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captainmorgan

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Almost all of them are unvaxxed and delta, if it were as contagious, would have hospitalized thousands and killed a few too.

Mild only refers to the number of hospitalizations and deaths vs the number of cases, when compared to the previous wave it is mild, with delta you'd be having a lot more than 125 deaths a day. Omicron is better at escaping vaccines and will infect the vaccinated too, but with milder cases than the unvaxxed would get. These are only averages though and some individuals will become sick and die from omicron, especially if they are unvaxxed.
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You're full of shit on this post along with a lot of other stuff.
 
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schuylaar

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so i woke up this morning and made coffee and opened the curtains.

pot luck.jpg

i don't burn flower- so not mine and i'm not ground floor so miracle or not? does this bless me with unlimited weed for the rest of my life?

it happened during Omicron Variant..what am i being told here?
 
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After hitting a record high 42K infections on a single day in NL things seem to stabilize a bit. Still 35K a day. Previous waves record was 12K.

No expert will claim omicron is mild without nuance or context. It is of course relative. Compared to delta it is mild in regards to hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths. Plenty of real world data, studies and experts support this fact. We got 4x as many infections yet half the hospitalizations compared to previous waves.

Turns out the majority of people with covid in hospitals here are in the hospital 'with' covid, not because of covid. Of the few hundred that are in hospitals because of covid, the majority is overweight, not vaxxed, and almost all have delta, not omicron.
 
C. Nesbitt

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…Turns out the majority of people with covid in hospitals here are in the hospital 'with' covid, not because of covid. Of the few hundred that are in hospitals because of covid, the majority is overweight, not vaxxed, and almost all have delta, not omicron.
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Not arguing with you but please cite a reference to back this up. The “with Covid” vs “because of COVID” language is showing up in a lot of anti-vax propaganda on social media in the US, hence the skepticism.
 
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C. Nesbitt said:
Not arguing with you but please cite a reference to back this up. The “with Covid” vs “because of COVID” language is showing up in a lot of anti-vax propaganda on social media in the US, hence the skepticism.
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If I happen to run into an english article covering this news I’ll post it but like I lack the motivation to address skepticism caused by what wacko anti-vaxxers in the US say. I don’t share opinions or pretend to be a virologist, I just relay statistics and facts from strictly authoritative sources. In this case from the most reliable authority on the matter in my country.

Ugh.. you said please.. Ok let me put it this way then: We’re currently one of the few countries in europe, if not only one, in lockdown. Which like pretty much all measures and restrictions here is dictated primarily by the number of hospitalizations (we have relatively low icu capacity). I just watched 2 hours of live debate in our house of reps where the just installed new cabinet eventually promised to provide the chamber with more accurate numbers (as in hospitalizations because of covid, not with) from now on and the lockdown will very likely be ended for this very reason. The president of acute healthcare and person responsible for spreading patients to prevent overloading hospitals, a prominent figure during the pandemic, professor at the top medical uni, is now minister of health. We replaced a few politicians with scientists. I have no reason to believe he, the entire government and all hospitals are lying while they admit and correct this mistake in reporting. The expectation is the number of hospitalizations because of covid is at least 30% lower than the total including patients “with” covid. For reported covid ICU admissions the number is already known, almost 10% isn’t actually there because of covid.

It’s also already older news at our neighbors in Germany and the UK, where too at least 30% isn’t actually hospitalized “because” of covid. I have no idea who and what is included in the stats in the US but even a broken clock is right twice a day so those anti-vaxxers might not be wrong entirely. Cherrypicking facts to illogically support their own desired conclusions is not uncommon for those spreading propaganda. Doesn’t necessarily mean the fact is ‘alternative’.

Anyway, take it or leave it :)
 
C. Nesbitt

C. Nesbitt

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Sativied said:
If I happen to run into an english article covering this news I’ll post it but like I lack the motivation to address skepticism caused by what wacko anti-vaxxers in the US say. I don’t share opinions or pretend to be a virologist, I just relay statistics and facts from strictly authoritative sources. In this case from the most reliable authority on the matter in my country.

Ugh.. you said please.. Ok let me put it this way then: We’re currently one of the few countries in europe, if not only one, in lockdown. Which like pretty much all measures and restrictions here is dictated primarily by the number of hospitalizations (we have relatively low icu capacity). I just watched 2 hours of live debate in our house of reps where the just installed new cabinet eventually promised to provide the chamber with more accurate numbers (as in hospitalizations because of covid, not with) from now on and the lockdown will very likely be ended for this very reason. The president of acute healthcare and person responsible for spreading patients to prevent overloading hospitals, a prominent figure during the pandemic, professor at the top medical uni, is now minister of health. We replaced a few politicians with scientists. I have no reason to believe he, the entire government and all hospitals are lying while they admit and correct this mistake in reporting. The expectation is the number of hospitalizations because of covid is at least 30% lower than the total including patients “with” covid. For reported covid ICU admissions the number is already known, almost 10% isn’t actually there because of covid.

It’s also already older news at our neighbors in Germany and the UK, where too at least 30% isn’t actually hospitalized “because” of covid. I have no idea who and what is included in the stats in the US but even a broken clock is right twice a day so those anti-vaxxers might not be wrong entirely. Cherrypicking facts to illogically support their own desired conclusions is not uncommon for those spreading propaganda. Doesn’t necessarily mean the fact is ‘alternative’.

Anyway, take it or leave it :)
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Thank you.
 
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schuylaar

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After hitting a record high 42K infections on a single day in NL things seem to stabilize a bit. Still 35K a day. Previous waves record was 12K.

No expert will claim omicron is mild without nuance or context. It is of course relative. Compared to delta it is mild in regards to hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths. Plenty of real world data, studies and experts support this fact. We got 4x as many infections yet half the hospitalizations compared to previous waves.

Turns out the majority of people with covid in hospitals here are in the hospital 'with' covid, not because of covid. Of the few hundred that are in hospitals because of covid, the majority is overweight, not vaxxed, and almost all have delta, not omicron.
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you're so lucky..that's nothing we have 1M daily now. Omicron isn't mild- those who get and have been vaxxed to the max get to stay home and wish they were dead (my friends words)..the others are fatty fats overwhelming our hospitals. here, i consider the odds of getting hurt and having to go to hospital before i go anywhere. my spies notify me when it arrives in their store and it's everywhere.

this is certainly not something that you go out and 'get, to get it over with' like some moronic idiots spreading disinfo.
 
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Well, you have a 20x larger population so the numbers aren't actually that far apart. But I do feel lucky I can largely avoid binary left vs right simplistic discussions stripped of all nuance and context, like "omicron is/isn't mild" that are at the same level as "masks [don't] work".

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this is certainly not something that you go out and 'get, to get it over with' like some moronic idiots spreading disinfo.
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Right, that would be moronic and idiotic, because being milder than previous variants in terms of hospitalizations and deaths, on a population as a whole, doesn't equal mild symptoms for every patient. Nobody ever claimed it did.
 
captainmorgan

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2 more people who visited pet stores in Hong Kong have tested positive for coronavirus. Infected hamsters were found at both locations
 
CunningCanuk

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www.cambridgetoday.ca

Ontario reports 75 COVID deaths in Thursday update

The Jan. 20 report also includes 12,578 recoveries, 7,757 new COVID cases, and 594 COVID-positive patients in intensive care units
www.cambridgetoday.ca www.cambridgetoday.ca

We don’t track cases anymore in Ontario so who knows what the situation really is. You have to be practically on death’s door to get a PCR test. In less than 2 weeks Ontario will be open for business again, just like nothing is going on.

who would have thought the crackhead brother was the smart one?
 
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