Organic VS. Non-Organic
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Kush Killington
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Nothing if yur not using organic nutes >.<
Chemical nutes will rape yo soil of anything beneficial.
Sir KK
Chemical nutes will rape yo soil of anything beneficial.
Sir KK
Grazzhopper1
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I think soil is very forgiving and ph stable,personally I find a lot of flexibilty with temp and humidity changes and much better taste, Let the debate begin
kratos015
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I have only used Fox Farm nutrients so this may be a broad statement, but the flavor I get from using compost teas destroys everything I've smoked that uses a chemical nutrient regime. Think about the way your body works and compare it to a marijuana plant. What works better for us? Sure you could take a vitamin C pill and not have to eat things with vitamin C in it, but eating things with Vitamin C in it is much more natural and healthy than using chemical pills.
The other thing about organics that completely rules is how cheap it is. I am constantly surprised (and baffled) at how many people I've seen online (and even on here) that claim that organics is more expensive than chemicals. You have the start up expenses of getting yourself a nice air pump (30-40 bucks), air tubing, air stones, 5 gallon buckets, and then of course the guano and all that good stuff.
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/510995-organic-feeding-101-a-2.html#post7914959
Check out Fresnofarmer's tea recipes he lists, they have been an absolute godsend. The Alaskan Humus goes for $13 at my local hydro store with all the guanos, alfalfa meal, and so on being around $8 a piece. Your seaweed/kelp liquid will be about $20-22 and then of course the molasses. So it'll cost you about $100 or so to get started with everything you need, but then after that all you have to do is spend the money on the ingredients and keep brewing your teas! You also need to replace your airstones after 2-3 brews of tea because my air stones tend to get all gunky and unusable after a while. I have 11 plants in my current grow and they all get a good dose of teas, every day, no water only compost tea. My 5 gallon of compost tea that I make lasts my 11 plants about a week, give or take. So for about $30-40 in ingredients I'm able to make my own nutrients customized for my set up AND it lasts forever! I got into compost teas halfway through my last year's outdoor grow and have been using them since. The reason I bring that up is because it was about 5-6 months before I had to go back to the hydro store and buy replacement guanos and such, however the liquid seaweed has been lasting me for months. The results for me are almost immediate as well, I usually notice my plants reacting to the tea within 24 hours of application.
haulinbass
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this is just me but anything I grow organicly wether it be soup style or with a built up soil always give me a slimey/snotty feeling in the back of my throught when smoked. when synth does not, BUT the organics always look taste and smell better but yeild about 35%less(guestimate) not just in weight but size of buds. Ive also noticed with established clones they flower faster syntheticly.
I now prefer using coco with soup style(general organics) stuff in veg and synthetics with peroxide in flower. not the cheapest but it works well consistantly for me.
I now prefer using coco with soup style(general organics) stuff in veg and synthetics with peroxide in flower. not the cheapest but it works well consistantly for me.
diggindirt
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If you grow truly organic, mychorrizae will be your best friends. White fluffy hairy roots that help regulate what your plant needs when it needs it. Microbes will help break down the nutrients and make them more readily available for your plants to uptake. I second that you don't have to check PH or PPM (which is a big plus for me).
I also agree that hydro/chemical nutes may give you larger buds and heavier yields, but McDonalds will also give you a bigger waistline compared to veggies and fruit. What would you prefer to put in you?
After growing organic for a few years now, I can absolutely tell the difference between chem buds and non-chem buds. I believe the smoke is smoother with a better taste when organically grown. I find the teas a bit messy and a lot to keep up with for larger aplications, but for my small room it's not that bad at all. It's also seriously improved my outdoor plants as well.
One note however, you cannot use tap water when trying to use living soil. Even if you bubble and sit your water overnight, municipal water has all kinds of nasties that won't come out without a serious filter like Reverse Osmosis. Some of these compounds are Flouride and Chloramine which will immediately kill off all of your microbes drastically reducing the performance of your soil. I attribute this as the main reason a lot of "organic" soils yield less or don't perform quite as well as you would hope. Takes a bit of practice, but if you can keep your soil living through harvest, you'll get some amazing taste and yields.
I'll never switch back to chemicals/salt based ferts...
I also agree that hydro/chemical nutes may give you larger buds and heavier yields, but McDonalds will also give you a bigger waistline compared to veggies and fruit. What would you prefer to put in you?
After growing organic for a few years now, I can absolutely tell the difference between chem buds and non-chem buds. I believe the smoke is smoother with a better taste when organically grown. I find the teas a bit messy and a lot to keep up with for larger aplications, but for my small room it's not that bad at all. It's also seriously improved my outdoor plants as well.
One note however, you cannot use tap water when trying to use living soil. Even if you bubble and sit your water overnight, municipal water has all kinds of nasties that won't come out without a serious filter like Reverse Osmosis. Some of these compounds are Flouride and Chloramine which will immediately kill off all of your microbes drastically reducing the performance of your soil. I attribute this as the main reason a lot of "organic" soils yield less or don't perform quite as well as you would hope. Takes a bit of practice, but if you can keep your soil living through harvest, you'll get some amazing taste and yields.
I'll never switch back to chemicals/salt based ferts...
chuck estevez
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organic= microbes break down nutes into usable form
synthetic= chelators break down nutes into usable form
Both end up in the SAME usable form.
for those that claim organic tastes better,please watch[video=youtube;8Zqe4ZV9LDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs[/video]
synthetic= chelators break down nutes into usable form
Both end up in the SAME usable form.
for those that claim organic tastes better,please watch[video=youtube;8Zqe4ZV9LDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs[/video]
ProdigalSun
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I use the water from the fish tanks.
Nullis
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Microbes in the soil are producing a hell of a lot more than just plant available nutrients, though, and many more complex compounds than you're going to find in any bottle (unless that bottle has microbes). This is primarily what the microbes do, yes, but the fact is that there is a lot going on in soil betwixt microbes and microbes, and microbes and plant and much of it we don't even understand- from the cellular level to the fundamental molecular level.
Case in point: humates; humin; humic and fulvic acids. These are heterogeneous and complex substances, and their properties have yet to be fully elucidated. What we know is they are important components of organic matter\soil that do a variety of necessary things, including the chelation, absorption and translocation of nutrients. Unlike synthetic chelators humic\fulvic acids are taken up by plant roots and tissue.
Here is something interesting: http://www.teravita.com/Humates/Chapter4.htm
Comprehensive article on humates: http://www.calciumproducts.com/articles/Dr._Pettit_Humate.pdf
Case in point: humates; humin; humic and fulvic acids. These are heterogeneous and complex substances, and their properties have yet to be fully elucidated. What we know is they are important components of organic matter\soil that do a variety of necessary things, including the chelation, absorption and translocation of nutrients. Unlike synthetic chelators humic\fulvic acids are taken up by plant roots and tissue.
Here is something interesting: http://www.teravita.com/Humates/Chapter4.htm
Comprehensive article on humates: http://www.calciumproducts.com/articles/Dr._Pettit_Humate.pdf
prosperian
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I could grow in any medium and achieve similar results. I choose organic soils because I want a non-chemical product at the end of my harvest. I know it is organic and that translates into a higher level of satisfaction for me.
It’s the same reason I buy my produce and meat from local farmers that practice the same philosophy. It might be more work, harder to find, more expensive, but we are what we eat and smoke.
Forte
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You can use absorbic acid to get rid of chloramine. 1000mg will treat 40-50 gallons of tap water.
CBDFarm
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I recently dove into freshwater fish, got a 70 gallon tank.... How would I go about using the water from it? Im worried to much Nitrogen might be in it.
And to answer the OP organic generally(to me) provides a smoother smoke, but it's not always the case and like others stated yield is generally less, and it's messier. I liked Pro Mix HP it was a peat moss base, mixed with perlite, and mycorrhiza in it. Then add your amendments.
Dr. Who
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I believe that the difference in taste and smoothness comes from exactly what @Nullis was telling you about!
What those healthy, active microbes are doing, simply can not be replicated with any synthetic, No matter how much you add microbes too synthetic grows....It's That "soil food web" that does the magic......
I also find great personal pleasure out of building my own soils.....My wife enjoys gardening and she will build soils during the winter for both of us, just because she likes it and miss's summer growing.....She has taken over my old personal area in one of the Barns and does super hot peppers, tomato's, egg plant, broccoli and other veggies for year around fresh organic eating!
Doc
What those healthy, active microbes are doing, simply can not be replicated with any synthetic, No matter how much you add microbes too synthetic grows....It's That "soil food web" that does the magic......
I also find great personal pleasure out of building my own soils.....My wife enjoys gardening and she will build soils during the winter for both of us, just because she likes it and miss's summer growing.....She has taken over my old personal area in one of the Barns and does super hot peppers, tomato's, egg plant, broccoli and other veggies for year around fresh organic eating!
Doc
greasemonkeymann
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on a properly cycled fresh water tank the nitrogen is almost non-existent, all the microbes on your filters clean that up and convert it.
I highly, highly recommend using your "vacuumed" water, clean the bottom of your tank, the more fish poo and gunk the better.
Guaran-fuckin-tee you won't ever stop using it.
I almost started a tank solely for it's water.
I did that for over a decade, and would still do it that way, given the room for a tank, that is.
CBDFarm
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For sure man thanks for the info, ill give it ago sometime, might as well put the water to use and if would be great if it provided good results. Thanks again
greasemonkeymann
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it will man, it will. Never have I had such green plants alllll the way till the harvest.
Every time you clean your tank, use the water. DON"T through it away... that's gold man.
I cleaned every two weeks, and it worked out to be a nice bi-weekly shot of food.
When I had it really populated I vacuumed every week.
Oscars and tire track eels shit a lot...
CBDFarm
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Well these guys should provide a lot haha. Ill try it on my winter grow and see how it works out
