Pandemic 2020

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Fogdog

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Queen2Green said:
Absolutely. 100% failing. Everyone is each for their own, there is no sense of community, adaptability, problem solving capabilities being demonstrated in facing our most imminent threat. There is by some, don't get me wrong. But currently not enough to win. That's why we gotta battle online and in person with our friends, family, and strangers to change minds. At the risk of our relationships because really the price is much higher than the economy right now, it's literally our lives. Help people to realize we are all in this togather and the ultimate end game is going to effect each and every one of us. We always knew these types of things were a possiblility. Life will never be the same and the sooner people get used to that the better we can handle it, and get back to economics. Not just in the US but across the globe. US relationships with other countries. The ties to foreign affairs are stretched quite thin. Our ancestors have done it and rebuilt, we will do it too.

The countries that are doing things rights says it all. That's why I say I rely on science for statistics but I don't even need science to speak truths. I can watch whats happening in the world, and see it. It's so obvious.
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This is where conservatives complain about divisiveness. :wall:
 
hillbill

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The rise of extremists like Limbaugh, Hannity, Fux News, The Insane Preacher Posse, along with all the Conspiracy Theorists and Conservatives in general have divided Americans over and over. Now they outkill Osama Bin Laden twice a week.
 
Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
That is the propaganda talking man, there is not a true 'shutdown' here or anywhere that I know of in the states.

But that doesn't mean that there are not rules in place to stop super spreader events from occurring (anything indoors with a lot of people is going to end up with a whole lot of virus spreading).

Delivery guys have a lot less contact with outside public than in a store setting. Groceries stores are all still open here, as are drug stores/gas stations, drive through and pick up food is still all open. Hardware stores here too are still all open, hospitals all that.

We had a bunch of storm damage and the power company still showed up and got the work done.

The problem is in America we had a lot of people who work in those industries that are tip-base pay that are screwed, possibly forever.

As soon as you get into the political realm and correctly identify the tens of millions of 'anti-left' people that have attached themselves to Trump, you left reality by the political talking point of left is going to shut everything down with a 'boot heel', I would question where you heard anyone say this, because this is untrue.

Science is saying we need to be careful, that working with a bunch of people in a confined area is going to end up spreading germs if we are not. Trump has wasted 7 months to get ahead of this virus. He should have just shut up and did his job like Clinton did when he was impeached, and got everyone in America PPE, and guidance on how to safely get about doing their daily life during the threat of the pandemic. I suggest checking this statement Biden put out a while ago for a better idea of what the 'left's' plans are talking about doing.

Instead Trump had to go on a couple months vacation as he was buzzing NASCAR, golfing and calling everything negative a 'hoax' because he is a rich spoiled brat that has no clue what he is doing other than the old sales technique, 'always be closing'.

The problem is I have no idea what it is that you have seen that makes you feel the way you do, because that is the power of micro targeting.
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He's Canadian and doesn't really understand what you said. I can only imagine how confusing it is to read up on what's happening here. So it's not completely his fault. How does somebody who isn't mainstreamed in the US society even keep up with what's going on here? DIY is making a pretty good effort but I think he's more the exception than the rule. Even then, one can tell that the information he gets is stale and filtered through his own societies norms. This fisherman, on the other hand seems to be obsessed with cost and not value.
 
Five of diamonds

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Fogdog said:
He's Canadian and doesn't really understand what you said. I can only imagine how confusing it is to read up on what's happening here. So it's not completely his fault. How does somebody who isn't mainstreamed in the US society even keep up with what's going on here? DIY is making a pretty good effort but I think he's more the exception than the rule. Even then, one can tell that the information
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Fogdog said:
Sure, feel free, we enjoy repeating the same things over and over again. After all, we are becoming experts at failing to control an epidemic and we are so glad to share our failure with everybody who insists we should just let the virus rip.

The US is a mosaic of severity. Some states are doing pretty well, mine, for example, compared to, say, Georgia. Other states not good at all. As I see it the major difference is in people's behavior. Telltale signs of a community that is doing well are: proactive government that set up a rational system of testing, tracing, and isolating new case; high rates of people wearing masks, people following social distancing guidelines, people minimizing time spent in public spaces. Probably others but those are for starters.

When you say your country is doing well, how do you know? Does everybody get tested who wants to or is there a testing protocol? Does the government report simple statistics or do they use those numbers in models to provide a better estimate for how many get sick? How many are being tested and is that enough to provide an accurate assessment? How confident are you that the numbers are accurate and why?

I keep hearing from others the complaint on the price of responding to the virus. You might as well complain about the weather. The virus changed everything, including economic health of nations. It arrived with a minimum cost in lives and resources. From there, anything we do can only increase those costs but won't reduce them below that starting point. The worldwide cost of this epidemic started off at a horrendously high number and it's getting worse by the day. When I hear people complain about the cost, it sounds an awful lot like the things people say about the cost of education, healthcare and roads. I see those as investments and not costs.
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If its a burden, then don't reply.

Investments in what exactly? Your future? Future of what? I do live in Canada atm and how much debt are we in now over this? Naw thats okay though, who cares. Its not like this is just the start and won't go on and on and deeper and deeper. I mean what would losing 10% of the population be worth to you? 20 trillion in debt? How about 30 trillion? Will that help your descendants? It's only just the beginning. If these are not worthy things to talk about then I'm sorry I offended you. And if you think those numbers are not really accurate, canada has 1/10 the population of America and we have only been shelling out money/shutting down the economy for 4 and a half months and its cost around 340 billion last i read .again what are the REAL numbers? True costs? I guess we don't know but I think we can assume if it's going to be a trillion for canada, then it will be at least 10x more for America, no? What if this goes on for 3-5 years? And again what would be the cost financially for doing nothing and the let it ride plan? Maybe a lot more. I don't think anyone knows.

What the fuck is wrong with talking about this? Not everyone has the same veiw on value, life or money. Don't you consider that a subjective topic?
 
Five of diamonds

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Queen2Green said:
There's never gonna be a "true" shutdown in that sense you're speaking of. It's impossible. The best we can do is close non essential businesses that attract groups of people, wear masks, and stay 6 feet apart. That will atleast slow the spread down to help relieve our hospital systems and allow for continued care of those who need it. Like I said before, if we don't slow this down now, we are gonna have a lot more deaths on our hands of people that don't even have covid.

You can live just fine without leaving your home, I've been doing it for 5 months. My backyard is my playground. I work from home. Groceries are delivered outside no contact. I've already online shopped for years. I use disinfectant on everything before it comes in the house. I am stupid careful, because I'm technically not even in remission yet. It can be done and it's not even that hard to do! The hardest part about it is missing contact with friends and family.

We know what will happen if everything is done half-assed, we already did that and 4-8 weeks is likely grossly underestimated. I'm curious to see what happens next. It honestly blows my mind that otherwise seemingly logical people can't wrap their brain around whats honestly happening. I don't even need science for that it's so obvious.



I've never been called a troll, thats a first. LOL. I will see myself out of your political section. I'm working anyways..
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I probably didn't make myself clear. I don't actually think there will be a hard core true shutdown because I agree it's not possible. I am not saying there is some bullshit conspiracy and that the boot heel of the government will actually be used in that way.
 
Queen2Green

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Five of diamonds said:
If its a burden, then don't reply.

Investments in what exactly? Your future? Future of what? I do live in Canada atm and how much debt are we in now over this? Naw thats okay though, who cares. Its not like this is just the start and won't go on and on and deeper and deeper. I mean what would losing 10% of the population be worth to you? 20 trillion in debt? How about 30 trillion? Will that help your descendants? It's only just the beginning. If these are not worthy things to talk about then I'm sorry I offended you. And if you think those numbers are not really accurate, canada has 1/10 the population of America and we have only been shelling out money/shutting down the economy for 4 and a half months and its cost around 340 billion last i read .again what are the REAL numbers? True costs? I guess we don't know but I think we can assume if it's going to be a trillion for canada, then it will be at least 10x more for America, no? What if this goes on for 3-5 years? And again what would be the cost financially for doing nothing and the let it ride plan? Maybe a lot more. I don't think anyone knows.

What the fuck is wrong with talking about this? Not everyone has the same veiw on value, life or money. Don't you consider that a subjective topic?
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This is exactly why I say we have dark days ahead. Some will value money. Some will value lives. Neither will be willing to sacrifice their beliefs due to the all around impact the virus is having on society. This nations divide runs deeper than the grand canyon.

Many are more likely to be swayed to one side or the other based on their personal situation, rather than beliefs. There is already protests all over and trump would literally have to sic the whole millitary on us to attempt to control this nation. People are in flat out rebellion. Those are facts. They are not going to listen. Everyone is in "do what I want" mode. Some for the greater good, some for the greatest evil. It's a war and we don't have enough bullets.

There's alot of "what ifs" in your reply. We haven't seen nothing yet. Pretty sure what he mean was taking care of Americans now is investing in our future. Because if it's left to play out like this - I wonder do we have a future. Yes, the expense to America to do what's necessary will be great. The expense if we don't will be greater.

Thats why it's so important to keep talking to people, and communicating. Respectfully, if possible. We have all lived different lives, walked different paths, and have different idea's on how the world works, and should work. Even when we are like-minded we still are not the same. The only way we are gonna see this through is communication and compromise.

I still have faith we can manage that one day.. atleast I hope so for the sake of all.
 
Five of diamonds

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Queen2Green said:
This is exactly why I say we have dark days ahead. Some will value money. Some will value lives. Neither will be willing to sacrifice their beliefs due to the all around impact the virus is having on society. This nations divide runs deeper than the grand canyon.

Many are more likely to be swayed to one side or the other based on their personal situation, rather than beliefs. There is already protests all over and trump would literally have to sic the whole millitary on us to attempt to control this nation. People are in flat out rebellion. Those are facts. They are not going to listen. Everyone is in "do what I want" mode. Some for the greater good, some for the greatest evil. It's a war and we don't have enough bullets.

There's alot of "what ifs" in your reply. We haven't seen nothing yet. Pretty sure what he mean was taking care of Americans now is investing in our future. Because if it's left to play out like this - I wonder do we have a future. Yes, the expense to America to do what's necessary will be great. The expense if we don't will be greater.

Thats why it's so important to keep talking to people, and communicating. Respectfully, if possible. We have all lived different lives, walked different paths, and have different idea's on how the world works, and should work. Even when we are like-minded we still are not the same. The only way we are gonna see this through is communication and compromise.

I still have faith we can manage that one day.. atleast I hope so for the sake of all.
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I 100% agree. I am not trying to be a prick or be rude either. I am MORE worried about the loss of life aspect than the economy. Its just gonna be real bad by the end. I don't want everything to get fucked.
 
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Florida Man Receives $3.9 Million in COVID-19 Relief Funds, Buys a Lamborghini and Gets Arrested for Fraud .... :wall:

A Florida man has been charged with fraud and other criminal offenses after receiving $3.9 million in COVID-19 relief funds and using the money to purchase, among other things, a Lamborghini.
David T. Hines, 29, was arrested on Friday and charged on Monday according to a statement by the Department of Justice. Over $3 million has been seized from his bank accounts along with the sports vehicle.

Authorities allege that Hines fraudulently applied for about $13.5 million in Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans for a few companies. PPP, part of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, was enacted on March 29 to provide small businesses with forgivable loans. Any money given to a company on behalf of the program is supposed to be used for rent or mortgage costs, employee salaries and utilities.

According to the DOJ’s statement, Hines lied on the loan applications and made inaccurate statements about the expenses of the companies, including the amount paid to employees.

“Those purported employees either did not exist or earned a fraction of what Hines claimed in his PPP applications,” U.S. Postal Inspector Bryan Masmela says in an affidavit, according to the Miami Herald. “Collectively, Hines falsely claimed his companies paid millions of dollars in payroll in the first quarter of 2020. State and bank records, however, show little to no payroll expense during this period.”
Hines was approved for funding and received $3.9 million. Just a few days after getting the money, he bought the Lamborghini for $318,000. He is also alleged to have purchased luxury items from stores and resorts.
In the past few weeks, Florida has become one of the hotspots for U.S. COVID-19 cases and recently passed New York for having the second-most confirmed cases in the country, behind California.

Hines was in federal custody over the weekend, released on bond on Monday and is scheduled to be arraigned on Oct. 14.

Much easier just to nuke Florida from orbit .......
 
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King Clorox was on his priority Coronavirus mission with Brett Favre while swinging golf clubs .
Melania is also helping redesign the WH rose garden .

Why anyone supports this Trainwreck of an administration is beyond belief , vote this fat orange sack of goo out .
Let him take that scary cryptkeeper bitch kellyanne , mannequin Kushner , blond inbred ivanka , Moscow Mitch , horse toothed Eric , Donny Dumbfuck jr. and the rest of his worthless band of grifters ...... and go fuck off.

yeah You too , Brett.

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Fogdog

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Budzbuddha said:
King Clorox was on his priority Coronavirus mission with Brett Favre while swinging golf clubs .
Melania is also helping redesign the WH rose garden .

Why anyone supports this Trainwreck of an administration is beyond belief , vote this fat orange sack of goo out .
Let him take that scary cryptkeeper bitch kellyanne , mannequin Kushner , blond inbred ivanka , Moscow Mitch , horse toothed Eric , Donny Dumbfuck jr. and the rest of his worthless band of grifters ...... and go fuck off.

yeah You too , Brett.

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I guess I'm OK with him staying away from the office for another 98 days.
 
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Budzbuddha said:
All that frivolous spending on Presidental corona testing multiple times “ to protect “ him and STILL disregards the basic health protocols.

It’s like watching a idiot light a bottle rocket out of his ass and seeing the explosion unfold.
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If I taped a flight control computer to his forehead, could get enough thrust and vector it, I could make a pig fly, though he might be pitched near vertical, should work for Donald too, he is very pig like... No harm in trying
 
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