Powdery Mildew

I don't know where you got that(never mind, saw it at the bottom and it's somewhat wrong). Myclobutanil is translaminar. It's only systemic if watered into the roots. If it's sprayed it only goes 1 to 2 cell layers deep and is not transported thru the plant. That's why it's imperative to get total coverage.

Also misleading is that the final residue content. If you use the same amount and treat before flower the residue is not there. It's not variable if you don't vary the methods.

ANC said:

Forward to about 12 minutes, listen to the section on calcium chelated with amino acids like glycine etc.

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This in my ipm. Pump them chuck full o calcium. Also seems the more vigorous growers benefit more from this? Could just be me. My leaves feel So robust, hardy. Cant wait to get a refractometer, very curious to see where my brix levels are at

TacoMac said:

It's preferred, that's for sure. If one is not available, you're better off going to a native American medicine man and having him put down a three legged rain turtle for you.

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This should be a last resort. Putting down a turtle because you cant keep your plants healthy is just not sustainable. The 3 legged rain turtle population is in serious jeporady.

Cletus clem said:

This in my ipm. Pump them chuck full o calcium. Also seems the more vigorous growers benefit more from this? Could just be me. My leaves feel So robust, hardy. Cant wait to get a refractometer, very curious to see where my brix levels are at

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Hmm. My plant that got PM had petty bad purple stems. It did seem like it was needy for calcium and I could not keep up. Leaves were a bit weak.

Definitely something I will keep my eye on.

714steadyeddie said:

So what are your preventive measures? I've been spraying my plants weekly with neem, but my plants in flower just finished their stretch so I probably won't spray neem anymore. But I am worried about it showing its nasty face agagin.

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Man you can pick everything apart if you want also if thats where your going. If not I prevent it from starting in the first place by not cross contaminating my grow area. If you do get it you have to remove or kill all the spores or it will come back. Why you think these othere guys are crying? Bad sanitary practices and little knoledge of what they are actually doing. Spraying anything fungicidal or not to keep something beat back is telling you that your exclusion/ sanitary measures are sub par unless your outdoors then thats different as spores are everywhere and blow in from other yards.

TacoMac said:

At this point, I find it my obligation as an educated, rational person to inform everybody on this thread that your best course of action at this point is to add Jimmy Sparkle to your ignore list.

It's been quite a long time since I have seen such uneducated, moronic, and in all ways completely wrong information posted by anybody on any topic.

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Please do put me on your ignore list I actually prefer it. All you other ignorant followers that cant see these idiots are arguing just to argue than for fuck sake plese ignore me also...

Norby Grown said:

If you killed the hyphae and spray something(oil) to collect any spores blowing around or use UV or hepa filters right then there is no chance of it coming back.

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Lol

Norby Grown said:

I don't know where you got that(never mind, saw it at the bottom and it's somewhat wrong). Myclobutanil is translaminar. It's only systemic if watered into the roots. If it's sprayed it only goes 1 to 2 cell layers deep and is not transported thru the plant. That's why it's imperative to get total coverage.

Also misleading is that the final residue content. If you use the same amount and treat before flower the residue is not there. It's not variable if you don't vary the methods.

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Lol

Let us not forget the common enemy is PM.
PS Jimmy, do you know the story of the man in your picture?
He has a normal family, but he believes dirt keeps him healthy.
Villagers came together to build him a little house, but he prefers to wallow in filth.
Seems perfectly happy otherwise, and even gets to visit with his grandkids.

714steadyeddie said:

Hmm. My plant that got PM had petty bad purple stems. It did seem like it was needy for calcium and I could not keep up. Leaves were a bit weak.

Definitely something I will keep my eye on.

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I believe I had the exact same problem. Will definitely monitor that from now on...Seems like by far the easiest fix

ANC said:

Let us not forget the common enemy is PM.
PS Jimmy, do you know the story of the man in your picture?
He has a normal family, but he believes dirt keeps him happy.
Villagers came together to build him a little house, but he prefers to wallow in filth.
Seems perfectly happy otherwise, and even gets to visit with his grandkids.

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That's cool, I never saw the dude, I always thought it was a mountain.

Cletus clem said:

. Cant wait to get a refractometer, very curious to see where my brix levels are at

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Its like taking the duct tape off of your marijuana mouths

Norby Grown said:

I don't know where you got that(never mind, saw it at the bottom and it's somewhat wrong). Myclobutanil is translaminar. It's only systemic if watered into the roots. If it's sprayed it only goes 1 to 2 cell layers deep and is not transported thru the plant. That's why it's imperative to get total coverage.

Also misleading is that the final residue content. If you use the same amount and treat before flower the residue is not there. It's not variable if you don't vary the methods.

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I'd be interested in seeing their response to your assertions. Shows us that there seems to be many truths in this industry leaving us to choose whichever fits our personal needs best.

Jimmy Sparkle said:

Man you can pick everything apart if you want also if thats where your going. If not I prevent it from starting in the first place by not cross contaminating my grow area. If you do get it you have to remove or kill all the spores or it will come back. Why you think these othere guys are crying? Bad sanitary practices and little knoledge of what they are actually doing. Spraying anything fungicidal or not to keep something beat back is telling you that your exclusion/ sanitary measures are sub par unless your outdoors then thats different as spores are everywhere and blow in from other yards.

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Pm that affects MJ can only affect MJ and a few other plants(hops is one). I grew outdoors in NY for 15 years and never got PM. The spores aren't everywhere. And I don't spray anything prophylacticly. No crying here. Had it once and it's gone for good as there are no more spores in the area and I don't take in clones without quarantining and treating anymore. I learned my lesson. If you don't pick things apart you don't get to the truth.

chemphlegm said:

Its like taking the duct tape off of your marijuana mouths



I'd be interested in seeing their response to your assertions. Shows us that there seems to be many truths in this industry leaving us to choose whichever fits our personal needs best.

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Why take it from other people, you can look it up for yourself like I did? That lab doesn't work with myclobutanil as to how it responds in plants only whether or not it's found in a test sample. You can look up the studies from the labs that tested how it works in a plant with a few key words. For some reason myclobutanil doesn't enter the phloem and disperse thru the plant it only enters the xylum thru the roots to disperse thru the plant. Search xylum, myclobutanil, phloem, disperse and you should get the lab studies about movement thru the plant.
Sorry, I don't have the tests but myclobutanil won't stay in the plant thru 8 weeks flower. The buds aren't even there when you spray them in veg. It only stays in the fan leaves and the buds aren't really protected but 90+% of the plant is for a few weeks while the dust settles.

Jimmy Sparkle said:

Lol

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LOL

chemphlegm said:

Its like taking the duct tape off of your marijuana mouths



I'd be interested in seeing their response to your assertions. Shows us that there seems to be many truths in this industry leaving us to choose whichever fits our personal needs best.

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Thats fuggin funny! And everything thats on the internet is true, especially on social media/forums as that tend to have more truthiness

Norby Grown said:

Why take it from other people, you can look it up for yourself like I did? That lab doesn't work with myclobutanil as to how it responds in plants only whether or not it's found in a test sample. You can look up the studies from the labs that tested how it works in a plant with a few key words. For some reason myclobutanil doesn't enter the phloem and disperse thru the plant it only enters the xylum thru the roots to disperse thru the plant. Search xylum, myclobutanil, phloem, disperse and you should get the lab studies about movement thru the plant.
Sorry, I don't have the tests but myclobutanil won't stay in the plant thru 8 weeks flower. The buds aren't even there when you spray them in veg. It only stays in the fan leaves and the buds aren't really protected but 90+% of the plant is for a few weeks while the dust settles.

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I dont doubt you @Norby, I just dont have not one dog in that race. I have/will never bring in clones, never had mold, never used fungicides, never will. Theres just some things I wont bother myself with these days, like knowing what happens when I use a golf course turf treatment on my indoor meds. I wont go learn about it just for the constant internet debates. I'll let the users hash that one out.

respectfully

chemphlegm said:

I dont doubt you @Norby, I just dont have not one dog in that race. I have/will never bring in clones, never had mold, never used fungicides, never will. Theres just some things I wont bother myself with these days, like knowing what happens when I use a golf course turf treatment on my indoor meds. I wont go learn about it just for the constant internet debates. I'll let the users hash that one out.

respectfully

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Umm, it's used on grapes, soy, etc. Dozens of different foods. You've eaten it if you don't do nothing but organics and maybe then depending on where you are getting them.
I understand you said respectfully but please don't try to make me look like a fool saying it's just for turf maintenance. You could've also said a fungicide used on many foods today. Not that that makes it any less harmful considering but the way I use it leaves no trace. And according to the animal studies I didn't even use a fraction of the dose they fed to mice daily, on 2 dozen + plants. If you take it out of proportion it sounds bad but if you look at the studies and look at the math you could realize it's negligible amount and perfectly safe considering it's undetectable in any finished product the way I use it. No need for scare tactics. I'd be much more worried that I was eating 8-10 foods a day that were all called safe by the feds while the cumulative affect is much worse long term than using it on your new clones or to save strains for patients.
I'm glad you work the way you do but thinking you're better than me for it doesn't fly. Now people who use it with reckless abandon and don't tell their consumers is another story.

Jimmy Sparkle said:

Dude, fuckin read....... the last two guys looked really stupid now you wanna go down the same road? It isnt systemic, it can be washed off and beaten back but on the infected plant it will never go away. That plant will battle p.m until harvest weather you see it or not. Please read before you make assumptions on what Ive learned an presume I am incorrect.

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The last two guys looked really stupid and now possibly a third....nope just seeing a whole lot of butt hurt lol.

Budley Doright said:

The last two guys looked really stupid and now possibly a third....nope just seeing a whole lot of butt hurt lol.

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People love arguing. Somewhere someone has accused me of saying that it is in fact systemic when what was said is that it can act systemic meaning that it seems to pop up rather quickly and sometimes in multiple areas at once wich can give the appearance that maybe it spread around and came from within the plant thus acting ACTING systemic. Still not one person can show me where I said that it is systemic not" acting systemically" like I said. Your reply confuses me . Guess you think im a dumbfuck as well. ? Either way it is what it is.