Pontoon party time

So up until now I had just been making journals but figured with the new acquisition of my Inda-Gro pfr Pontoon that I would start a thread to inspire a little more feedback. So when I started this grow I was just testing out the new strains I bought from Nirvana. Started the White Widow, Super Skunk, New York Power Diesel, and tried to germ a Raspberry Cough unsuccessfully. Tried not to dwell on it too much, definitely would have filled the tent with another gal in the mix though.
I accidentally burned the hell out of their little leaves by having my led panel like way too close... never had that problem before but I was pushing it. So they had like 2-3 weeks of recovery before growth really did anything. Then I made the decision to buy an Inda-gro 420 pro since I had been looking at Igrow, and let me say for anyone considering this company they seem sleezy... All I ever got from the reps was propaganda no actual numbers or proof. Saw a few good grows on this forum with inda-gro lights so it made me feel more comfortable in my decision to go ahead and buy one to see if another would not be finding itself alongside it in my flower tent this summer once I relocate and go perpetual! Was not long after I bought the 420 that I start hearing buzz about a pontoon thing Inda is releasing to go over the top of the 420 and boost flower. This really caught my eye just cause of the Far-red diodes it had that were triggered at lights out. So these have been on my wishlist for a second, then I finally get the chance to get one after seeing Splifferous's great results he had after putting it in for the last half of flower since he was not fortunate enough to get it at the beginning.

So now that you hopefully read that lil chunk above time for the technical stuff and then some bud porn
Tent is a 3x3 Silver Edition hydro hut, not actually 3x3 or the 420+pontoon would not fit but that is the dimensions they give. I have them all in 5 gal. containers in Fox Farms Ocean Forest, started in Light Warrior, also everytime I transplanted (twice) I amended the soil with some Mykos WP by Xtreme Gardening, produces some banging roots. My nutes lineup is the Fox Farm Liquids+solubles, and at the end of flower I give them some H&G Liquid Top Shooter and watch em go, have only just started the first solubles though and I am def gonna take it easy in this dept. cus I have smoked over ferted bud and am not a fan... Just got 2 lil air kings in there to move air around and a 6in. Max fan on a lil carbon filter, can not remember the brand but I have the proper sized Can filter that goes on the Max cuz I bought them together on sale. The fan is def overkill for the tent but just means I have to run it less right lol. I am also supplementing CO2 with the CO2 boost buckets, looking to get tanks and all that jazz when I go perpetual but those lil buckets are great for small spaces, plus then I am not super worried about wasting CO2 since there will be more for a good while. Probably forgetting something but if it isn't there just ask and I will surely have an answer.
Now for the porn
So this is the week before I flipped them to 12/12 3/2, then this is the day of flipping to 12/12, pontoon ordered, only 5 days from last pic!And finally the pontoon arrives, pic before I rearranged them this is on 3/12Some pics of the pontoon fresh out the box, there is a pic of the clusters for you each pontoon has 12 diodes (9 deep red 660,3 Far red diodes ea) so 24 diodes with a total draw of 40. Did not get a pic but the way to tell the difference in diodes when it is off is the heatsink on the Far red is white. Some shots of the flower sites pre-pontoon, not much going on yet
And after the move here is the Diesel, really liking her structure
Had to bend the widow some more so she does not get to unruly tall.
Then of course the skunk which is just as tall as the others but not nearly as bent, nonetheless she was the worst off with like no green matter at the beginning of life, this lil trooper barely made it through it all but she is still here...
Guess you can only upload 20 pics at a time? LOL have not run into this problem on here yet but I am trying to document this pretty well for all the nay-sayers and my own purposes. Another update with more bud porn in a sec.

K so I just don't know how to navigate the intra-webs properly lol and messed up the last post, had all the pics in the post I just smoke and dab too much...
Here is a pic so you can see the pontoon doing its thingThe Widow, it is hard to capture all of their glory in one frame...View attachment 2583481And a pic of the flowers as of 3 days agoView attachment 2583482Top shot of the diesel, on top of not being able to work the internet/site I can not get the other bud close ups off my phone for the widow or skunk, so its just the diesel I guess although she is the most impressive of all so far.View attachment 2583483View attachment 2583487
The skunk tucked in the back cornerView attachment 2583484View attachment 2583486 Then some shots of the tent, would have been nice to get the Raspberry Cough in there but it would be a squeeze...View attachment 2583488View attachment 2583489

Looks good.

Random question, how much heat does that light (As an assembly, 420 + pontoon) add to the room? obviously you're using a filter and exchanging air, just curious how often you "have to".

Nice job setting this thread up Natro! It'll be fun to watch your well documented progress. I'll be pulling for the 'lil trooper' skunk to pull out all the stops on this run.

As to DJ's question on heat; the Pontoons draw 40 watts and uses passive cooling. The housing itself is the heatsink so there is no need for fans to cool the diodes. If you add the 420 and the Pontoon together the added thermal contribution to the room would run 1,570 btu/hr. In practice the only place that seems to get hot to the touch is the diode itself. At no point on the housing have I detected any rise in temperature whatsoever. On the 420, at full bright, you'll read in the 115 degree F range on the ballast housing and around 200 degrees F at the surface of the lamp glass. Within 6" of the glass this heat is undetectable.

chazbolin said:

As to DJ's question on heat; the Pontoons draw 40 watts and uses passive cooling. The housing itself is the heatsink so there is no need for fans to cool the diodes. If you add the 420 and the Pontoon together the added thermal contribution to the room would run 1,570 btu/hr. In practice the only place that seems to get hot to the touch is the diode itself. At no point on the housing have I detected any rise in temperature whatsoever. On the 420, at full bright, you'll read in the 115 degree F range on the ballast housing and around 200 degrees F at the surface of the lamp glass. Within 6" of the glass this heat is undetectable.

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Sweet, thank you (+rep).
I'm trying to get a handle on my future need for heating/cooling, obviously it makes some heat, that will probably be enough.

Ya can not come off sounding as smart as chaz about tue btus/hr and shit cus that is pretty foreign to me lol. but the pontoon added no heat and the 420 would prob be better off in a lil more open space but this gives me a pretty good idea of its effective light footprint in flowering, one thing buying leds taught me is the manufacturer doesnt ever know the actual effective footprint of the light, ya its bright to 4 feet but can a plant grow four feet away? probably not great lol
right now at the end of the day it hits a peak of 78-79 the beginning of the day thoug its like 73-75 after an hour of the light funning, i run the exhaust for 2hours every 4 hours, so it cycles the air out for a while twice throughout the day, thought about setting it up to run shorter but more oftrn but i don't wanna fix something that isnt really broken.

To give you guys a basis of comparison on added heat; a 1000 watt HID mag ballast and lamp in the tent adds 6000 btu/hr that you have to get out of there. digis are a bit less. If the ballast is remote it drops it about 15%.

I'm not worried about coverage, I'm worried about Oct through May, when it's cold here. Just trying to wrap my head around heating and cooling a 4x8x8 space with temp extremes outside of my future venture.

I'm not going to thread-jack, carry on good sir.

djwimbo said:

I'm not worried about coverage, I'm worried about Oct through May, when it's cold here. Just trying to wrap my head around heating and cooling a 4x8x8 space with temp extremes outside of my future venture.

I'm not going to thread-jack, carry on good sir.

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Ive been running a heater set at 67 in my spot. Temps have been in the high 30s to mid 40s for the most part. The Indagro seemed to keep temps up while on, but lights out got way to cold. 4X4X8 area. 4" HO fan on a speed controller set at 80. The fan controller also idles at lights out.
This summer will be interesting. Rarely gets over 90 here so all should be good.

Its all good man, I have taken spliffs thread off track a couple of times lol. I am a state over from ya so I know what you mean about the cold, have not really had a problem this winter though and this one was a doozy if you guys across the lake did not know lol. But I have a fairly new heater unit in the house I am growing in now so the lung room so to speak is never below 55

Ironically as soon as i read the title, on the tv I could hear eddie murphy's one song, party all the time... hahaha

everything is looking great.

Time to update you guys with the easter eggs the bunny left me in my tent, they are all green too!
K so we start with a shot of the tent 4 days ago, had to start angling the light more on the widows, then a shot of her and some more up close(1st close up was just after watering 2 days ago so yes I know the tips are curling down), and a snap shot of the side to show the leaves praying to allah (not muslim but pretty sure in prayer they raise their palms to god, do correct me if I am wrong though)
And as much as I do not like to take favorites, the Diesel is trying hard for my affection... Over shot, bud shot from 2 days ago, bud shot to show the new sugar, node spacing shot, and one more of her in the new spot. All in all I really like this strains structure, excited to main line it....
Then a shot of the skunk where the diesel is now, node shot from 2 days ago, bud shot from 2 days ago, bud shot from today getting frosty as wellAnd of course some wide shots from today after the rearrangement, widow right up front

Well the NYPD either started to herm or throwing late nanners, so I hacked the sprouting head and the others at its height to avoid contamination. Was only two, only one was fully formed, prob a couple days from opening but not trying to risk my harvest. Think I ended up with a indica pheno based on the fan leaves. height, and most of her trichs were turning milky so I did not feel like a total monster cutting her big tops early. Although all in all, not to pleased with nirvana on their breeding notes. Really leaves something to be desired, and am now realizing why they are not the most reputable seed company out there. Now that I know attitude delivers to non mmj with guarantee of arrival I will be getting some tga soon enough! If anything got me to go TGA it was spliff's QT's resin rails that looked immaculate. Guess I am now inadvertently running two tests/experiments, one on if the whole plant will go herm, if I saved her or if she was just throwing some dicks in confusion of life. And the other is too see if flushing really is a myth as I have heard some imply, also if chem bud with no flush really does crackle lol. Did not want it to go this way but when given the choice of potentially seed my whole harvest or bite it on 4 buds that might just taste a lil funny think I will go with the scratchy throat.... Must be some basis to this if so many chem growers try to say flushing is a myth

Well I have been down about this whole grow since the nanner situation, nothing else came of it so it must have just been some late on-set males flowers. Nonetheless it sucked to have to cut her so early, especially since the bottom is looking super delicious now. Widow is finally filling in, damn does she smell lemony, excited about this one. The skunk is something else, never seen pistils so short and oddly shaped, just a variation I am sure but they are different looking... Got some shots pre-dry and post-dry, have not taken a weight yet, but it looks in the ball park of an ounce, the bottoms fattened up so much I think these things would be double the size they are, they are not super airy but they still had some filling in to do. And now for the pornSome shots of the tent time lapse style up to yesterday. Then the diesel: before cuts, the trim, the drying area, after the chop, a week after the chop, a close up she is almost there, then the dried in my cvault, a close up of the sea of trichs.
Then a close up of the widow and her shape as of yesterday, one of her nugs snuck into the diesel's pic they are such shutter bugs lol.
And last is the skunk, aren't those pistils something else? Looking like choppy time on the skunk and diesel next week, widow I am gonna let take her time and fill out.

I had heard some theories on this, def willing to give it a go to see if there is a diff cus been considering a partial on the widow just to get the most out of the bottom stuff I left on. Had heard spliff mebtion something about this but thought it was more related to the rooting time of clones, pet do you have a link you could suggest so I can learn a lil more about the moons effects

K just did not want to turn to the internet without a good heading, will start with the almanac, my luck with the internet searches relevancy I will end up reading about how weed is not from this earth and how the moon is just activating the tiny martians we smoke that gets us high lol.

Very nice..