United States with its abundant bodies of water (Atlantic, Pacific, Great Lakes, Gulf Coast, does not. Then there are the thousands of miles of borders that we share with Mexico and Canada. Government's attempts at gun control in the United States are doomed to failure, as any criminal that really wants outlawed weapons can easily smuggle them into the country with a little planning.
 
Gun control isn't going to magically stop criminals from getting weapons, even nationwide it will fail.

And while your little pea-sized European countries with their minimal amounts of coast line may make for the ideal platform for dictatorial nanny-states, the United States with its abundant bodies of water (Atlantic, Pacific, Great Lakes, Gulf Coast, does not. Then there are the thousands of miles of borders that we share with Mexico and Canada. Government's attempts at gun control in the United States are doomed to failure, as any criminal that really wants outlawed weapons can easily smuggle them into the country with a little planning.

bigger coasts does not mean more guns per person. you got bigger coats, along with a bigger population, it wouldcould still work out at the same amount of illegal firearms coming in ratio wise, which is what's imoprtant. io do take this kind of thing into account for example, we have had gun masacres in the UK, and everyones argument against the american counterparts is "yeah but think how silly small uk is in comparison"

well in comparison, the ratio isn't the same, you still got crazy more happenings per square ile or whatnot..

and of course it's not gonna stop them getting guns, we have been seeing a rise in gun crime in london of late, but it's still a crazy small unmber in comparisson, and it's still damned hard to find a pistol. i know a LOT of the wrong people, jsut from where i've lived, partied etc etc, and i only know of one place (person) where i'd be able to pick up a pistol for myself, and don't even go there with the price.

on my first visit to america i found myself standing outside a fu** off big gun shop within an hour of arriving in san rafiel. (think that's what it's called, over side of the bay from san fransisco)

gun control really doesn't need to be argued though, the statistics tell EVERYTHING.

america has stupid number of gun killings, stupid number of slaughters, guns everywhere, people buying up big guns out of fear for protection.

briton has gun control, none of this really, and it's not because the goverment controls us, we've made it clear to the goverment that we don't want te guns. did you see how much outcry there was over issueing tasers alone. so it's not a querstion of happiness and freedom, it's not needed, it's as simple as that.

you've all gottn yourselves in a sitaution, and you all try and argue out of it for the very simple reason that there is no way out. you'll never manage to curb guns now there are so many in circulation, it's akin to a nationwide ban of smoking..

enter the phrase "who're you trying to convince, me or you?" as i think near everyone out there not in america, or a gun free country, goes along with my thinking there and abouts.
 
oh, and quick thought

basically, you'd rather than a burglar has a gun, so that you can scare him away by shooting your gun.

in the UK, if a burglar comes a knocking, we scare him off with a swinging bat. not by trying to kill his ass. from that, it would seem like you're all completely fucked in the head when it comes to morals. you seem to class liberty as being able to shoot someone dead, that's called sick in the head, but then again, we can see this attitude literally everywhere, from the armed forces, to average joe sitting on the porch with a magnum :) any excuse to shoot at someone innit.
 
Yes burglars probably deserve to die. They are scum of the worst kind. I have no respect for life unless it is earned by being a good person. Bad people? Fuck em. They're useless. Your entire country should be ashamed of putting that fellow in prison for killing that burglar. Please go break him out now. Put a file in a cake or something damnit! :)
 
yeah, don't get me wrong about that, if someone braks into your house, you should have every right to do whatever you want.

but that's skipping a point, he's a one off, never heard anything like that since really, in the UK we don't need that right to protect ou=rselves in our home in any way we like, sure it's right that you have it, but whether we had it or not, we wouldn't need it, as the guy coming through the door on the whole, is not that much of a threat.

if someone kicked in my door and tried to nick my tele, i wouldn't need to turn around and shoot him, i know what i'm up against, not a gun! so i'll just pick up my 4 foot cfl and give him the cock slap of his life!

and man, 2 me vs american gun lovers threads going at once, i'm getting worked up keeping upto speed with the anti-gun defense :D
someone shoot me now! (y'all prolly wondering where the fron of the line is :P)
 
:P Na were just having fun. I think it's gonna be agree to disagree since our viewpoints are totally oposite(and rather strange I think on your part). Anyways no worries mate!
 
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bigger coasts does not mean more guns per person. you got bigger coats, along with a bigger population, it wouldcould still work out at the same amount of illegal firearms coming in ratio wise, which is what's imoprtant. io do take this kind of thing into account for example, we have had gun masacres in the UK, and everyones argument against the american counterparts is "yeah but think how silly small uk is in comparison"

well in comparison, the ratio isn't the same, you still got crazy more happenings per square ile or whatnot..

and of course it's not gonna stop them getting guns, we have been seeing a rise in gun crime in london of late, but it's still a crazy small unmber in comparisson, and it's still damned hard to find a pistol. i know a LOT of the wrong people, jsut from where i've lived, partied etc etc, and i only know of one place (person) where i'd be able to pick up a pistol for myself, and don't even go there with the price.

on my first visit to america i found myself standing outside a fu** off big gun shop within an hour of arriving in san rafiel. (think that's what it's called, over side of the bay from san fransisco)

gun control really doesn't need to be argued though, the statistics tell EVERYTHING.

america has stupid number of gun killings, stupid number of slaughters, guns everywhere, people buying up big guns out of fear for protection.

briton has gun control, none of this really, and it's not because the goverment controls us, we've made it clear to the goverment that we don't want te guns. did you see how much outcry there was over issueing tasers alone. so it's not a querstion of happiness and freedom, it's not needed, it's as simple as that.

you've all gottn yourselves in a sitaution, and you all try and argue out of it for the very simple reason that there is no way out. you'll never manage to curb guns now there are so many in circulation, it's akin to a nationwide ban of smoking..

enter the phrase "who're you trying to convince, me or you?" as i think near everyone out there not in america, or a gun free country, goes along with my thinking there and abouts.

First of all I'd like to point out that the UK has a HIGHER percentage of crime related deaths than the US. That's CRIME related deaths, not gun related deaths. Of those deaths the higher death percentage is of innocent people, not criminals. There's a movement in the UK to ban bladed weapons too. This 'ban' would required most house holds surrender their chef's knives.

The UK also has a law that you can defend yourself with a blade, IF your blade is shorter than your assailants. So a 5 foot 4 inch woman against a 6 foot 2 inch criminal who has a longer physical reach is 'allowed' to use a longer blade to attack his victim than the victim is allowed to defend herself with.

Go ahead ban guns, make them impossible to get, criminals will go for the next best thing. Make the next best thing available and criminals will go for the third best thing. Next thing you know clothes will be banned because criminals are using them to strangle people. Cars will be banned long before clothes. You could go on forever. In fact Briton did, with Scotland. Completely banned them from training with swords, so the Scottish trained with farming implements and rocks.

The day the government values the rights over a home invader MORE than it values my rights is the day I leave that country. Someone comes into my house intent on harming my family they will find themselves full of holes and having a very difficult time breathing.

My sister lives in Washington DC a place where getting caught with a gun for protection is worse than killing someone with a knife. She goes to work every morning with a fear of getting mugged, she hates that law abiding citizens can't have weapons of self defense there and she's 'pro-control' too! She was mugged at knife point in Paris, they left her a nice scare on her side to remind her that she was following the law and not carrying any defensive materials.

Keep living in your little bubble that the UK is such a wonderful place. The bottom line is my government fears me and I wouldn't have it any other way. There's a reason we're US citizens and you're a subject.

-RT76
 
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