wyteberrywidow
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First off the link does not work.. 2.I never said they dont work i said they dont beat hps watt for watt and ive yet to see it proven.The people who did try this never gave results i wonder why????
Opinions on LED's?
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oJUICEBOXo
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exactly!................
Interesting discussion I seem to have provoked here!
Well after doing a bit of research, I think heat will be a major constraint in using a HID system. While looking around I stumbled across this:
http://www.aquaculture-hydroponics.co.uk/product.aspx?categoryID=475&subCategoryID=475&productID=1745
I was attracted by how it says "It can take the place of HID lighting in grow rooms that are less than 1.5m in height". As my grow tent is about 1.5m tall. Also from the brief research I have done, I believe I will need 2 bulbs for the grow (a redder one for flowering correct?)
Many thanks
Well after doing a bit of research, I think heat will be a major constraint in using a HID system. While looking around I stumbled across this:
http://www.aquaculture-hydroponics.co.uk/product.aspx?categoryID=475&subCategoryID=475&productID=1745
I was attracted by how it says "It can take the place of HID lighting in grow rooms that are less than 1.5m in height". As my grow tent is about 1.5m tall. Also from the brief research I have done, I believe I will need 2 bulbs for the grow (a redder one for flowering correct?)
Many thanks
tybudz
Active Member
still havent seen pics for a 23 oz dired plant from 1 600w.. like you said it was two 600w so cut that crop in half and I bet i can do that with those strain of 2 of my 90w..
tybudz
Active Member
:1 ratio (R:B), 72 Red LED's, 18 Blue
No Bulbs to Replace, No Maintenance Expenses
7'x7' coverage area
400-600 Watt HPS Equivalent
Discreet - No thermal footprint
No additional cooling equipment required
Safe to operate - no exploding bulbs & will not burn plants
Weighs only 7 lbs - no ballast required
50,000+ hour life cycle Environmentally Safe - contains no hazardous materials
Equivalent to over a 400-600 Watt HPS Bulb
5th Generation Newest Model
Uses Bridge Lux Bulbs
Super Low Power Consumption
Low Heat Displacement
CE and RoHS compliance
High efficiency, save energy, minimal maintenance cost
1 year warranty
No Bulbs to Replace, No Maintenance Expenses
7'x7' coverage area
400-600 Watt HPS Equivalent
Discreet - No thermal footprint
No additional cooling equipment required
Safe to operate - no exploding bulbs & will not burn plants
Weighs only 7 lbs - no ballast required
50,000+ hour life cycle Environmentally Safe - contains no hazardous materials
Equivalent to over a 400-600 Watt HPS Bulb
5th Generation Newest Model
Uses Bridge Lux Bulbs
Super Low Power Consumption
Low Heat Displacement
CE and RoHS compliance
High efficiency, save energy, minimal maintenance cost
1 year warranty
Serapis
Well-Known Member
I sure do. You are an insultive, abusive, harrassing poster that is in a thread that he KNOWS NOTHING about. I've already reported two of your insulting posts with your name calling. I take offense to being called a cocksucker from a nobody on the net that doesn't even know me.
I know for a fact that LED lights outproduce HID watt for watt and they save a lot in energy. they are the new green.
I suggest you drop the name calling and start posting in a civilized manner, or no one here is going to care who you think you are, because you just won't be here at all...
gom
Active Member
ok first off you don't know how to find a thread. Should I go over how to cut and paste, or do you think you can handle that. Then there is this thing called search. It's really cool and it works. But for you lazy asses its on the same page as this thread so go read.
Also like I said do your homework. I wouldn't consider a UFO under 7th generation.
Also like I said do your homework. I wouldn't consider a UFO under 7th generation.
Serapis
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You do this on EVERY LED post that comes out. I suggested you do some research, not start calling people names. That's just pathetic...
oJUICEBOXo
Active Member
I took offense to this hostile attitude you took against me in this post when all I said is that LED's aren't worth the money for what he was trying to do with egay fucking LED panels. Get off my dick serapis.....fuck. The reason I oppose them is because every fucking LED supporter downs HID when in fact they are superior to LED's in every aspect except power consumption and heat. It seems like every trendy douche that read an LED article and nutted over it wants to talk all this false shit about how LED's are better than HID when they are not! For Christs sake man all I said was that the Ebay panel sucked. LED's have a LONG way to come before they compete with HID you can't argue that....report me all you want I haven't said anything untrue in any of my posts. If anyone should be reported it's you for spreading false bullshit information....You bash LEDs every time I see the subject being brought up. I'd like to suggest you follow your own advice and Google the subject topic. You have a lot to learn. At least then you can cite studies and actual grows..... oh wait, if you did that, you would be a proponent of LED lights...
To the OP, ignore the close minded ones that can't cite facts or figures but just say LEDs suck. Here is an actual grow you can follow that proves LEDs outperform HIDs watt for watt...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=160480
There are many more threads just like this one, just search for them.
Serapis
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You were reported for your abusive language. Now you are just showing ignorance in LED technology. Had the LED grow I cited also used 400W worth of LED light, it would have blown the hid grow to hell and back. As it is, it was very near the same weight and used 195 watts less!
The facts are, LED lighting (I'm not referring to bs $35 panels) wins watt for watt, hands down. It also produces the bud at a much lower cost of electricity without wasting 85% of the light spectrum that plants can't benefit from. Just as incandescence dies, so will high intensity discharge lamps. They are a waste of money when it comes to wasted electricity.
As more locations decriminalize marijuana or allow it's medical use, indoor grows are going to come under scrutiny for the amount of electricity that they use up. It's a shame that about 80-85% of that electricity is wasted and then additional electricity is needed to cool the grow room and exhaust the heat.
I spent a long time reading up on LEDs and learning the ropes about them, subbing and watching comparison grows, and asking a lot of questions before I spent my money on lighting. I know what i'm talking about, unlike yourself that is just ranting and calling other people names. I'm going through your profile and looking at other posts you have made in other threads regarding LEDs and you trash them all, not just the eBay panel cited in this thread.
Do yourself a favor and read up on them. High Times did a great story a couple of issues ago and did their own comparison grow. The guys that put out a magazine covering our hobby all agreed LED is here and it does work. If you are going to refute that, at least use facts, not names.
The facts are, LED lighting (I'm not referring to bs $35 panels) wins watt for watt, hands down. It also produces the bud at a much lower cost of electricity without wasting 85% of the light spectrum that plants can't benefit from. Just as incandescence dies, so will high intensity discharge lamps. They are a waste of money when it comes to wasted electricity.
As more locations decriminalize marijuana or allow it's medical use, indoor grows are going to come under scrutiny for the amount of electricity that they use up. It's a shame that about 80-85% of that electricity is wasted and then additional electricity is needed to cool the grow room and exhaust the heat.
I spent a long time reading up on LEDs and learning the ropes about them, subbing and watching comparison grows, and asking a lot of questions before I spent my money on lighting. I know what i'm talking about, unlike yourself that is just ranting and calling other people names. I'm going through your profile and looking at other posts you have made in other threads regarding LEDs and you trash them all, not just the eBay panel cited in this thread.
Do yourself a favor and read up on them. High Times did a great story a couple of issues ago and did their own comparison grow. The guys that put out a magazine covering our hobby all agreed LED is here and it does work. If you are going to refute that, at least use facts, not names.
wyteberrywidow
Global
Show me where you get a pound or close to it with 2 90 watt leds.Please do.You can get a pound easy with a 600.
wyteberrywidow
Global
thank you.
oJUICEBOXo
Active Member
Jesus that's all my point was...thanks DSB65....if only people could read english...
Serapis
Well-Known Member
85% of an hid lamp's light is wasted light that the plant cannot use. It's science. You haven't provided a single fact Juicebox. All you have done is refute others by using names.
Again I cite actual facts and results. The link I provided has this result.....
205w Penetrator Led 203 grams total.
400w Hid (Metal Halide) 276 grams total.
Now let's break that down, watt for watt and see how much bud is produced per watt....
The LED light produced about 1 gram per watt. The hid lamp produced 0.69 grams per watt. Which light is more energy efficient? The LED light at one gram per watt, obviously. Now had 400W of LED light been used in the same grow, it is possible the LED lights would have produced 400 grams to the hid's 276 grams. Again, which light is more efficient? It's basic math.
AS more people gain the ability to grow legally, there is going to be a larger strain on the electrical grid to provide that additional power. Sooner or later, hid bulbs will become as scarce as incandescents.
Now take a look at my post Juicebox, I was able to make my point without calling you any names. Give it a try, because I'm sure Pot Roast is going to get tired of hearing your name in abuse reports.
Again I cite actual facts and results. The link I provided has this result.....
205w Penetrator Led 203 grams total.
400w Hid (Metal Halide) 276 grams total.
Now let's break that down, watt for watt and see how much bud is produced per watt....
The LED light produced about 1 gram per watt. The hid lamp produced 0.69 grams per watt. Which light is more energy efficient? The LED light at one gram per watt, obviously. Now had 400W of LED light been used in the same grow, it is possible the LED lights would have produced 400 grams to the hid's 276 grams. Again, which light is more efficient? It's basic math.
AS more people gain the ability to grow legally, there is going to be a larger strain on the electrical grid to provide that additional power. Sooner or later, hid bulbs will become as scarce as incandescents.
Now take a look at my post Juicebox, I was able to make my point without calling you any names. Give it a try, because I'm sure Pot Roast is going to get tired of hearing your name in abuse reports.
Serapis
Well-Known Member
Link on page 2 of this thread, also you can go to www.hightimes.com and search for LED for their grow and articles, and search our very own forums here.
wyteberrywidow
Global
I hear all the talk about what a led could do but never seen it out perform a hid.The only thing i saw was it coming close to mh and again mh is not ideal for flowering.So if you can show me where leds beat hps then ill shut up.