Overpriced Nutrients..get better nutrients for a lower price

the biggest bombest looking plants ive ever smoked or seen were grown chemically not organically and got chopped the fuk up during veg and flower..LST'd during veg and kept clean (no big cuts in veg) then lollipopped the first or second week of flower

homegrown is speaking the truth! + rep chem nutes my plants stay green till the day i chop!

formlessqarrior said:

um i wont smoke no chemical grown bull shit regardless if it is flushed, the buds is made up of the chemicals , even if it is flushed the make up of the compunds are built from crazyness u dont even know about, ima be alive in fine in 100 years smoking my organic wonder lol

Click to expand...

Your organic nutes are dead matter that has to be broken down for the plant to fully benefit from. Your growing cycle isn't long enough to do that entirely. As water soluable as today's nutrients are, they are immediately available to the plant.
Just flush and the grow is good. I've had oraganic grows that taste like shit too. Do the research, not your opinion or preference.

HomeGrown420baby said:

The Benefits of Beneficial Organisms

The effects of micro-organisms on a plant can be profound. These organisms, such as bacillus, mycorrhizae and trichoderma all form symbiotic relationships with the plant and are found in soil. Bacillus is used world wide for the control of loopers, fungus gnats, insect pests and opportunistic fungi pathogens. Tricoderma is a fungi that feeds off pathogenic root rot and damping off fungi; it also stimulates the plants root and immune systems, which helps the plant to fight off fungi attacks. Mycorrhizae is a beneficial fungi which colonizes the root surface; this helps keep the pathogenic fungi from getting a foot hold on the plant’s root system. Mycorrhizae also helps the plant take up nutrients that are out of reach of the plant’s roots. All of these beneficial organisms feed off plant exudes from the root system and some nutrients in the growing medium.

Click to expand...

Maybe it's me...but...Something not straight from wikipedia might help

like what? go ahead dont be shy?

formlessqarrior said:

um i wont smoke no chemical grown bull shit regardless if it is flushed, the buds is made up of the chemicals , even if it is flushed the make up of the compunds are built from crazyness u dont even know about, ima be alive in fine in 100 years smoking my organic wonder lol

Click to expand...

Dumbass, every single living cell of every single living plant or animal on the planet is made up of chemicals. A molecule of K20 derived from an organic fertilizer is 100% identical to a molecule of K20 in a nonorganic fert. The only difference is in the delivery system.

the building blocks of life are universal, your 'organic' MJ isn't somehow creating glucose, cellulose, and THC from different chemicals, than that of 'nonorganic' MJ.

Take Nitrogen for example. Plants absorb and use it in 2 forms, NO3 and NH4. Whether you use complex organic complounds that must be broken down in the soil by microbial activity or is applied directly in a soluble salt, that fact is the plant is still absorbing NO3 and NH4. God himself couldn't tell the difference in an NO3 molecule produced from an organic source as opposed to an NO3 molecule produced by artificial means.

The room for error is admittedly less for hydro vs. 'organic'. But MJ grown hydroponically by someone that properly understands the processes of life, will be chemically identical to that of MJ grown organically. That's a fact.

Man, i always thought most MJ growers had more sense than some of the nonsense i've seen spewed around here lately. Some of you morons should go take a couple biology and chemistry courses and stop wallowing in your own ignorance.

Everything sold in a hydro store is already jacked way up on price. That is a given.

Most ppl would be far better off simply getting nursery grade quality fertilizer and additives. Just get the PRO grade and you can't go wrong, and it will end up being half the cost.

formlessqarrior said:

um i wont smoke no chemical grown bull shit regardless if it is flushed, the buds is made up of the chemicals , even if it is flushed the make up of the compunds are built from crazyness u dont even know about, ima be alive in fine in 100 years smoking my organic wonder lol

Click to expand...

hahahahahaha this made me laugh

it's reading posts like this that brighten my day.

CrackerJax said:

Everything sold in a hydro store is already jacked way up on price. That is a given.

Most ppl would be far better off simply getting nursery grade quality fertilizer and additives. Just get the PRO grade and you can't go wrong, and it will end up being half the cost.

Click to expand...

Ditto!!! The greenhouse industry spends a hell of a lot more time, energy and effort assuring quality formulations through testing then all the MJ specialty manufacturers combined. You don't see MJ manufacturers doing research at the levels that are done by and or for vegetable or even ornamental growers. Commercial growers always try for in improvement where MJ manufacturers spend more effort trying to develop nutrients that will work on poorly designed systems so common used by MJ growers and recirculation nutrients reservoir systems that are seldom changed. Basically they play to the less experienced and the experienced growers with sad systems.

The hydro industry spends all of their money on Colorful LABELS and cool sounding names....

HomeGrown420baby said:

who ever said this is bad info and put it on my rep...FUK U BITCH..u coward y dont u drop ur name?? keep wasting ur money on the pricey beneficial bacteria..fag

Click to expand...

420baby,

How do you go about giving some one negative rep? Every time I click on the scale icon on one of your posts I only get the option to give you +rep.

Normally I don't mess with giving people rep one way or the other but you're such an abrasive, ill-mannered, mouthy, ignorant little twit that I've begun to feel the desire to give you some.

Any help you could give me with this will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Jack

PS: Is English not your first language? Because your grammar, spelling and over all sentence structure really sucks also.

CrackerJax said:

The hydro industry spends all of their money on Colorful LABELS and cool sounding names....

Click to expand...

Sure seems to be working.

Also, seems the more the inexperienced growers spend, the more vigorous the defense of these way overpriced, incomplete nutrients.

Try to tell them they are being scammed and they get mad and go spend more $$$.

Wet

Jack in the Bud said:

420baby,

How do you go about giving some one negative rep? Every time I click on the scale icon on one of your posts I only get the option to give you +rep.

Normally I don't mess with giving people rep one way or the other but you're such an abrasive, ill-mannered, mouthy, ignorant little twit that I've begun to feel the desire to give you some.

Any help you could give me with this will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Jack

PS: Is English not your first language? Because your grammar, spelling and over all sentence structure really sucks also.

Click to expand...

I can answer that for him.... only mods and elite members (like myself) can NEG rep someone. I do agree however...positive or negative ... leave ur calling card.

Wetdog said:

Sure seems to be working.

Also, seems the more the inexperienced growers spend, the more vigorous the defense of these way overpriced, incomplete nutrients.

Try to tell them they are being scammed and they get mad and go spend more $$$.

Wet

Click to expand...

That's called ... knowing your target audience.

I use a 2 part veg and bloom ( 4 bottles in total) and it is way way less than all the fancy schmancy nutes with the funky names... These are growth A + B and bloom A+b with 2 tone lablels.... happy with the results....

Or buy $500 worth of salts, minerals and trace nutrients and $75 with of amino acids and mix up $4500 worth of "top of the line" GH or $5500 of "top of the line" AN fertilizers and still have bunches of left over trace nutrients and every thing else by mono pottasium phosphate for another $2250 to $2500 worth. Any way you look at it the ones benefitting the most are the MJ nutrient manafacturers. They will play their market as well as they can to make as much as they can as long as they can. Lots of capitalistic pigs in this world, and we should all know it does not require one to be American to fit that bill eh.

fatman7574 said:

Or buy $500 worth of salts, minerals and trace nutrients and $75 with of amino acids and mix up $4500 worth of "top of the line" GH or $5500 of "top of the line" AN fertilizers and still have bunches of left over trace nutrients and every thing else by mono pottasium phosphate for another $2250 to $2500 worth. Any way you look at it the ones benefitting the most are the MJ nutrient manafacturers. They will play their market as well as they can to make as much as they can as long as they can. Lots of capitalistic pigs in this world, and we should all know it does not require one to be American to fit that bill eh.

Click to expand...

And the only way to overcome this gouging is to educate the customer, which you do so well here Fatman. Keep it up

Alot of us don;t havethetime , energy or space ot go into chemical production.... tha tbeing said,taking it up the chute for overpriced goods isn't any fun either...

It's always funny to hear folks rail against capitalism.... which is also the very model which brings so much PROFIT to the weed BUSINESS....

Find a serious grower ... and I'll show you a capitalist...

CrackerJax said:

It's always funny to hear folks rail against capitalism.... which is also the very model which brings so much PROFIT to the weed BUSINESS....

Find a serious grower ... and I'll show you a capitalist...

Click to expand...

Cracker,

I agree, it is usually funny (when it's not terribly sad) to hear people rail against Capitalism. Especially when you consider that most of them don't have the faintest idea what Capitalism really is.

And I think the blame for this sad state of affairs lies for the most part with the socialist/collectivist element among us who for so long have misrepresented what Capitalism really is, so that they could dump the blame for their failed social policies some where else than on themselves (where it belongs).

Personally I find it much safer (and easier) to deal with a straight up, hard bargaining Capitalist who's looking out for his own best interests than some self sacrificing, social do-gooder who thinks (mistakenly) it's some how his moral duty to save other people from themselves.

As far as I can tell all these little con men out there who misrepresent their products and try and cheat and swindle others are not Capitalists. At heart they're just frustrated socialists who some how think they have the right to mis-use their fellow man for their own ends.

[Wow, do I feel better now that I've got that off my chest]

Jack

CrackerJax said:

It's always funny to hear folks rail against capitalism.... which is also the very model which brings so much PROFIT to the weed BUSINESS....

Find a serious grower ... and I'll show you a capitalist...

Click to expand...

Wrong.

I am not a capitalist, I am the president of a nonprofit organization. I am not even allowed to make any substantial profits. I am even controlled in the amount of money that the organization can have in savings etc. Tax exempt though.

Generalizations about capitalism and business owners are pretty accurate. So I assume you consider a serious ious grower as a grower in business to make money growing and selling Pot. I imagine that is quite the minority n the forums. However that would surely apply to the sponsors of this site who sell seeds for $5 to $10 each. That is not the case with the general public. Amongst the general public middle class capitalism is a minority. Usually the middle class are more interested in fairness than making the greatest gain off of every transaction as they can as does the capitalist. The general public talks about good buys and fair prices. Capitalists talk abut profit margins and new sells gimmicks and odd shore accounts.

Greed is not necessarily the common quality of growers serious or not and greed is capitalism. A capitalist is a pig irregardless of what sector they come from. It is all a matter of a pig hogging the trough while squealing me. The Tragedy on the Commons and capitalism go hand in hand toward our destruction.

I know plenty of "serious" growers who estimate the monthly profit they allow themselves on the amount of money they would be living on it they were living on a government disability check, unemployment or on welfare and food stamps and rental assistance. That does not sound a lot like greed/capitalism. But they do not live in a million dollar house and drive a Hummer like Fat Mikie of AN. The non capitalistic growers I know fair a lot better in court then the capitalistic growers who usually end up loosing every thing they own and receive maximum jail terms.

The Tragedy of the Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

If I was in it for the money I would be selling Nutes or seeds. Much more profit. Lot less chance of prison time.