Police kill dog for no reason

KangarooBunny said:

I'm basically asking if it would have been okay for him to use lethal force if he had no other ways of defending himself.

If an angry, barking dog runs up to me "acting on its instinct" I'm going to defend myself with whatever I have. Not everyone is a dog trainer.

I wonder why the officer chose his gun?

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If they were justified in creating the situation they would have been justified in using force. They weren't and therefore were not, in any circumstance. If the world were just the dog would have killed all the cops abusing their power and he would be regarded a hero, but the world is not just.

Antidisestablishmentarian said:

Please point out where I said that?

In his eyes, his life was in immediate danger.

I think I need to bold this part because you are starting to sound like my wife:

I do not like what happened, I just understand it.

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Do you understand the part where the cops were completely 100% responsible for creating the situation in the first place when you attempted to toss all blame on the owner?

OGEvilgenius said:

Do you understand the part where the cops were completely 100% responsible for creating the situation in the first place when you attempted to toss all blame on the owner?

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...but how dare that man record the constabulary...

Rob Roy said:

Of course the dog saw what REALLY happened....armed thugs attacked his master. The dog is a "hero".

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Abso-fuckin-lutely.

Another example where it appears dogs are smarter than a lot of humans. We've been conditioned to accept such horrible behavior from authority. At least some of us have fallen for it (see fucktards in this thread). Some of us see it for what it is.

OGEvilgenius said:

They never took him anywhere, they released him after. You can watch a video of him at the scene still not in handcuffs. It's the officers fault for illegally detaining him and then not handling the situation they created themselves properly. I hope this guy sues the shit out of the police officer responsible and wins.

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That's in hindsight of them killing the dog.

My point was when he put the dog in the car with the windows down, he was unaware how long he would be cuffed for, or if he would even be released immediately. For all he knew, they could have arrested and detained him at the station.

I'm totally with you. The police are 100% to blame for the dogs death. The owner attempted to secure his animal. The animal gave the police ample time to formulate a plan to mitigate the situation. But, the police chose to once again be pussies and shoot a dog lunging at one of their arms, while it was clearly attempting to protect the owner. I don't think the guy acted perfectly, but the police did not have to kill the innocent animal.

My dog has authority upon my personal property and is trained not to submit to false authority but only to me. I chose a breed with enough power to pull a scooter with me on it, an American Pit Bull Terrier. He is not neutered and weighs 92 pounds. He is well trained and obedient to me but absolutely not submissive to other people. Part of that is my deportment, since he only follows my lead and I fucking hate when people are at my house. He won't attack or even bark if I tell him to shut up or to sit down or just no. But if I am being physically attacked by armed men who are trying to put chains on my wrists and who carry deadly weapons and simply wish to dominate me because I used a device to record their oppression, my buddy Rascal is very willing to put himself in harm's way for me. I think that generally, dominance is the key, but some dogs will not be dominated and that is why this happens. Police are trained in ways similar to the way a dog acts. Dominance is key indeed. If you have a powerful looking dog, get a chain and put him on it if any belligerent armed thugs with badges come around. Dogs have immense hearts and not all of them are submissive. Even Cesar Milan has been bitten. However, even dominant dogs can be affectionate and docile.



Rascal.

Such an awful video. I understand why the police shot, but the whole situation is retarded. Clearly the dog was just trying to protect his owner, and didn't necessarily go to attack.. it's not really clear in the video. I mean, I get that a huge Rotweiller coming at you aggressively to protect its owner is intimidating, but so is a gun... Really there was no reason to KILL the dog. I mean if you have to, shoot the dog in the leg, butt, shoulder, somewhere non-lethal and I guarantee that dog would have backed off. The owner had his dog shot and killed for taking a video on his cell phone. So fucked up...

OGEvilgenius said:

Do you understand the part where the cops were completely 100% responsible for creating the situation in the first place when you attempted to toss all blame on the owner?

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No, because you can't hear or see everything that happened.

And yes, unfortunately it is the owners fault his dog attacked a police officer. When your dog escapes your yard and attacks someone, you are punished. Even if you weren't around.

I'm honestly going to not contribute to this thread. My words are twisted into me saying I think it's right what the officer did. Never said that. Not once. Its like my wife invaded this place.

OGEvilgenius said:

Do you understand the part where the cops were completely 100% responsible for creating the situation in the first place

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Why did the dum dum stop and antagonize the police in the first place? He could have just left the scene without putting himself in a situation to be detained.

I agree he was playing Billy bad ass strutting around with his dog. This is a free country yet, cops tend to be above the law and if you fuck with them your gonna" get bit! If it was us that shot their dog we would be facing years of jail time. Definite double standard but, the guy should have walked away from the whole scene with his dog. This would not have happened.

ANIMAL WITH BADGE KILLS DOG

Police officers shot a man's dog in Hawthorne and it was all caught on video that has gone viral online. The Hawthorne Police Department has been inundated with angry emails and calls about the shooting.

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:

No, because you can't hear or see everything that happened.

And yes, unfortunately it is the owners fault his dog attacked a police officer. When your dog escapes your yard and attacks someone, you are punished. Even if you weren't around.

I'm honestly going to not contribute to this thread. My words are twisted into me saying I think it's right what the officer did. Never said that. Not once. Its like my wife invaded this place.

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The dog saw a "pack member" being attacked and went to investigate. Let's keep in mind the cops initiated aggression on the dog's owner, from a rational persons point of view and certainly from the dog's point of view. Any self respecting dog would do what that dog did.

The "fault" does not lie with the dog or the owner, it is morally justifiable to use defensive force to repel an attack. In this instance, I think even in the legal realm, the cops will have a hard time justifying their actions.

Sorry to hear about the wife though, that was worth a chuckle.

Rob Roy said:

The dog saw a "pack member" being attacked and went to investigate. Let's keep in mind the cops initiated aggression on the dog's owner, from a rational persons point of view and certainly from the dog's point of view. Any self respecting dog would do what that dog did.

The "fault" does not lie with the dog or the owner, it is morally justifiable to use defensive force to repel an attack. In this instance, I think even in the legal realm, the cops will have a hard time justifying their actions.

Sorry to hear about the wife though, that was worth a chuckle.

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I think the dogs owner was warned by the cops. That's why he put the dog in the car. Yet, he chose to stick around in what appears to be a serious situation. I'm sure he was warned to get out of dodge but, chose not to. The end results are tragic but, they stem from his ignorance. My dog would have charged once and went right after them and been shot. She would not hesitated like his dog did. Nevertheless, the owners an idiot for putting his dog in that situation!

Rob Roy said:

The dog saw a "pack member" being attacked and went to investigate. Let's keep in mind the cops initiated aggression on the dog's owner, from a rational persons point of view and certainly from the dog's point of view. Any self respecting dog would do what that dog did.

The "fault" does not lie with the dog or the owner, it is morally justifiable to use defensive force to repel an attack. In this instance, I think even in the legal realm, the cops will have a hard time justifying their actions.

Sorry to hear about the wife though, that was worth a chuckle.

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They already tried to justify their actions by stating, "We have an obligation to keep the restrained man safe also". They literally have tried to justify their actions by saying that they were protecting the owner from his own dog. The police are scumbags, and karma is coming.

Don't believe me, look up the statement made by the police chief. You can't make this shit up lol.
The whole department deserves an overhaul if they can morally issue a statement like that

zack66 said:

I think the dogs owner was warned by the cops. That's why he put the dog in the car. Yet, he chose to stick around in what appears to be a serious situation. I'm sure he was warned to get out of dodge but, chose not to. The end results are tragic but, they stem from his ignorance. My dog would have charged once and went right after them and been shot. She would not hesitated like his dog did. Nevertheless, the owners an idiot for putting his dog in that situation!

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Sometimes it is good to question "authority". In this instance which law were the police enforcing when they were manhandling the owner? I think the dog was a victim of an overzealous cop with an itchy trigger finger.

zack66 said:

I think the dogs owner was warned by the cops. That's why he put the dog in the car. Yet, he chose to stick around in what appears to be a serious situation. I'm sure he was warned to get out of dodge but, chose not to. The end results are tragic but, they stem from his ignorance. My dog would have charged once and went right after them and been shot. She would not hesitated like his dog did. Nevertheless, the owners an idiot for putting his dog in that situation!

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Good to know it's really my fault if my dog gets shot over the course of me being arrested for filming cops. That's as ridiculous as telling a rape victim they shouldn't have been dressed do provocatively. He has a right to stand there and not be harassed by cops.

Owners fault , that dog was brought out for one reason and it wasnt a good one.

The man could have just as easily got out and checked things out for himself, his dog didnt need to see it too.