Pence?

Rob Roy

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why do you defend, apologize for, and excuse every bigot you can find?

why not oppose bigotry and racism rather than defend it?

Why do you defend, apologize and excuse instances of involuntary human interactions on a forcible systemic basis ?

Why not oppose involuntary human interactions and defend peoples right to chose their own path but not the paths of others ?
 

Flaming Pie

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I wouldn't as long as they are polite to EVERYONE.
I would tell say something to them.
Mike Pence used campaign funds to pay his mortgage — and it cost him an election


A brochure from Mike Pence’s 1988 House race, the first of two election defeats that helped shape Pence’s future political image. (Congressman Philip R. Sharp Papers/Ball State University Libraries)
Mike Pence was a young lawyer on the rise, challenging a longtime Democratic congressman in a Republican-leaning Indiana district.

And then, scandal.

Campaign finance records from the 1990 effort showed that Pence, then 31, had been using political donations to pay the mortgage on his house, his personal credit card bill, groceries, golf tournament fees and car payments for his wife.

The spending had not been illegal at the time. But it stunned voters — and undermined Pence’s strategy to portray the incumbent, Rep. Philip R. Sharp, as tainted by donations from special-interest political action committees.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mike-pence-used-campaign-funds-to-pay-his-mortgage--and-it-cost-him-an-election/2016/07/15/90858964-49ed-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html?campaign_id=A100&campaign_type=Email
Key words being, not illegal at the time.

How is this different than paying your family a salary to work on your campaign? I believe bernie did that.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Key words being, not illegal at the time.

How is this different than paying your family a salary to work on your campaign? I believe bernie did that.
Seriously?

smh

There is nothing wrong with paying a person for doing a job as long as that pay is reasonable for the work they are actually doing. What was Bernie paying his family? Was it $450k per year for a part time job to his brother in law like I just read about some Republican state rep doing? Though I would like to point out that both parties do this routinely - but they get their ass kicked in the public eye for it... depending on their district.

I believe that Pence could have paid himself a salary according to the law but that sort of thing is frowned on by the voters - as is paying your day to day bills. Why the hell didn't Pence pay himself a salary and pay his own bills? Because he couldn't hide it as well. Do you really believe the frugal people of Indiana condone such shit? No way.

So he is a coward and a conman - a perfect compliment for TRUMP! If only he were a bully. I wonder if he is.......

No offense Pie, but your way of looking at things surprises me.

EDIT:
According to Jane O’Meara Sanders, the senator’s wife, Sanders’ House campaigns paid her more than $90,000 for consulting and ad placement services from 2002 to 2004. She pocketed about $30,000 of that money.

Her daughter Carina Driscoll, Sanders’ stepdaughter, also drew a salary from the campaign. She was paid more than $65,000 between 2000 and 2004, according to her mother.


Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-bernie-sanders-caught-funneling-money-to/#ixzz4EaGWTKHQ

So the stepdaughter got $65,000 over 5 years and the wife got $90K for three - pocketing $30K - whatever that means.
 
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bearkat42

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Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed a law this year that mandated funerals for fetuses

The law did something truly bizarre. It would have basically forced women to seek funerary services for a fetus — whether she’d had an abortion or a miscarriage, and no matter how far along the pregnancy was. The law Pence backed would have required all fetal tissue to be cremated or buried, an unprecedented measure in state law. The law also banned abortion if the fetus had a "disability" like Down syndrome, which would have also denied women the right to end a pregnancy in the event of more serious fetal anomalies.


http://www.vox.com/2016/7/14/12190380/mike-pence-trump-vice-president-abortion-funerals-fetuses
 

Unclebaldrick

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I would tell say something to them.

Key words being, not illegal at the time.

How is this different than paying your family a salary to work on your campaign? I believe bernie did that.
Sorry if I am over-reacting but this "not illegal at the time" argument really frosts me. Is that a defense?

This "not illegal at the time" mentality is exactly what I fucking hate about TRUMP! and his ilk. So many of his business deals are a sham and a rip-off.

A rip-off is always a rip-off! And "rip-off artists" suffer from a moral flaw that disqualifies them from being President in my eyes. I agree that Hillary is awful - but there are so many that are so much worse than her - TRUMP! is their poster boy. This man steals from people and brags about it. Hillary feathers her own nest as effectively as anybody I have ever seen but at least has shame about it. Trump is a faker and a taker - he uses the legal structure for protection while enriching himself and making society worse.

He is one of the type of pricks that sat around in the 90s thinking up schemes about how to get people in the lower middle class to leverage their futures so they could all get private jets. So they rigged the housing market and gave fraudulent incentives to get them to borrow their salaries for the next 30 years. Then they sold those debts off to retired people and blew up the market. But they got real nice jets... and yachts. Jail? bahahahaha!

Government is not a business and should not be run like one. It is government's fucking job to protect us from these people. The real exploitation is not happening in the streets.
 
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schuylaar

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Sorry if I am over-reacting but this "not illegal at the time" argument really frosts me. Is that a defense?

This "not illegal at the time" mentality is exactly what I fucking hate about TRUMP! and his ilk. So many of his business deals are a sham and a rip-off.

A rip-off is always a rip-off! And "rip-off artists" suffer from a moral flaw that disqualifies them from being President in my eyes. I agree that Hillary is awful - but there are so many that are so much worse than her - TRUMP! is they're poster boy. This man steals from people and brags about it. Hillary feathers her own nest as effectively as anybody I have ever seen but at least has shame about it. Trump is a faker and a taker - he uses the legal structure for protection while enriching himself and making society worse.

He is one of the type of pricks that sat around in the 90s thinking up schemes about how to get people in the lower middle class to leverage their futures so they could all get private jets. So they rigged the housing market and gave fraudulent incentives to them. Then they sold those debts off to retired people and blew up the market. But they got real nice jets... and yachts. Jail? bahahahaha!

Government is not a business and should not be run like one. It is government's fucking job to protect us from these people. The real exploitation is not happening in the streets.
Trump is an opportunist narcissist ceo.

So many of them are just like him but without the Tourette's insult feature.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed a law this year that mandated funerals for fetuses

The law did something truly bizarre. It would have basically forced women to seek funerary services for a fetus — whether she’d had an abortion or a miscarriage, and no matter how far along the pregnancy was. The law Pence backed would have required all fetal tissue to be cremated or buried, an unprecedented measure in state law. The law also banned abortion if the fetus had a "disability" like Down syndrome, which would have also denied women the right to end a pregnancy in the event of more serious fetal anomalies.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/14/12190380/mike-pence-trump-vice-president-abortion-funerals-fetuses
I had forgotten that one.

sigh.
 

bundee1

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I would tell say something to them.

Key words being, not illegal at the time.

How is this different than paying your family a salary to work on your campaign? I believe bernie did that.
Gtfo you don't say shit when the assholes here say racist shit. At least the Nazi wears it on the outside like he's allowed to by the 1st amendment, I know his agenda. You on the other hand smile and pretend everything is cool with everybody and you fuck people over when you vote.
 

Flaming Pie

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Gtfo you don't say shit when the assholes here say racist shit. At least the Nazi wears it on the outside like he's allowed to by the 1st amendment, I know his agenda. You on the other hand smile and pretend everything is cool with everybody and you fuck people over when you vote.
Cool story, bro.
 

NLXSK1

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Sorry if I am over-reacting but this "not illegal at the time" argument really frosts me. Is that a defense?

This "not illegal at the time" mentality is exactly what I fucking hate about TRUMP! and his ilk. So many of his business deals are a sham and a rip-off.

A rip-off is always a rip-off! And "rip-off artists" suffer from a moral flaw that disqualifies them from being President in my eyes. I agree that Hillary is awful - but there are so many that are so much worse than her - TRUMP! is their poster boy. This man steals from people and brags about it. Hillary feathers her own nest as effectively as anybody I have ever seen but at least has shame about it. Trump is a faker and a taker - he uses the legal structure for protection while enriching himself and making society worse.

He is one of the type of pricks that sat around in the 90s thinking up schemes about how to get people in the lower middle class to leverage their futures so they could all get private jets. So they rigged the housing market and gave fraudulent incentives to get them to borrow their salaries for the next 30 years. Then they sold those debts off to retired people and blew up the market. But they got real nice jets... and yachts. Jail? bahahahaha!

Government is not a business and should not be run like one. It is government's fucking job to protect us from these people. The real exploitation is not happening in the streets.
Hillary accepted hundreds of millions of dollars into her foundation while she was Secretary of state. It wasnt 'Illegal' but it could be seen as a conflict of interest and she agreed not to do it and then went and did it anyway and then covered it up.

So.... good luck with that moral high bar.
 

zeddd

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sorry to say it, lol, but trump has fukked himself in the arse with this one, shows very poor judgement picking pence as vp, like he needs more male Christian votes?
 

bluntmassa1

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Well, let's see, the guy is a religious extremist. He wants to ban abortion, de-fund Planned Parenthood, medicare, and other social safety-net programs, and he wants to allow businesses to legally deny providing services to LGBTQ people. He will be another "God told me what to do" idiot, and that's the last thing we need in the White House.

Much like Sarah Palin, another completely idiotic choice by the idiot repukes.

:mrgreen:
So we can count on your vote for Gary Johnson in November?:bigjoint:
 
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