Pandemic 2020

captainmorgan · Jan 18, 2022

Here you go again if you still believe in herd immunity with a corona virus, they studied a group of people for 35 years and immunity to corona viruses is short lived. Herd immunity is a fantasy unless they make some breakthrough discovery on how to create a long lasting vaccine for corona viruses.

Seasonal coronavirus protective immunity is short-lasting - Nature Medicine

The durability of immunity to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is unknown. Lessons from seasonal coronavirus infections in humans show that reinfections can occur within 12 months of initial infection, coupled with changes in levels of virus-specific antibodies.

www.nature.com

DurumGallico · Jan 18, 2022

hanimmal said:
Finding someone that says something that you think is meaningful prior to the science being done is essentially trolling.

Looks like it is not the first time this guy says something that can be used by trolls to make seem like it is something far worse than it is to push anti-vaccine propaganda, putting us all at a much larger risk due to idiots thinking this means they should not get vaccinated/boosted.

That's not what i'm doing.
He said what WHO admitted also, even if they don't agree on when and how long will be the switch from pandemic to endemic.
UK, Spain, Israel said we would have to live with it.
You might not agree but don't deny that.

captainmorgan · Jan 18, 2022

There are idiots on every corner of the planet, you're proof of that.

DIY-HP-LED · Jan 18, 2022

captainmorgan said:
Here you go again if you still believe in herd immunity with a corona virus, they studied a group of people for 35 years and immunity to corona viruses is short lived. Herd immunity is a fantasy unless they make some breakthrough discovery on how to create a long lasting vaccine for corona viruses.

Seasonal coronavirus protective immunity is short-lasting - Nature Medicine

The durability of immunity to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is unknown. Lessons from seasonal coronavirus infections in humans show that reinfections can occur within 12 months of initial infection, coupled with changes in levels of virus-specific antibodies.

www.nature.com

I don't think too many people believe in herd immunity for covid anymore, though omicron should give it to us in another couple of months. Like it or not it is a viral vaccine and booster, milder for the vaxxed and even for the unvaxxed, it is hospitalizing and killing people at a much lower rate than delta. It looks to me like older people might get annual booster shots in the fall along with the flu shot and there is evidence of longer term cross immunity from the four common cold coronaviruses. The vaccines can prevent serious illness and hospitalizations as has been proven in real world data. Few vaccines completely prevent disease, but they do prevent the worst outcomes.

hanimmal · Jan 18, 2022

DurumGallico said:
That's not what i'm doing.

I am not sure that I said that is what you were doing?

It could just be that this guy is a loud mouth that gets taken out of context by other trolls that you thought had a point enough to post about it here. Or he could be a troll that tries to push out shit that he knows will be used to forward the anti-vaccine propagandists' agenda.

Who knows.

There are so many rich dickheads out there funding the anti-science agenda that it is worth being skeptical about this kind of spin.

DurumGallico said:
He said what WHO admitted also, even if they don't agree on when and how long will be the switch from pandemic to endemic.
UK, Spain, Israel said we would have to live with it.
You might not agree but don't deny that.

Are you goal post shifting away from the 'boosters' nonsense into saying the pandemic will become endemic?

Flu vaccine boosters are yearly, is there any reason to not think that this might end up being about the same?

captainmorgan · Jan 18, 2022

Wow you sure have a vivid imagination DIY.

DurumGallico · Jan 18, 2022

captainmorgan said:
There are idiots on every corner of the planet, you're proof of that.

Yes thanks man peace to you, too bad vaccine does not prevent against childishness.

injinji · Jan 18, 2022

My buddy was back at work yesterday. Him and his girlfriend had covid. She got hers around Christmas, him around New Year's. He had 3-4 real bad days, but says he feels 75% of his old self. His girlfriend was much worse. She went to the ER for treatment. She got the cocktail and it seemed to help her.

My boss's daughter in law and the maintenance man's son also has it. Makes it kind of scary going to work.

captainmorgan · Jan 18, 2022

What ever you say flat earther.

DurumGallico · Jan 18, 2022

hanimmal said:
I am not sure that I said that is what you were doing?

It could just be that this guy is a loud mouth that gets taken out of context by other trolls that you thought had a point enough to post about it here. Or he could be a troll that tries to push out shit that he knows will be used to forward the anti-vaccine propagandists' agenda.

Who knows.

So why saying this about the link i sent ?
Top health organizations and countries are saying this, don't think it's a matter of trolling or antivax propaganda but just facts and valuable previsions.

hanimmal said:
There are so many rich dickheads out there funding the anti-science agenda that it is worth being skeptical about this kind of spin.

Are you goal post shifting away from the 'boosters' nonsense into saying the pandemic will become endemic?

Flu vaccine boosters are yearly, is there any reason to not think that this might end up being about the same?

"booster nonsense" yeah none of you achieved to prove it was but if you say so.
That's not me saying this, just check the news.
Well for weak people who need it, sure why not. But certainly not for all +12yo every three months, no.

hanimmal · Jan 18, 2022

DurumGallico said:
So why saying this about the link i sent ?
Top health organizations and countries are saying this, don't think it's a matter of trolling or antivax propaganda but just facts and valuable previsions.

"booster nonsense" yeah none of you achieved to prove it was but if you say so.
That's not me saying this, just check the news.
Well for weak people who need it, sure why not. But certainly not for all +12yo every three months, no.

See now you went from one guy who works at one of these organizations to 'top health organizations and countries are saying this'. I really think you are stretching shit to try to pretend like what you said is true.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/pandemic-2020.1008556/post-16759288

https://www.rollitup.org/t/pandemic-2020.1008556/post-16759591

Your bullshit anti-vaccine trolling about how vaccines are going to need to be boosted every 3 months is the bullshit propaganda that is not being said except by trolls. No amount of your spin or anger-baiting with digs like it's the 'weak people' getting the vaccine/boosters is going to change that.

zeddd · Jan 18, 2022

captainmorgan said:
Herd immunity is a myth and won't work with corona viruses. If they are not able to create a vaccine with real lasting protection it's a moot point jenius.

Look up memory B lymphocytes and stop painicking

captainmorgan · Jan 18, 2022

zeddd said:
Look up memory B lymphocytes and stop painicking

What don't you understand about that long corona virus study that says immunity doesn't last?

DurumGallico · Jan 18, 2022

hanimmal said:
See now you went from one guy who works at one of these organizations to 'top health organizations and countries are saying this'. I really think you are stretching shit to try to pretend like what you said is true.

It's not "one guy working there", it's the head of the vaccine strategy. EMA is a top health organization. Spain, UK and Israel are saying, as top health organizations like EMA or WHO, we will shift from pandemic to endemic.
You may not agree with them, but stop denying these while focusing on my supposedly dishonesty.

hanimmal said:
Your bullshit anti-vaccine trolling about how vaccines are going to need to be boosted every 3 months is the bullshit propaganda that is not being said except by trolls. No amount of your spin or anger-baiting with digs like it's the 'weak people' getting the vaccine/boosters is going to change that.

Yes that's why Israel was already managing 4th dose in global population before the massive omicron spreading.
That's why we perfectly know immune response is lowering few weeks after the shot, even a third one.
Again, EMA doesn't make declarations lightly, if they are warning about regular booster doses it's not for nothing,
We'll see in a few months how it turns, but yeah definitely some crazy old people would really like to vax everyone every three months thinking it would save their ass. Hopefully it won't be the case

hanimmal · Jan 18, 2022

DurumGallico said:
It's not "one guy working there", it's the head of the vaccine strategy. EMA is a top health organization. Spain, UK and Israel are saying, as top health organizations like EMA or WHO, we will shift from pandemic to endemic.
You may not agree with them, but stop denying these while focusing on my supposedly dishonesty.

You quoted a statement by one guy.

And are now pretending like he was saying something that somehow makes a bullshit statement like getting a booster every three months is legitimate.

That is the Death Cult trolling nonsense.

DurumGallico said:
Yes that's why Israel was already managing 4th dose in global population before the massive omicron spreading.
That's why we perfectly know immune response is lowering few weeks after the shot, even a third one.
Again, EMA doesn't make declarations lightly, if they are warning about regular booster doses it's not for nothing,
We'll see in a few months how it turns, but yeah definitely some crazy old people would really like to vax everyone every three months thinking it would save their ass. Hopefully it won't be the case

lmao. 'Yes that is why we perfectly know'. You are so full of shit.

zeddd · Jan 18, 2022

captainmorgan said:
What don't you understand about that long corona virus study that says immunity doesn't last?

I agree with them and I understand, however you don’t seem to understand how the immune system responds long term due to the presence (for up to decades) of mbl s which mean you get reinfected and illness but morbidity is way down. U.K. currently has 300% increase in cases from the top of the last peak yet fewer hospital admissions. So yes you get sick but nowhere near as bad.

DurumGallico · Jan 18, 2022

hanimmal said:
You quoted a statement by one guy.

And are now pretending like he was saying something that somehow makes a bullshit statement like getting a booster every three months is legitimate.

That is the Death Cult trolling nonsense.

No it's an official declaration from EMA, since he's the head of vaccine strategy and said that during an official press conference. But keep denying he's making sense, really don't give a damn shit about it.

Europe's drug regulator joins WHO in pushback against excessive COVID boosters

More and more influential figures are talking about COVID becoming merely endemic.

fortune.com

Also, yeah, fortune reporting official WHO declarations, sure it's death cult trolling nonsense, that's not you who are absolutely full of shit.

"The World Health Organization also said Tuesday that vaccination strategies "based on repeated booster doses of the original vaccine composition [are] unlikely to be appropriate or sustainable." The WHO also repeated its frequently expressed warning that giving primary vaccinations to those in poorer countries was a higher priority, and urged vaccine makers to provide data on the vaccines they are developing to target new variants."

hanimmal said:
lmao. 'Yes that is why we perfectly know'. You are so full of shit.

Yeah that's why Israel is already trying 4th doses to increase protection, and sadly first results about it are mitigate. That's because third dose has an everlasting protection and we don't need a fourth lol.

Israeli trial, world’s first, finds 4th dose ‘not good enough’ against Omicron

Expert at Sheba Medical Center says jab raises COVID antibody levels, but there are ‘still a lot of infections’ among those who received it

www.timesofisrael.com

captainmorgan · Jan 18, 2022

I've read the broad strokes of the immune system and virus evolution and have a basic understanding. What you don't understand is that this particular corona virus seems to be hijacking the immune response and is better at evading and manipulating it. A new study came out showing covid causing the death of T cells. Any way I'm not panicking, I'm just not accepting that infection is inevitable, I think that little gem comes from the antivaxers.

C. Nesbitt · Jan 18, 2022

captainmorgan said:
What don't you understand about that long corona virus study that says immunity doesn't last?

I’m not going to pretend to be a doctor or health expert, but I read a lot and am fairly logical. The hope with this pandemic is that at some point, peoples’ immune systems will have seen enough exposure to multiple COVID variants and/or vaccinations that immune response eventually will be similar to a cold. I’m also perfectly willing to get more shots if they have a chance to prevent me from getting sick, but I’ve always been pretty willing to put various things in my body. Some are not so willing and I try to respect that.
I’m not all rainbows and unicorns about the imminent end of the pandemic like DIY, but also not as doom and gloom as you are.
Long term we will most likely adapt. This is not the first novel corona virus humans have encountered and won’t be the last. The ability we have to genetically sequence viruses and identity variants is also unprecedented.
There is also almost too much information available to us right now, some good, some shitty.
I personally feel more optimistic right now than I did this time last year, even with the absurd infection rates going on. My wife has it right now and it was so much more mild than when she had it last year. She gets out of quarantine tomorrow but was really only feeling ill for a day this time and even that was so mild she debated even getting tested.
I may have had it too and was just asymptomatic. Hearing similar stories from friends and relatives and reading similar experiences online. That’s all anecdotal obviously, but fits with the narrative that this round is not as bad. Long Covid is a different story. However, my wife had the flu about 8 years ago that resulted in symptoms lasting for more than 6 months afterwards. COVID is not the first virus with the ability to cause long term problems in some people.

hanimmal · Jan 18, 2022

DurumGallico said:
No it's an official declaration from EMA, since he's the head of vaccine strategy and said that during an official press conference. But keep denying he's making sense, really don't give a damn shit about it.

Europe's drug regulator joins WHO in pushback against excessive COVID boosters

More and more influential figures are talking about COVID becoming merely endemic.

fortune.com

Also, yeah, fortune reporting official WHO declarations, sure it's death cult trolling nonsense, that's not you who are absolutely full of shit.

"The World Health Organization also said Tuesday that vaccination strategies "based on repeated booster doses of the original vaccine composition [are] unlikely to be appropriate or sustainable." The WHO also repeated its frequently expressed warning that giving primary vaccinations to those in poorer countries was a higher priority, and urged vaccine makers to provide data on the vaccines they are developing to target new variants."

Yeah that's why Israel is already trying 4th doses to increase protection, and sadly first results about it are mitigate. That's because third dose has an everlasting protection and we don't need a fourth lol.

Israeli trial, world’s first, finds 4th dose ‘not good enough’ against Omicron

Expert at Sheba Medical Center says jab raises COVID antibody levels, but there are ‘still a lot of infections’ among those who received it

www.timesofisrael.com

Funny enough none of those links you posted say anything about a booster every 3 months. Just more moving goalpost anti vaccine noise.

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C. Nesbitt said:
I’m not going to pretend to be a doctor or health expert, but I read a lot and am fairly logical. The hope with this pandemic is that at some point, peoples’ immune systems will have seen enough exposure to multiple COVID variants and/or vaccinations that immune response eventually will be similar to a cold. I’m also perfectly willing to get more shots if they have a chance to prevent me from getting sick, but I’ve always been pretty willing to put various things in my body. Some are not so willing and I try to respect that.
I’m not all rainbows and unicorns about the imminent end of the pandemic like DIY, but also not as doom and gloom as you are.
Long term we will most likely adapt. This is not the first novel corona virus humans have encountered and won’t be the last. The ability we have to genetically sequence viruses and identity variants is also unprecedented.
There is also almost too much information available to us right now, some good, some shitty.
I personally feel more optimistic right now than I did this time last year, even with the absurd infection rates going on. My wife has it right now and it was so much more mild than when she had it last year. She gets out of quarantine tomorrow but was really only feeling ill for a day this time and even that was so mild she debated even getting tested.
I may have had it too and was just asymptomatic. Hearing similar stories from friends and relatives and reading similar experiences online. That’s all anecdotal obviously, but fits with the narrative that this round is not as bad. Long Covid is a different story. However, my wife had the flu about 8 years ago that resulted in symptoms lasting for more than 6 months afterwards. COVID is not the first virus with the ability to cause long term problems in some people.

Sad think is though that the Flu still kills tend of thousands of Americans every year. You would think we would have figured out wearing masks/not working sick/ proper ventilation by now.

Im glad you guys are vaccinated and doing well, best of luck.

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