SpideyManDan
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You're right, dont give those hlg scammers you're money lol
Phlizon 2000w... Anyone use them?
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Dape Green
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How are HLG scammers??
MyMommaMakesArmyBoots
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They're not a scam. The lights work. The naming schemes are stupid but these are companies that have done this since they started back in the day with blurples. They need to drop the bad habit, but the lights work.
Dape Green
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Yes, those companies have been deceptive since day 1 with their crazy claims of replacing 1k hps with 200w of blurple. Their naming system is another attempt to confuse uninformed customers. They put out bull shit ppfd charts and efficiency claims. Will they grow a plant? Yup.
MyMommaMakesArmyBoots
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They still grow plants more efficiently than HID. And they need to stop with that practice. It is extremely annoying. I do warn people about it.
You make it sound like they are no better than their old blurples lights which couldn't be further from the truth.
lakesidegrower
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Yea you can tell pretty quick that misleading advertising is pretty standard with the led grow light market, and it is a shame.
That being said, it does weed out the suckers from the people who know what they’re doing. I like the fact that you need to know what your doing and have some degree of intelligence to properly grow cannabis that you can be proud of, the challenge of it is definitely a big part of what draws me to growing.
That being said, it’s definitely way easier than ever before to get kitted out to grow. Back in the day your options for kit were a grow shop if you were lucky to have one around and hardware store lol
MyMommaMakesArmyBoots
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Even the last few years have drastically changed things. I jumped into QB a while back and the unit cost is dropping almost daily it seems as more get into them.
I wish I could have started growing now with infinite internet resources, and affordable lighting instead of having to read 2" thick grow bibles from Ed Rosenthal and Jorge Cervantes and sweating my nutsack off under HPS bulbs lol
Dape Green
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Truth! If you would have told me 20 years ago how easy it would be to set up and get info from places like this I’d have laughed at you. It still wasn’t long ago that we were in A hardware store talking about building reptile enclosures Or parking way down from the hydro store and hoofing bales of pro mix super paranoid. I was hps for years, finally made the jump to cmh about 3 years ago. now im flowering my first LED run. The HLG scorpion was just irresistible!! I take very good notes of my grows and there isn’t question that this run is well ahead of the curve.
PSUAGRO.
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Yep,Definitely easier to start up nowadays..... In the 90s , closest hydrofarm distributor to Philly would check your car make/model and ask you what you're growing when buying couple thouies + of lighting.
Always paid cash, but fucking paranoia was real. Mandatory minimums where no joke.
Always paid cash, but fucking paranoia was real. Mandatory minimums where no joke.
Dape Green
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Man I remember driving from Ottawa to Montreal to go to the hydro store cuz I wanted to do it across provincial lines. Even then I’d do laps around the store looking for unmarkeds then sneak in the back door. I do miss the fraternity of those days though. It was a really tight brotherhood.
MyMommaMakesArmyBoots
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Lol! I remember years ago before legalization, one company in Kelowna, BC posted a note on their company ad billboard outside their shop ;
"Joe McWhatever, your hydroponics bill is overdue!"
I remember driving by that sign on the way thru town like "holy shit!! I'd murder those fuckers"
It made me laugh but holy hell
lakesidegrower
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I just decided to give the ‘ole Cervantes bible a re-read. It’s what I started with, along with this site like over a decade ago. I wish I still had my old RIU log in info lol
I couldn’t afford HIDs back in the day, it was CFLs that got me able to start growing with the spaces and budget I had.
lakesidegrower
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It seems to me that the bare basics of bottom of the line quality in an off-brand led is wether it has Samsung diodes and a Meanwell driver - from there it only gets better.
Definitely does seem like price just keeps dropping tho, it’s kinda what is keeping me from pulling the trigger. I keep going back to the Timber website to drool over the lights like ‘Someday....
’ lol
Definitely does seem like price just keeps dropping tho, it’s kinda what is keeping me from pulling the trigger. I keep going back to the Timber website to drool over the lights like ‘Someday....
’ lol
lakesidegrower
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Maaan that’s heavy. That’s exactly what I would sketch about when I even considered stepping into a grow shop.
Paintngrow
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It works well but jacks up the elctric bill bad. Just go with something better or you will pay in long run. This is from experience...
lakesidegrower
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Like the 200w phlizon does? Did you use em? What would you recommend ?
Paintngrow
Member
I have a 1000w cobb phlizon. Love the light. Had high power bills...going to buy a hlg550
lakesidegrower
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Oh really? Does it run on a true 1000w draw?