Organic seems long in flower

Smokesteve

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Hi guys I'm usually just creeping but any insight is much appreciated. Seems like my organic grows are really bulking up nice but the plants are past 13 weeks at 13/11 the strains wonder woman and tangie by Nirvana some pistils still white and some clear trichomes. Buds are fat and smell great though. Pretty good fade on the leaves. Using Franks #4 soil and elevation organics peak harvest nutes as well as slf 100 and sugree.
 
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Thundercat

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13/11 might slow might slow the flowering a little but it really shouldn't be much.

Environment can totally slow flowering down. Cold temps have slowed my batches of clones this winter.

Sativa dom phenotypes tend to take longer as well.

Another thing is how long has it been since they actually started to form flowers. Flower time begins when flowers begin to form, NOT at 12/12 switch. When you switch your lights the plants still need to go through a transition between veg and flower. That typically takes 7-21 days depending on genetics and environment. Then flowering begins once flowers start to form.

With the cold weather I had a batch of clones that normally takes 6-8 days to form flowers, take closer to 20. I improved my temps the best I could (it's still chilly at night) and the next batch was down to 10-12 days. As the weather warms just a little more I'm certain I'll be back to 6-8 days of transition.
 

Smokesteve

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13/11 might slow might slow the flowering a little but it really shouldn't be much.

Environment can totally slow flowering down. Cold temps have slowed my batches of clones this winter.

Sativa dom phenotypes tend to take longer as well.

Another thing is how long has it been since they actually started to form flowers. Flower time begins when flowers begin to form, NOT at 12/12 switch. When you switch your lights the plants still need to go through a transition between veg and flower. That typically takes 7-21 days depending on genetics and environment. Then flowering begins once flowers start to form.

With the cold weather I had a batch of clones that normally takes 6-8 days to form flowers, take closer to 20. I improved my temps the best I could (it's still chilly at night) and the next batch was down to 10-12 days. As the weather warms just a little more I'm certain I'll be back to 6-8 days of transition.
9 days in they had flowers my lights on temps 77 lights off 63
 

Thundercat

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9 days in they had flowers my lights on temps 77 lights off 63
Well those temps aren't bad, and if it had flowers forming 9 days after switch then your sitting at about 11-12 weeks of flower. That definitely is on the longer side for some plants but really pretty normal for anything heavy sativa.

How much light is over it? No getting enough light can definitely slow things down.

There are lots of little things environmentally that can impact the length of flowering, but if your environment and feed are doing good then I would think it's just genetics.
 

Thundercat

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660 watt Solistek hps
Well that should be plenty of light which makes me come back to probably just genetics. I've ran sativas that took 14 weeks of actual flower time and probably could have gone longer still but were good enough lol.
 

ShLUbY

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Doesnt change the fact that that 13/11 is most likely slowing flower down. That's what its known to do, produce slightly bigger flowers at the cost of a longer flower cycle. 11/13 cuts a week or so off at the cost of smaller flowers.
i wouldn't necessarily say smaller flowers... i haven't noticed a change in yield at all from switching 12/12 to 11/13 :) :peace:
 

Smokesteve

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They started fading very early maybe 6 weeks or so or so I thought it was fine. Aside from that the development seemed pretty good. I'm thinking that maybe their Roots were a bit cold and possibly they are a little under fed. At this point I just want them to finish do you guys think I should feed more or just give straight phed water or something else. Also being that I have forced hot air the humidity is between 20-35%
 
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Thundercat

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Yeah I agree that looks pretty close to done, nice and frosty! I'm sure it can't take much longer to get what you want from the trichomes. You could definitely harvest any time now and have some good smoke.
 

Smoke342

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I have had similar problems by having too much nitrogen in my teas, keep shooting off foxtails and new white hairs when they should be finished.
 

Obepawn

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13/11 might slow might slow the flowering a little but it really shouldn't be much.

Environment can totally slow flowering down. Cold temps have slowed my batches of clones this winter.

Sativa dom phenotypes tend to take longer as well.

Another thing is how long has it been since they actually started to form flowers. Flower time begins when flowers begin to form, NOT at 12/12 switch. When you switch your lights the plants still need to go through a transition between veg and flower. That typically takes 7-21 days depending on genetics and environment. Then flowering begins once flowers start to form.

With the cold weather I had a batch of clones that normally takes 6-8 days to form flowers, take closer to 20. I improved my temps the best I could (it's still chilly at night) and the next batch was down to 10-12 days. As the weather warms just a little more I'm certain I'll be back to 6-8 days of transition.
So when you go to a breeder site or seed bank, 8-9 weeks flower means from 12/12 flip or from flower formation?
 

Thundercat

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So when you go to a breeder site or seed bank, 8-9 weeks flower means from 12/12 flip or from flower formation?
First off breeder times are super loose guidelines and you should not put much weight in them. Those times are for that breeders garden and plant not your garden and plants.

Secondly "flowering time" as stated begins when the plants begin to form flowers. Some breeders will state 12/12 time instead. However flowering time begin when you see flowers.

Every plant is different so counting from 12/12 is totally arbitrary and is only done by stoners growing indoors.

If you were growing outside you wouldn't say your plant was flowering until it started growing flowers. So why would you play make believe inside and say it's flowering before it starts to show flowers? It's very basic plant biology. There is a transition period between veg and flower. Many nutrient companies even identify this stage on their feed charts :). If you look up the stages of plant growth there is usually 5, and this "transition" phase is commonly refered to as the " preflowering" stage. The plant wouldn't enter the flowering stage until it starts making flower :).

Hope that helps. It's a hugely common misconception with new growers especially, but with many online cannabis growers. The more you understand about the biology the less sense it makes to count all plants from the arbitrary 12/12.

Just because we grow indoors does not make us gods. The plants still have to do their thing in a certain genetic order.

Personally I've come to believe that we can not really speed that genetic timeline up, at least not much(but we can totally slow it down). I think our goal is to provide the most ideal conditions to facilitate the natural order of the growth so that it can happen as fast as the plant is genetically capable of.
 
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