Oregon homeless camp bill
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Shelters are worst than prison, they are dehumanizing with ridiculous rules that dont make sense they dont help keep people off streets.
i have volunteered here for several unhoused encampments etc.
a typical shelter is the following, you cannot bring anything personal inside, so what little you do have personal items etc must be left outside.
you must be in waiting line and ready to enter at x time, and leave asap at 4-5am
you cannot bring any food in, or be on drugs or alcohol now this in itself in inherently a problem
for those of you who are so concerned with mental illness should know several mental disorders left untreated can be similar symptoms of alcoholism, detoxing or drug abuse.
Drug and alcoholism is not a unhoused persons fault many people become addicted, rapdily detoxing someone is not the answer, they need medical attention for that so telling someone who has been an alcoholic for x amount of time they can either have a bed and detox and possibly die or go out side.
it is not a selfishness problem that is a medical condition and disease.
males and females are separated you cannot be with your loved ones if you choose to use a shelter. you are split apart
no behavior of any kind that could be remotely upsetting to staff or your barred and kicked out, you can seen posts on here half the people on here cant even have a respectful discussion so you expect someone whos literally at the worst point in their life to not be upset at something one time?
there are so many other issues this doesnt even cover a smidge of them. it is basic human decency people are loosing, are some mentally ill sure, are some addicted to thing sure are some just people who got into a poor position sure.
stop blanket assessing everyone there is no one cure all for this situation but whats happening right now sure as fuck isnt the resolution.
i have volunteered here for several unhoused encampments etc.
a typical shelter is the following, you cannot bring anything personal inside, so what little you do have personal items etc must be left outside.
you must be in waiting line and ready to enter at x time, and leave asap at 4-5am
you cannot bring any food in, or be on drugs or alcohol now this in itself in inherently a problem
for those of you who are so concerned with mental illness should know several mental disorders left untreated can be similar symptoms of alcoholism, detoxing or drug abuse.
Drug and alcoholism is not a unhoused persons fault many people become addicted, rapdily detoxing someone is not the answer, they need medical attention for that so telling someone who has been an alcoholic for x amount of time they can either have a bed and detox and possibly die or go out side.
it is not a selfishness problem that is a medical condition and disease.
males and females are separated you cannot be with your loved ones if you choose to use a shelter. you are split apart
no behavior of any kind that could be remotely upsetting to staff or your barred and kicked out, you can seen posts on here half the people on here cant even have a respectful discussion so you expect someone whos literally at the worst point in their life to not be upset at something one time?
there are so many other issues this doesnt even cover a smidge of them. it is basic human decency people are loosing, are some mentally ill sure, are some addicted to thing sure are some just people who got into a poor position sure.
stop blanket assessing everyone there is no one cure all for this situation but whats happening right now sure as fuck isnt the resolution.
Fogdog
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Yep, my post that got deleted was weighted too much on the value of that person's word and not on what he said. No complaint.
Fogdog
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I don't know about "worse than prisons" but agree that shelters they are not much of a solution, given all of the restrictions they have. My community is wrestling with what to do but thus far, all we've done is wrestle. Some accommodations have been made to give people living unsheltered better conditions, such as clearing space under overpasses but it's more talk and than action.
BudmanTX
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Meanwhile:
Doesn't Oregon have a Haven for Hope or something comparable?
www.havenforhope.org
and we have a bunch of community outreach as well
just thinking out loud is all
Doesn't Oregon have a Haven for Hope or something comparable?
Haven For Hope
Haven For Hope is More Than A Shelter, It Is A Transformational Campus. Changing Lives In Our Community Every Day.
www.havenforhope.org
and we have a bunch of community outreach as well
just thinking out loud is all
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Many homeless shelters (I could not find numbers) are run as religious missions, with the built-in judgment that homelessness correlates with sin.
The sponsoring denominations tend to be those that have aggressive beliefs regarding proper lifestyle: Mormons, Catholics, Baptists.
Fogdog
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I was just reading up on what my community is doing regarding providing shelters and helping those who prefer to remain unsheltered. It's a complete clusterfuck. There are a lot of different organizations trying to help but they aren't coordinating with each other, which leaves the people in need frustrated and not knowing which way to turn. We have several shelters, a men's shelter, a women's shelter, Youth shelter .... in all at least six shelters or transitional shelters and we have a good number of people who are camping outside. Churches, city government, non-profits, hospitals are all involved. The most damning complaint was a quote from a homeless man who said each agency was different, had different rules and the people who need help are left to figure it out on their own.Meanwhile:
Doesn't Oregon have a Haven for Hope or something comparable?
Haven For Hope
Haven For Hope is More Than A Shelter, It Is A Transformational Campus. Changing Lives In Our Community Every Day.
and we have a bunch of community outreach as well
just thinking out loud is all
I don't want to get into the specifics because I don't want to give away where I live, but I can say that with better leadership statewide and locally, we can do better with what we already have.
I will also say that our governor is making this issue one of her top priorities. Something like 83 million is allocated to go to cities and counties in Oregon this year but it's not just "here you go, do as you will". Kotek is personally involved in administrating that money and she's been quite sharp in her well deserved criticism about the ineptitude shown at the local levels regarding planning and commitment toward resolving this crisis.
This is what is going on at the state and county level:
'They need to get their stuff together': Kotek wants clarity on counties' housing plans
The deadline for counties to finalize their plans for how they will use money allocated in Governer Kotek's
katu.com
Regarding some of the criticism:
SALEM, Ore. — The deadline for counties to finalize their spending plans for money allocated in Gov. Tina Kotek's emergency order was extended; however, the governor says some still missed the mark.
"In Multnomah County, the city of Portland, the city of Gresham the continuum of care here in Portland, resources were tentatively allocated. They need to update their plan to finalize it before we will completely greenlight those dollars," Kotek said.
But it's not all bad news:
Kotek lauded Lane County as having one of the most complete applications from the get-go. The county has more line items than Multnomah when it comes to detailing spending for its plan to increase emergency shelter. Those include requests for $50,000 to rent an emergency shelter and $942,853 to acquire property for shelter. It asks for $500,000 to renovate existing shelters in order to expand, and it asks for funds for increased staff, maintenance and utilities.
Lane County is where the city of Eugene lies.
The video in that link (3 minute listen) gives a view into what the state and and the community governments are doing. There was hardly any action on this issue during the past four years under Kate Brown and so Kotek is practically starting from scratch.
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BudmanTX
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sounds like Kotek has got some work cut out of her.........I was just reading up on what my community is doing regarding providing shelters and helping those who prefer to remain unsheltered. It's a complete clusterfuck. There are a lot of different organizations trying to help but they aren't coordinating with each other, which leaves the people in need frustrated and not knowing which way to turn. We have several shelters, a men's shelter, a women's shelter, Youth shelter .... in all at least six shelters or transitional shelters and we have a good number of people who are camping outside. Churches, city government, non-profits, hospitals are all involved. The most damning complaint was a quote from a homeless man who said each agency was different, had different rules and the people who need help are left to figure it out on their own.
I don't want to get into the specifics because I don't want to give away where I live, but I can say that with better leadership statewide and locally, we can do better with what we already have.
I will also say that our governor is making this issue one of her top priorities. Something like 83 million is allocated to go to cities and counties in Oregon this year but it's not just "here you go, do as you will". Kotek is personally involved in administrating that money and she's been quite sharp in her well deserved criticism about the ineptitude shown at the local levels regarding planning and commitment toward resolving this crisis.
This is what is going on at the state and county level:
'They need to get their stuff together': Kotek wants clarity on counties' housing plans
The deadline for counties to finalize their plans for how they will use money allocated in Governer Kotek's
Regarding some of the criticism:
SALEM, Ore. — The deadline for counties to finalize their spending plans for money allocated in Gov. Tina Kotek's emergency order was extended; however, the governor says some still missed the mark.
"In Multnomah County, the city of Portland, the city of Gresham the continuum of care here in Portland, resources were tentatively allocated. They need to update their plan to finalize it before we will completely greenlight those dollars," Kotek said.
But it's not all bad news:
Kotek lauded Lane County as having one of the most complete applications from the get-go. The county has more line items than Multnomah when it comes to detailing spending for its plan to increase emergency shelter. Those include requests for $50,000 to rent an emergency shelter and $942,853 to acquire property for shelter. It asks for $500,000 to renovate existing shelters in order to expand, and it asks for funds for increased staff, maintenance and utilities.
Lane County is where the city of Eugene lies.
The video in that link (3 minute listen) gives a view into what the state and and the community governments are doing. There was hardly any action on this issue during the past four years under Kate Brown and so Kotek is practically starting from scratch.
our governor is a POS won't do things like that, it's up to the counties where large cities are.....like mine.......or the one i'm close too shall we say
Fogdog
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Kotek has her work cut out for her for sure. This is just the beginning and she'll definitely take heat if we don't see progress. Like I said, it's a clusterfuck right now and until now, Oregon has operated as if people who are unhoused are something to get rid of, not give a helping hand. Kotek is definitely putting political capital into fixing this issue. There is a lot of downside to doing so if things don't better, both in reality and perceptually. I voted for her and support her in large part because she is doing something substantive about this crisis.
Kotek has a carrot in the form of $125 million budget granted by Oregon's legislature to hold out to Oregon's communities to help them solve the problem. She also will have a stick, if it passes, in the form of the bill that the good Dr Amber referenced in the OP.
The position Abbot is taking is politically easier. He just bashes the powerless and his supporters love it. Of course this does nothing to address the problem but toxic masculinity sells better than caring for people in need. Especially among the MAGA fascist GOP. For him it's about getting re-elected. What he's doing is pretty much status quo, so he's not trying to buck a trend like Kotek is doing.
shimbob
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I was riding with a coworker on Hwy 84 eastwards out of Portland and had to listen to him rant about how all the homeless camping on the side of the road was a results of "liberal policies". Are there any communities with " conservative policies" that have handled homelessness better? And what are those policies, asides throwing them in jail and/or more tax cuts to the rich?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
There was this one conservative nation that implemented a distinctly final solution…
Well, good for you for helping out with the problem by volunteering!
On your other statement, you stop just short of saying that many people with mental disorders
are compelled to self-medicate with alcohol and other substances.
With this war on drugs, and prison industrial complex we have in USA, it'd seem a mental health
industrial complex, and a war on mental illness would be money and effort much better spent.
Bullies always implement the politics of hate. Incites the mob, don't it?
Roger A. Shrubber
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The people you know milking the system have homes...The people we're talking about DO NOT...They're two separate groups of people with entirely different circumstances...you would know that if you ever involved yourself in helping anyone besides yourself.
I think that's called the marginal tax rate, which has been pared down to about 15% now if they pay anything at all, because they have so damn many loopholes it's unusual that they ever pay any taxes. Trump didn't for years.
Sir Napsalot
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a large segment of the homeless population have no desire to do anything other than what they're doing.
Roger A. Shrubber
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can you quantify "a large segment" ?
Are you speaking about your immediate area? Or the whole nation?
Do you have any statistics to back this statement up?
because I'm thinking it's more like a low, single digit segment, and that many, many more would be happy to get into some kind of housing.
Some people are bums, they don't want to work, they grift and hustle and steal...but a lot more had shit dropped on them that they couldn't deal with, or they fucked themselves up, worse than they could fix...Or whatever, most of them aren't happy camping, and a lot of those that avoid the shelters probably need some mental assistance.
Sir Napsalot
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My statement was based on my observations drawn from my local area
I don't have numbers and shit- I rely on my perception
HGCC
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The issue really does look different depending on where you are. I have not seen anything like this in midwest, east coast, or Southern cities. When many are talking about the issue, they describe it like what I had seen elsewhere. The percentage that are down to just smoke meth/fent in tent and steal everything not bolted down seems much much higher here. All those cities where they are shitty to the homeless, well they end up pushing them here and to the west coast where they just live their tent lives.
*I'm shocked that "most liberal city in America" Portland didn't already allow camping.
Also, to keep on topic, I would propose that something like we are doing with buying old hotels to put them up in a semi permanent place is far better than tent cities. This is a better solution that will be more likely to get people off the streets and solves the issue of complaints about shelters and allowing urban camping.
denverite.com
This one is coming to an end https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/homeless-aloft-hotel-closing/73-61f31b28-0849-4836-9e51-b88cffaf203b
*I'm shocked that "most liberal city in America" Portland didn't already allow camping.
Also, to keep on topic, I would propose that something like we are doing with buying old hotels to put them up in a semi permanent place is far better than tent cities. This is a better solution that will be more likely to get people off the streets and solves the issue of complaints about shelters and allowing urban camping.
Denver's buying a hotel with 95 rooms to house people experiencing homelessness
City Council approved the purchase of the old Stay Inn to convert the building into housing.
denverite.com
This one is coming to an end https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/homeless-aloft-hotel-closing/73-61f31b28-0849-4836-9e51-b88cffaf203b
since most orgs are grass roots organizations it can be a cluster fuck we have had issues here our city shut down every single shelter. and than was like well now living in a tent is finable and youll go to prison, they also will come to the tent area , and "Evict" the person it is violent,
they literally use a bulldozer (maybe wrong one not sure which truck that is!) , which is entirely unneeded have10 workers which is also unneeded and several police while 1 unhoused person stands with what they can hold and the cityworker will literally take the equipment and smash everything than scoop it all into a dumptruck and drive away...it is literally the most violent action and psychological destruction ive ever witness.
So not only does this person have almost nothing the city will go in and than take everythign else they have, their shelter(tent) and personal belongings, or sentimental belongings
and i did witness these literally we peacefully protested while it was happening because the city had plans to do this.