CrackerJax
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The universities were seeded with weakness during the 60's....and it has grown now into a ripe sized tumor...no doubt.
Overpriced Nutrients..get better nutrients for a lower price
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Jack in the Bud
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Oh man! ROFLMAO!!!
Jack
"The only way for Evil to triumph, is for good Men to do nothing." (Edmund Burke ?)
Jack in the Bud
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madcat,
"Greed" is an ucontrolable desire for the un-earned (whether in matter or spirit).
And contrary to populer belief, it is not money that it is the root of all evil but rather the "desire for the un-earned".
Jack
"Weed and Whiskey. Hoo-yah!"
dankesthours182
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an interesting debat, but obviously chem nutes are optomal. now i'm interested in finding the right nutes for my plants from non hydro/mj growers specialty businesses. i used to think i could trust those places, but logically it makes sense that they are in fact catering to a smaller number of ppl=less money to do research=less quality. thanks guys
dankesthours182
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i love seeing some nice intellect on this site, it's awesome and what it's all about (fatman and jack) but i really need to know which nutes to get. that said, i'm so intruiged by people such as yourself that i lose my initial direction and veer off into politics. LOL which isn't helping me prepare for my grow, but i'd love to keep up with your political posts regardless. BUT SUM! PLEEZ HELP ME F!ND SOME CHEAP EFFECTIVE NUTES i've heard good things about house and garden, fox farm, and AN. but AN looks like a big commercial scheme to rip off inexperienced pot growers... *sigh...* i'm so lost
dankesthours182
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sorry i posted too soon. thanks fatman
dankesthours182
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also, just because, HG420baby, AN found a few products in the industry that dont work to grow pot and then made a fancy video about it, doesn't mean they are the best. but for the price they damn well better grow pot!
dankesthours182
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ok what is N and P nitrogen and potassium??? i'[m so lost.. why can't i just grow some ganja? *tear***
satica
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Nice answer
CrackerJax
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Here's a crash course on fert's ..... and yes, organic or chemically derived...it's all the SAME to the plant..... if anyone has problems with their grow...it usually is not the fertilizers origin that is the problem. the grower has either added the wrong mix rate or wrong type at the wrong time. The grower makes the real difference, not the fertilizer.
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Understanding the Basics of Fertilizers
Fertilizers are natural chemical compounds applied in farming to promote plants and fruits growth. They are normally applied either through the soil or by foliage feeding.
There are two types of fertilizers: organic fertilizers (composed of decayed plant/animal matters) and inorganic fertilizers (composed of natural chemical and minerals). Organic fertilizers are natural compounds formed through natural processes, while inorganic ones are natural compounds formed through chemical processes.
Fertilizers typically provide three major nutrients for plants: nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. These three are called macronutrients, usually found in most packaged fertilizers.
Fertilizers also provide secondary nutrients: sulfur, calcium and magnesium. Sometimes trace elements are found, too, such as: boron, cobalt, manganese, iron, zinc, copper, molybdenum and selenium. These elements are also known as micronutrients.
Of all those compounds, the most important ones as needed in largest quantity by plants are nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. They are necessary for these building basics:
The numbers attached to a fertilizer package tell you the percentages of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium contained. It means a 12-8-10 fertilizer has 12% nitrogen, 8% phosphorus and 10% potassium. Thus in a 100-pound bag, 12 pounds is nitrogen, 8 pounds is phosphorus and 10 pounds is potassium. The other 70 pounds is called ballast, offering no value to plants or soil.
A packaged fertilizer is usually named according to the largest macronutrient it contains. For example, if nitrogen is the main element, the fertilizer is often called nitrogen fertilizer. Or if it contains mostly phosphorus, it is often called phosphorus fertilizer. By recognizing which compound is needed the most by your plants, based on its scarcity in the soil, you can choose the right fertilizer for your farm.
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Understanding the Basics of Fertilizers
Fertilizers are natural chemical compounds applied in farming to promote plants and fruits growth. They are normally applied either through the soil or by foliage feeding.
There are two types of fertilizers: organic fertilizers (composed of decayed plant/animal matters) and inorganic fertilizers (composed of natural chemical and minerals). Organic fertilizers are natural compounds formed through natural processes, while inorganic ones are natural compounds formed through chemical processes.
Fertilizers typically provide three major nutrients for plants: nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. These three are called macronutrients, usually found in most packaged fertilizers.
Fertilizers also provide secondary nutrients: sulfur, calcium and magnesium. Sometimes trace elements are found, too, such as: boron, cobalt, manganese, iron, zinc, copper, molybdenum and selenium. These elements are also known as micronutrients.
Of all those compounds, the most important ones as needed in largest quantity by plants are nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. They are necessary for these building basics:
- Every amino acid contains nitrogen
- Every molecule forming up every cell’s membrane contains phosphorus, and so does every molecule of ATP (all cells’ main energy source)
- Potassium makes up 1% – 2% of the weight of any plant and, as an ion in cells, is essential for metabolism.
The numbers attached to a fertilizer package tell you the percentages of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium contained. It means a 12-8-10 fertilizer has 12% nitrogen, 8% phosphorus and 10% potassium. Thus in a 100-pound bag, 12 pounds is nitrogen, 8 pounds is phosphorus and 10 pounds is potassium. The other 70 pounds is called ballast, offering no value to plants or soil.
A packaged fertilizer is usually named according to the largest macronutrient it contains. For example, if nitrogen is the main element, the fertilizer is often called nitrogen fertilizer. Or if it contains mostly phosphorus, it is often called phosphorus fertilizer. By recognizing which compound is needed the most by your plants, based on its scarcity in the soil, you can choose the right fertilizer for your farm.
Jack in the Bud
Active Member
dankest,
Some where on the forums some one has a thread about using "Jack's Classic" and other "Peter's" fertilizers. You ought to give it a read. I believe next time around that's what I'm going with.
In the past I've grown crops using just standard Miracle Grow (and MG Bloom Booster during flowering) and gotten good results. The things that were less than optimal with those grows had more to do with other enviromental factors I didn't have dialed in as best I could and my lack of understanding of just what a plant needs than it did with any short comings of MG products.
At this point I'm pretty convinced that everything you need to grow good weed can be found at WallMart, Home Depot and your other local (non-cannabis specific) gardening and nursery centers.
Jack
Jack in the Bud
Active Member
Wow! It didn't take this little Social Mystic long to abandon any pretense at logic or reason to support his anti-Capitalist stance and go right to advocating violence as a means to further his agenda.
And you know it's been my experience that this is a recurring theme with people who adopt a rabidly anti-Capitalism stance. You don't usually have to scratch them very deep until you find their inner Nazi/thug.
There's no way this kid is a tenured professor. I'm guessing he's not to far out of High School, if even that. And just because he once spent a couple of days on a ditch digging crew (before getting run off for being an ignorant, lazy, mouthy little twit who couldn't get along with his co-workers) it doesn't give him a Phd. in Civil Engineering. From what the kid has shown us so far I seriously doubt if he has what it takes to make it thru even the first year of any standard, University level Engineering course.
And, while judging from his parting shot it looks like he's gotten himself all mad and is going to try and posture him self as some one who's to good to discuss complex issues with the rest of us mere mortals, I'm guessing it won't be to long until he pops back up under another screen name. Hell man he's already sounding quite a lot like this "homegrown420 baby" who started this thread.
Jack
owl
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a thread in these forums titled, "Methodical, scientific approach to nutrients and nutrient formulations discussion", holds a wealth of information regarding nutrients.
both fatman and uncle ben give up great info.
judging by the posts from fatman in the thread, i think he has a bit more knowledge than a "college" student, but hey, i'm not one to judge. all i will do is just follow the references and research if it checks out.
both fatman and uncle ben give up great info.
judging by the posts from fatman in the thread, i think he has a bit more knowledge than a "college" student, but hey, i'm not one to judge. all i will do is just follow the references and research if it checks out.
that thread should do your questions some good. be prepared - there is tons of information to make sense out of. if you don't have a basic understanding of chemistry/biology then it will be an adventure. google ftwdankesthours182 said:
Hydrotech364
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I had some success a couple of years ago with Hornbys Big Bud.Then it got hard to find so i switched to a no flavor body building formula.Does the same as far as results but its less expensive and also less salty.i can use it up to the last week.
doc111
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I don't really like trashing others but there was a thread a few months back talking about FF and AN. He (fatman) was trying to say that FF were all organic nutes. Then he tried to parse words about the meaning of the word "organic". Please dude! Even most noobs understand the difference. Smart guy? Perhaps, but I don't know about "tenured professor".
fatman7574
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Now it's my turn to not like trashing others but do it anyway. Wow dude you got your head all screwed up and apparently can't read or comprehend english very well.
I never said FF produced only organic fertilizers. I wrote they consider them selves as principally the suppliers of organic based nutrients and products and that they made this claim in their advertisements. At that time if you plugged liquid organic plant food into yahoo the first thing that popped up was 10 listing's of either the Fox Farmfox Farm site or sights selling there products. Now it is down to 5 of the 10 sites listed. They were then know as the place to get organic nutrients and products. Then Botanicare starting taking over, then they bought out Fox Farm. Now f FF is diown to half as many top listings Go Ffigure.
Since they have become a Botanicare subsidiary they not run the same adds even on their home page which is now a Botanicare page. Botanicare has softened the claim to; "Because organic ingredients play such a large role in our company, all formulas are handcrafted in small batches to ensure superior consistency and quality control." Sure sounds like a company who's calinm to fame is organic products. Then some dimwit started arguing that Big bloom is their only organic nutrient. That is not true. He then made some absurd argument about what is or is nor organic. I then wrote the differing definitions of organic and how they don/t apply to fertilix zers and thatthere really is no government or industry standard for what a organic fertilizer is or is not. there still is not one. Another person then chimed in with what some popular TV home repair man said is or is not an organic fertilizer. This affirmed by his "professional"opinion" that FF sells more than one organic fertilizer.
As the original poster did not know the general definition of an organic versus a chemical fertlizer and as you are talking trash now I can safely bet most forum viewers do not know what constitutes a fertilizer being allowed to be called organic. So if your gonna talk *hit about me learn to comprehend english and realise that FF sells more than one organic fertilizers and that is all I really argued other then the fact that FF was/is manily known for its line of organic fertilizers and soils and that they adevertised that their chief interest and goal was chiefly supply organic and organically based products.
As for being a tenured professor with a Phd. It requires a PhD to teach agraduate level course in any colleges with quality accreditation. If I am not a Phd the graduate students I lectured this afternoon for an environmental engineering course Unit Processes: Chemical and Physical which is a course on designing a water treatment plant got screwed.
So believe what ever you wish about me, as long as you learn something, somehow, someway, within this forum. That is the reason I post replies to aasure you have that oppurtunity. I am not here to be socialble, to make friends or to establish contacts with growers or wanna be growers. I am quite content to be a 3 time divorced, fat, old, over educated professor who has for decades made a 6 figured income. I can have a bag of Mj seeds any time to just sit in a rocking chair with a bowl and a dozen strains or phenotypes at my disposal to smoke away the rest of my days. Not to bad of a position for someone who started smoking pot 46 years ago when a good four finger bag cost $15 to $20. But then The U.S. started funding the sprayng of paraquat in 1975 and we had to start growing better and better and better pot. Luch kily I started growing in 1974. Whoope.
I have no unmet needs but the desire to share what I have learned in over 35 years of growing, in 12 years of college cousrse and in 17 years of teaching. I need and really don't want more friends. Addits die too often too young and almost all of them are as big a ass holes as me. The typical addict is an ego maniac with an inferiority complex. Sound familiar. Most do have/practice better social skills than me however. I find it deceiving, often totaaly false and disingenuine when people behave "civilly." I generally don't waste my time with such foolish mannerisms. It is however a great way to set your self up to be used, abused and *rewed. No thank you.
Smoke it up dude.
fatman7574
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Fertilizers for Dummies 101. Yeah CrackerJax, what a contribution.
Vindicated
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A horticulturist recently told me that you don't really need to add any more fungi to the soil, unless the soil has been ruined by acid rain. A long time ago plants evolved a symbiotic relationship with the fungi. The plant gives away its sugar to the fungi, and the fungi help carry the nutrients closer to the roots. This way the roots don't have to travel as far or grow as dense, saving the plant energy that can be better used for vegetative & reproductive growth.
What was even more interesting was his position on sterile soils. In theory, adding fungi to sterilized potting soil will help the plant, because the fungi can help grab more nutrients. However, since your adding nutrients yourself on a regular basis, the plant's roots don't have to search to find the nutrients. What your left with is a fungi that feeds on the sugars, but doesn't add any real value to the plant.
I'll admit, before talking to an actual expert on the subject I was sold on the idea of adding these little buggers to my garden. I even raved about Kelloggs Starter Fertilizer for this very reason. However, after being educated to these facts it was like a lightbulb going off.
What was even more interesting was his position on sterile soils. In theory, adding fungi to sterilized potting soil will help the plant, because the fungi can help grab more nutrients. However, since your adding nutrients yourself on a regular basis, the plant's roots don't have to search to find the nutrients. What your left with is a fungi that feeds on the sugars, but doesn't add any real value to the plant.
I'll admit, before talking to an actual expert on the subject I was sold on the idea of adding these little buggers to my garden. I even raved about Kelloggs Starter Fertilizer for this very reason. However, after being educated to these facts it was like a lightbulb going off.
doc111
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This is the last time I will acknowledge you dude. I really don't care what you have to say about me. People can read and they will make up their own minds about who knows what they are talking about and who is the 15 year old in his mom's basement. Every thread I see you in you are scrapping with someone. You are obviously an immature kid who is starved for attention. Aaawww, it's ok wittle fatman, I'm sure your mommy gives you lots and lots of attention.
BTW: as for you being a tenured professor. I am a billionaire, cowboy, astronaut with a phd in astrophysics. My hobbies are: running with the bulls in Pamplona, climbing Mt. Everest on weekends and I usually dive the Marianas trench at least once a year. See how easy it is to make outrageous claims over the internet?
