Pollen Chuckers vs. Real breeders

Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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Cold$moke said:
Ha ha what about
A STANK. Ass slee skunk male photo plant .
To a blackberry kush auto female?

From my reading i should expect about 25% to be auto seeds at least i hope i get one or 2 for summer lol
But the blackberry smelled like blackberry jam so i had to try it :)

My seeds are almost finished up soon
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been reading up a little on breeding autos too...

came across the following.

1. cross an auto with a photoperiod. the F1's will contain no autos.
2. cross the F1's. the F2's will contain 25% autos.
3. cross the autos from the F2 generation. the F3's will be 100% autos
4. for even more stability, backcross an F3 female to F2 pollen. The F4's traits will get more consistent.

this illustration shows how it goes. AA = photo plant and aa = auto plant. 3 breeding generations

 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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hillbill said:
I grew up with ditch weed all around and stay away from autos.
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You probably already know the first commercial autos were mostly lacking. I tried a few early on and got some which were okay, but not on a par with photo period flowers.

Nowadays some are pretty decent, still retaining the autoflower characteristic, but with much higher potency than just a few years back. Might be worth a second look. I'm going to run a few and see if the hype is true, some test over 20% thc these days.
 
Xs121

Xs121

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Houstini said:
And this is part of the reason breeders like Swami do open pollination on their inbred lines. To maintain the genetic information in a selection of seeds not in any one particular seed.
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This process is about reducing the inbreeding coefficient. Makes me suspect the cannabis breeders. Not once I've heard any breeder out there mentioning that this variable is incorporated in their program, while this variable is common knowledge to those who seriously do animal breeding for livestock or whatnot.
 
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bobqp

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I prefer making my own good strains
Gorilla bomb x ghost train haze 1
Black d.o.g x ghost train haze 1
Critical super silver haze x trippy gorilla
Will be making some crosses in a few weeks using these strains
Diadem critical+2.0
DNA genetics tangilope
DNA genetics LA confidential
Brothers Grimm Cinderella xx
Th Seeds strawberry glue
Karma genetics skullcap
Karma squad crumbled lime
Barneys farm amnesia lemon
 
morgwar

morgwar

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It's not rocket science.
Doesn't take magic or talent or even a whole lot of experience.
Pay attention in 8th grade biology and participate in 4h growing up a you'll breed circles around most of the IG """breeders"""
Time, space, patience, and a tiny bit of luck. I'm tired of these jerks getting treated like gods for crossing a couple hype "strains"
 
Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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morgwar said:
It's not rocket science.
Doesn't take magic or talent or even a whole lot of experience.
Pay attention in 8th grade biology and participate in 4h growing up a you'll breed circles around most of the IG """breeders"""
Time, space, patience, and a tiny bit of luck. I'm tired of these jerks getting treated like gods for crossing a couple hype "strains"
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time, space and patience are key. luck will come if you have good genetics
 
SchmoeJoe

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Xs121 said:
I like your line of thought here.

Which make me wonder why almost all cannabis breeding site I've read are obsessed with homozygous genome to achieve a stable strain when there's a way to achieve stable pheno through heterozygosity (though very time consuming process). Cannabis breeders should take their lessons from animal breeders or what happen when homozygosity is carried to the extreme as in the case of pure breed dogs.

Just saying.
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The whole "cubing" thing got me really wondering about that. I know that some organisms can handle a certain degree of inbreeding while others can't just like some can cannabilize (spelling?) Their own without issue while others can't but but with so many doing "reverse" pollination as a quick short cut to help isolate and stabilize traits we're bound to start seeing issues. If nothing else it's at least a guaranteed short cut to losing genetic diversity.
 
Coalcat

Coalcat

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Bad Karma said:
F1 seeds will be your ticket to the most genetic diversity. You'll see some lean towards mom's side, some that lean towards dad's, and every expression in between.
Worked lines will show much more uniformity, so it sounds like you'd want to stay away from those.
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Errrr....f2 will actually show more diversity. You get recessive stuff that will pop out so you get even more extremes. After that stuff starts to narrow down.
 
Bad Karma

Bad Karma

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Coalcat said:
Errrr....f2 will actually show more diversity. You get recessive stuff that will pop out so you get even more extremes. After that stuff starts to narrow down.
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Did you read the OP’s question? Because that’s what I was responding to and answering properly.
Did you ever notice most breeders don’t sell F2’s of their work? Thus, leaving F1’s as the OP’s best choice for the genetic diversity he was looking for.

I’m really glad you learned something new today and wanted to share it with the class. Doing one of these dumb “Err, technically you’re wrong because XYZ...” posts is not how we go about it.

Wanna know why?

Because, technically, only inbreed F2 seeds (IBL) would offer the genetics diversity you are speaking of. F2 seeds made from back crossings to one of the parents (BX) is how one starts stabilizing genetics.

So as you can see, your post was an incomplete thought, and misinformative, at best. You don’t fully grasp what you’re typing, you’re just regurgitating factoids that you read in other threads, to make yourself feel smart. I’m sorry to see that this is what your life has been reduced to. I sincerely hope it gets better someday.
 
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rollinfunk

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Honestly, it really doesn't matter. What matters is if the parents were stress tested before they get SOLD. That's a breeder vs. a pollen chucker. Bodhi has fire F1s (I've tested for him) and he doesn't like to release unstable lines unless they're narrow leaf sativas for preservation. He mainly tests his males for stability. CSI and Heisen have great fems b/c they stress those plants and cull. Breeding isn't that hard. Stress, selection, culling, always improving the lines. BTW, I just popped some lucky charms, dank sinatra, NL#5 F3 all from bodhi. Hoping for some males to spread to the world. I'm a chucker as I can only have 12 plants. No matter what, cull/don't pollinate weak plants IMO
 
Coalcat

Coalcat

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Bad Karma said:
Did you read the OP’s question? Because that’s what I was responding to and answering properly.
Did you ever notice most breeders don’t sell F2’s of their work? Thus, leaving F1’s as the OP’s best choice for the genetic diversity he was looking for.

I’m really glad you learned something new today and wanted to share it with the class. Doing one of these dumb “Err, technically you’re wrong because XYZ...” posts is not how we go about it.

Wanna know why?

Because, technically, only inbreed F2 seeds (IBL) would offer the genetics diversity you are speaking of. F2 seeds made from back crossings to one of the parents (BX) is how one starts stabilizing genetics.

So as you can see, your post was an incomplete thought, and misinformative, at best. You don’t fully grasp what you’re typing, you’re just regurgitating factoids that you read in other threads, to make yourself feel smart. I’m sorry to see that this is what your life has been reduced to. I sincerely hope it gets better someday.
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Yep I got a gold star for the day :) I stand by my statement. Cross 2 f1s from the same cross and your gonna get more diversity than the f1s. F2s of ibl’s I don’t think would lead to any more diversity....because they are ibl...which is the point of ibl. Bx’s are bx’s...I don’t think anyone would advertise a bx as a f2. You talking about a f2 after a bx? That I get..to lock down some stuff.
 
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