Organics ARE chemicals

Medi 1

Medi 1

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then they didnt flush right or enough. i work at a nute co and nutesd dont taste if done right. gardener saftey????...what saftey. flavs come from essential oils, not the soil. its l aminos and sugars and carbs...this is why they sell them flavoured sugar for flushes. thats all it is sugar. or forms of it.
thas what our bio chemist has shown us in test results anyways. building terpens and flavinoids.
 
doc111

doc111

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Medi 1 said:
then they didnt flush right or enough. i work at a nute co and nutesd dont taste if done right. gardener saftey????...what saftey. flavs come from essential oils, not the soil. its l aminos and sugars and carbs...this is why they sell them flavoured sugar for flushes. thats all it is sugar. or forms of it.
thas what our bio chemist has shown us in test results anyways. building terpens and flavinoids.
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I just recently started using sucanat as my carb of choice. So far I'm liking the results.:weed:
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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yes sir. the most pure form of sugar cane is that, then molasses. its all from the sugar cane plant then the diff sugarsd we have it just diff processes it goes tyhrough for the purity and quality. i even add a spoon of plain ol table sugar to my waters. they also can only take a very small portion of the complex carbs as compared to simple ones.
 
Kphlash

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Lets put it this way, our bodies naturally produce testosterone in men, but synthetic testosterone are steroids and putting them in your body has more negative results to contradict the positive results....now, men can increase it naturally by taking food, exercise, or natural supplements, not synthetic products, without the side effects.

APPLY THAT TO PLANTS-if you want to jack up your plants with synthetics and additives-expect some side effects- what they are we do not know exactly yet, we dont know much about plants in general yet imo. They are as complex as humans and are not able to explain their symptoms or emotions as a person could.

Look at what they do to our meat in america and the side effects that it is showing. Asians are starting to eat more fast food and they are all getting more health problems, taller and fatter babies, all sorts of issues, from eating processed, preserved food with a f*ton of additives. Hence the stupidly named "organic" food movement to go hormone and steroid free in our food. Its taken 20yrs to find these things out in

Why is it so hard to at least accept that if you apply the same common knowledge of meat, fruits & veggies, to your smokable fruit- you cannot agree that truely organic/ active soils are safer, tastier, healthier, getting a better balanced diet and overall a better product.

I also have a hard time with people claiming to be all organic and using Kelp, fish oils etc. because that shit is not found in soil! that IMO is worse than using synthetics.

In the end, yes u can basically achieve the same results, sometimes better looking results with synthetics, and yes it is a preference.)Some people prefer to take the easy way out and take steroids instead of working out and eating right...) but i can say without a doubt that active/natural soil is by far the best way to grow, just like naturally fed animals and produce are better for you and taste better.

On a side note i think Veganics is the way to go, but very difficult to learn, very advanced. Im trying to learn all i can and start doing some in small batches at my warehouses soon. I have done hydro and there is no love (im "new school" and believe in energy transfer and all that) and the plants seem to grow less full, have a different high, even when i was in there all the time and did all the normal music and such-and these are clones that i do in sunshine #4 and soil too, with same nutes, same basic watering amounts/times etc (try to be consistent so i find the variable thats making it better or worse), just different results. Tried organic hydro and it was good, but too much work and still not as good as soil. **IMO hydro should go with synthetics bc there is not much difference because the components are broken down before delivered- 1 thing i agree with in this whole thread :P**

After everything though, i still love FoxFarm with SS#4 and its what i start my patients off with. Easy to control and easy to tell where you messed up. Usually use that with strains I'm unfamiliar with. Its all preference but regardless, i have to say -you get out what you put in. Chefs use raw ingredients, foodies mix their own spices, most people use a premixed bottle. Food all tastes good to the layman, but the connoisseur can tell the slight differences. In the end, it all gets you HIGH :)
 
doc111

doc111

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Kphlash said:
Lets put it this way, our bodies naturally produce testosterone in men, but synthetic testosterone are steroids and putting them in your body has more negative results to contradict the positive results....now, men can increase it naturally by taking food, exercise, or natural supplements, not synthetic products, without the side effects.

APPLY THAT TO PLANTS-if you want to jack up your plants with synthetics and additives-expect some side effects- what they are we do not know exactly yet, we dont know much about plants in general yet imo. They are as complex as humans and are not able to explain their symptoms or emotions as a person could.

Look at what they do to our meat in america and the side effects that it is showing. Asians are starting to eat more fast food and they are all getting more health problems, taller and fatter babies, all sorts of issues, from eating processed, preserved food with a f*ton of additives. Hence the stupidly named "organic" food movement to go hormone and steroid free in our food. Its taken 20yrs to find these things out in

Why is it so hard to at least accept that if you apply the same common knowledge of meat, fruits & veggies, to your smokable fruit- you cannot agree that truely organic/ active soils are safer, tastier, healthier, getting a better balanced diet and overall a better product.

I also have a hard time with people claiming to be all organic and using Kelp, fish oils etc. because that shit is not found in soil! that IMO is worse than using synthetics.

In the end, yes u can basically achieve the same results, sometimes better looking results with synthetics, and yes it is a preference.)Some people prefer to take the easy way out and take steroids instead of working out and eating right...) but i can say without a doubt that active/natural soil is by far the best way to grow, just like naturally fed animals and produce are better for you and taste better.

On a side note i think Veganics is the way to go, but very difficult to learn, very advanced. Im trying to learn all i can and start doing some in small batches at my warehouses soon. I have done hydro and there is no love (im "new school" and believe in energy transfer and all that) and the plants seem to grow less full, have a different high, even when i was in there all the time and did all the normal music and such-and these are clones that i do in sunshine #4 and soil too, with same nutes, same basic watering amounts/times etc (try to be consistent so i find the variable thats making it better or worse), just different results. Tried organic hydro and it was good, but too much work and still not as good as soil. **IMO hydro should go with synthetics bc there is not much difference because the components are broken down before delivered- 1 thing i agree with in this whole thread :P**

After everything though, i still love FoxFarm with SS#4 and its what i start my patients off with. Easy to control and easy to tell where you messed up. Usually use that with strains I'm unfamiliar with. Its all preference but regardless, i have to say -you get out what you put in. Chefs use raw ingredients, foodies mix their own spices, most people use a premixed bottle. Food all tastes good to the layman, but the connoisseur can tell the slight differences. In the end, it all gets you HIGH :)
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Stop right there! Steriods being dangerous has more to do with the fact that you are pumping your body full of a powerful hormone. It has more to do with the quantities than the fact that they are synthetic. Insulin is a natural hormone derived from pig pancreas or genetically modified bacteria and it will kill you quicker than any steriod ever could if you get too much of it. The human body, like most organisms, strives for homeostasis, or balance. Whenever you add something or take something away you are disrupting this delicate balance.;-)
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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and 99% of the raw food source for the plantsd we use are all same organic or not. then as i said before is adeed to a salt or a carbon moleclue..how is that harmfull?
qnd yes fish and the others you mention are concidfered organic...land or sea is organic. nature. and most of what we use as a nute co is in a restaurant or your home dinner table. and you will never grow as fast or more with organic over sythetic. its more a personal choicxe to use them. organics take longer to be used by the plant and sythetic arent so the synthetic is available right now where orgainc isnt, some take months to be able to be uptaken by a plant so no way they can compete
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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most of what i just read in that other thread is what we use for making the nutes in the fisrt place. and when planbts grow in nature they are week and wimpy with lacking all the needed elemnts for healthy growth. you ever see a wild plabnt...week and fluffy and tall scragly. not a landrace,...just left to grow on its own...no foods added. my buddy does this and can barley pull an oz of 1 plant this way.
im not sayin the items you use are crap just that they lack a full feed with all elements. like all 17 of them that we use for our foods, similar to mg..onkly has 3 of them but people think its great smoke, how when you are missing most the foods needed for great smoke. a picture means nothing...kinda side tracked...sorry
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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Medi 1 said:
most of what i just read in that other thread is what we use for making the nutes in the fisrt place. and when planbts grow in nature they are week and wimpy with lacking all the needed elemnts for healthy growth. you ever see a wild plabnt...week and fluffy and tall scragly. not a landrace,...just left to grow on its own...no foods added. my buddy does this and can barley pull an oz of 1 plant this way.
im not sayin the items you use are crap just that they lack a full feed with all elements. like all 17 of them that we use for our foods, similar to mg..onkly has 3 of them but people think its great smoke, how when you are missing most the foods needed for great smoke. a picture means nothing...kinda side tracked...sorry
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"We" have been able to get 500+ grams per plant using plant based organics. Your friend sucks... no offense.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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yes he does...lol...i tell him that everyday. is what happens when we get old n stuborn to try new things. guys almost 80 years old..cant teacvh an old dog new tricks...lol
grams dont mean they got all the neccessary elemtns they need. have it tested for efficacy and see where it is. ...and im not saying it would suck. i just dont see it being better as they stuill need to be convetted before a plant can even take it in. they cant take in raw organics. needs an added element.
and like i said..most of what i saw posted is what we and others use on a bottle of foods anyways so to say that is better i dopnt see how when its the same thing...for the most part minus the added elements we add to it to help it be useable faster
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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just adde the gram thing...bit slow..500 g from 1 and outdoor???..we get 3 to 4 pound each here.
 
420God

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I think all the arguing you guys do on here about organics is funny as hell especially since everything comes from a bottle with most of you. I'm not saying your ways don't work but you're missing a lot of how nature works and that's why there are so many plant problem questions on RIU. There are very few growers on here that actually know how to get there hands dirty with real earth organics. A soil mix isn't made of company names mixed together, it's made of flesh, bone, plants, minerals and living organisms. That's what grows healthy plants, you need all those things.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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ya soil is made up of that...i wasnt arguing here either.. just education for some. take or leave it dont nmatter to me.

ya dood sorry for the typos..the spell check isnt workin here for some reason...im tryin...lol
i meant i was a bit slow at adding the gram count there of 500 per. and again indoor to...how long veg and how many lights and so makes a diff. plant counts under lights and so on and strains. im not sayin its shitty counts, just thought you meant outdoor.
 
dangledo

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420God said:
I think all the arguing you guys do on here about organics is funny as hell especially since everything comes from a bottle with most of you. I'm not saying your ways don't work but you're missing a lot of how nature works and that's why there are so many plant problem questions on RIU. There are very few growers on here that actually know how to get there hands dirty with real earth organics. A soil mix isn't made of company names mixed together, it's made of flesh, bone, plants, minerals and living organisms. That's what grows healthy plants, you need all those things.
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Whats in that bottle with the green dinosaur with a pepper in your album?
 
Kphlash

Kphlash

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doc111 said:
Stop right there! Steriods being dangerous has more to do with the fact that you are pumping your body full of a powerful hormone. It has more to do with the quantities than the fact that they are synthetic. Insulin is a natural hormone derived from pig pancreas or genetically modified bacteria and it will kill you quicker than any steriod ever could if you get too much of it. The human body, like most organisms, strives for homeostasis, or balance. Whenever you add something or take something away you are disrupting this delicate balance.;-)
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you are combining 2 things i said in separate thoughts. Steroids are synthetic, they should not be used in a humans except in certain specific circumstances. Just like it is not the best thing to put synthetics into your plants. The Insulin thing goes more with my problem of kelp extracts and such- and too much nitrogen will kill your plants too.

Your last comment also supports why organics is better than synthetics. we only know the nutrients plants need from minimalist testing. Deprive it of a specific nute and see what happens- theres how many elements and compounds out there? and the plants seem to suck it all up, so how do you know you are not depriving it of essential bacterial or microorganisms with your bottled synthetic nutes? im still not sure if i have everything when i make my active soils, and i put a lot of effort into that. We have even started buying some soil from the corn and fruit farmers around CO to use as a base. It needs to get tested and stuff, so it tends to be more expensive than the stuff we have been making, but i have seen some improved flavor in same clones from these batches. and as often as we get soils and meds tested we are starting to get deals.

Ya Prof Rize, been following you on here a bit, just never really started posting till i got real high the other day and couldnt stfu at work. so i figured id jump into some conversations here. Ya my problem with veganics is the soil construction. I am working on just watering the plants and letting them grow, but i havent found or made a soil where i havent had to add nutes to the water. any ideas, or we stuck with making teas and all that fun stuff
 
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