Cracks me up that people STILL don't get this grow method or why we do what we do. I was thinking last night.. I bet it's possible to get a cupe out of a computer case. I know.. laughable, right? Well.. v12 gets ~20g / plant, right? I can fit 6 cups in my server tower. If, over time, I can get what he gets out of a cup (I have a veg. chamber for cloning, too.. guaranteed fems), that's 6x20g = 120g. QP=112g. Now, not sure what you guys think, but a QP is a QP.. 6 small plants or one big one. Who gives a fuck?