One candle = 1/4 lb co2 per 12 hours
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Piratemccall
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That is just to show the long explanation for anyone who seriously doubts. You can google a dozen sources in 5 seconds to tell you a candle burns 10-12 grams of co2 per hour. That's not controversial.
charface
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So you lost me in the math,
What is the takeaway.
Is it ultimately just as effective to burn candles?
gjs4786
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That's fine. So why do Co2 generators create up to 20,000 BTUs an hour while a candle only gives off a 100? That's what I'm having trouble with.
Piratemccall
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I don't know, why do people spend $60 for a gallon of "Grow" water when ammonium sulfate costs pennies?
Piratemccall
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The take away is, assuming you can rig it in such a way as to not burn your house down ( I have faith!
) then burning 4 paraffin candles 12 hours a day is the equivalent of emptying a 20 lb co2 tank every 2 weeks or so.
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gjs4786
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Get a Co2 meter and give it a shot. You're the OP, it's in your hands to deliver some actual dataI don't know, why do people spend $60 for a gallon of "Grow" water when ammonium sulfate costs pennies?
xtsho
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My post was for the fire risk. Most tents are lined with mylar which is pretty fire resistant but the outer material is not. There is also the issue with paraffin based candles emitting toxic chemicals like toluene and benzene. Paraffin wax is a petroleum by-product that is created from the sludge waste when crude oil is refined into gasoline. I rarely burn candles but when I do they are always beeswax or soy based.
Piratemccall
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I hear you, but think about this, weed growers adapted a lot of the pre-existing technology of the world to weed, it wasn't "invented" for a home grow. A co2 generator can be built powerful as fuck, fill up HUGE greenhouses in minute. You can adjust it, control it. It's an industrial machine, built for industrial applications. Hell yeah it can be adapted to growing weed at home! But, like, my rooms are 10 X 10. It's not a 100 x 100 green house. You can used powerful machinery, capable of blasting co2, but think about it, 10 x 10, easier ways to raise co2. You can't regulate it (except by blowing out candles) or set on timer, or flood 3000 ppm in the next minute if you so chose, but.... 1 lb 1.5 lbs co2 a day.
SPLFreak808
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Sorry, i should have said all smoke is bad for plants and in excessive amounts will clog/slow the stomatas.
eyderbuddy
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I'm just in to see the development of this thread. I support speculative posting.
Piratemccall
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Also, if you'll notice, I adjusted the formula. The guy who posted that estimated the burn rate of paraffin to be about half of what it is, thus decreasing the co2 potency of his figures by half
Piratemccall
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... And the astute observer could deduce from that you could increase the output of each individual candle by increasing the diameter of the wickAlso, if you'll notice, I adjusted the formula. The guy who posted that estimated the burn rate of paraffin to be about half of what it is, thus decreasing the co2 potency of his figures by half
Piratemccall
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The "room must be sealed" thing is way overblown. Does a room need to be sealed to ensure 0% leakage of every extra molecule of co2 you create? Yes. That doesn't mean you can't elevate the average level of co2 in the air. Again, in a 3 x 3 tent, it'd be slightly trickier (though still easily doable. this isn't a raging inferno. Maybe the word paraffin is making it sound scary? We're talking every day candles. I'm sure the average guy smart enough set up a grow can figure out some safe combination of candle + water + cup
and, you get the added satisfaction of knowing you're including all 4 elements in your grow: Earth, air, water, & fire )So, any time your room isn't 100% sealed there'd be leakage. Ok. you could figure out the half life of your bonus co2 at any given time with the rate your air is 100% recycled. If you're in some 200 degree 2 foot tent recycling your air every 15 seconds, it wont work. But, bare bones, 4 candles will be producing a pound of co2 a 12 hour day, the same as if you'd just released a lb of co2 from a tank that day, it's up to the grower to figure if and when a candle, or 4, or 10 can be burnt, either continuously or intermittently, in their particular environment.
whitebb2727
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I mean plants make oxygen. That's why co2 burners work in sealed rooms.
Piratemccall
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I'm not one to tell anyone to do something they think is unhealthy, but look at the sources. The people who write about the toxicities of paraffin candles, kinda the crystal-wearing wellness sect, then look that it's and extremely basic substance, pure paraffin wax is lab tested OSHA approved as non toxic, and it should be noted that most all carcinogens are attributed to aromatic additives. So don't use scented candles if you're worried. But we are talking about regular, run of the mill, most widely used candles on earth. Broccoli has carcinogens. Really, what you would worry most about a candle is the co2, which is exactly what you're going for. You don't live in your grow room anyway. If you did, you'd produce enough co2 on your own... Honestly, it boils down to, would you be worried about having something like this on your desk? if yes, then don't consider candles. If something like this on a desk wouldn't freak you out, go for it.
gjs4786
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I have to disagree, carbon monoxide (CO) is what you want to watch out for.I'm not one to tell anyone to do something they think is unhealthy, but look at the sources. The people who write about the toxicities of paraffin candles, kinda the crystal-wearing wellness sect, then look that it's and extremely basic substance, pure paraffin wax is lab tested OSHA approved as non toxic, and it should be noted that most all carcinogens are attributed to aromatic additives. So don't use scented candles if you're worried. But we are talking about regular, run of the mill, most widely used candles on earth. Broccoli has carcinogens. Really, what you would worry most about a candle is the co2, which is exactly what you're going for. You don't live in your grow room anyway. If you did, you'd produce enough co2 on your own... Honestly, it boils down to, would you be worried about having something like this on your desk? if yes, then don't consider candles. If something like this on a desk wouldn't freak you out, go for it.
coreywebster
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I think my circulation fans would blow out the candles.
dstroy
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This is the most shitposty shitpost I've read on here in a while.
Only a fucking idiot would leave an open flame unattended in an enclosed space.
There are CO2 generators which burn propane or NG cleanly (with no CANDLE SOOT) that have been purposefully designed to:
1. Be convenient
2. Are safe when mounted correctly
3. They don't make candle soot all over your nice? buds from the ten open, unattended flames that you put in your grow tent cause you're a fuckin genius. hurrr
Are you going to mount an old timey mine candle lantern in your tent?
Guess what those are fuckin prone to starting fires too.
This is like next level stupid. Buy the thing that was purpose built for the environment it is being used in and is generally considered safe. Or go flameless and bring in bottles.
A grow room environment isn't a fucking desk in your office, moron.
Don't burn your shit down. Honestly, I'm more concerned about your neighbors than I am about you.
Only a fucking idiot would leave an open flame unattended in an enclosed space.
There are CO2 generators which burn propane or NG cleanly (with no CANDLE SOOT) that have been purposefully designed to:
1. Be convenient
2. Are safe when mounted correctly
3. They don't make candle soot all over your nice? buds from the ten open, unattended flames that you put in your grow tent cause you're a fuckin genius. hurrr
Are you going to mount an old timey mine candle lantern in your tent?
Guess what those are fuckin prone to starting fires too.This is like next level stupid. Buy the thing that was purpose built for the environment it is being used in and is generally considered safe. Or go flameless and bring in bottles.
A grow room environment isn't a fucking desk in your office, moron.
Don't burn your shit down. Honestly, I'm more concerned about your neighbors than I am about you.
Piratemccall
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C'mon bro, first you were worried house would burn down, then that the flame would burn all the oxygen, now you're worried about carbon monoxide? Which is it?
Other people are worried about benzene and toluene, "clogging and slowing stomata with smoke"... Well, then, if it's carbon monoxide that you're now worried about, you don't need to worry at all!!! It's a candle, bro. candles produce spurts, just tiny spurts, of carbon monoxide in the smoke when you blow them out. You can find an article talking about the "sulfur poisoning" when you light the match that lights the candle, but let's be real. When there is a flame, the carbon monoxide is so, so infinitesimally small, that.... they're able to make a cheap as hell product known as a "candle", lab tested, grandmother approved, enjoyed the world over, every day in a variety of applications Even the people who ARE afraid of candles aren't afraid of carbon monoxide! They are afraid of other things they shouldn't be afraid of, like "benzene and toluene" oooh... (Here's a study showing no benzene) If you want visual aid, here. This is a guy who IS afraid of carbon monoxide in candles!!! And, he feels he has proof, and made a video to warn people.. I don't know the man, but I will go ahead and classify him as a bummbling idiot of the highest regard, and his own video proves it a half dozen ways.. Can you find them? It's like Where's Waldo
... Don't be like this dude... as an aid, here is a list of various agency standards for carbon monoxide:https://carbonmonoxidemyths.com/the-facts/
And... a reminder what we're talking about:
I mean, I don't know what to say. I don't know how much documentation is needed here. I never guessed so many people were afraid of candles.
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