Producing seeds

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SamWE19

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I’m in the process of making some seeds for myself so I have a few plants I can choose a mother from.

I’ve took a female sprayed it with colodial silver every day for a few weeks I can see the start of balls on the tops of the plant. It’s now about 2 weeks since switch.

The leaves are green but have brown spots on them looks like some sort of deficiency although I can’t tell as it does look like colodial silver causes some stress related problems (leaf twisting)

My question is - will the pollen taken from a male plant that has possible deficiencies cause sub par seeds due to sub par pollen or does the plant use all the nutrients it has to make decent pollen at the expense of the leaves?

I’ve flushed the plant and gave a normal dose of dyna grow no different to what I usually do for soil grows and there’s been no change. I’m thinking it may be the colodial silver but can’t be sure.

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Stiickygreen

Stiickygreen

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Have you checked for spider mites? Looks suspicious here with all those white stipples/dots. Just a thought. Otherwise...looks OK here..........
 
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SamWE19

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Stiickygreen said:
Have you checked for spider mites? Looks suspicious here with all those white stipples/dots. Just a thought. Otherwise...looks OK here..........
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Yeah definitely not any bugs in my room at all.

You think they look ok other than possible bugs? I don’t think leaves are supposed to have brown spots lol
 
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SamWE19

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Definitely no spiders I’ve checked over and over I’m thinking now it could possibly be burns from the foliar feed of colodial silver

Here’s a picture of a leaf a bit lower down that hasn’t got it as bad. On this leaf it just looks like dried liquid
 

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Stiickygreen

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They aren't spiders...they are mites. You can barely see them. Get a loupe or a magnifying glass and do a good once over. Those dots up top don't look anything like dried overspray/etc to me.

Good luck
 
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SamWE19

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Stiickygreen said:
They aren't spiders...they are mites. You can barely see them. Get a loupe or a magnifying glass and do a good once over. Those dots up top don't look anything like dried overspray/etc to me.

Good luck
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How small are they supposed to be? I say spiders cos they kinda look like spiders Im using a 50-100x jewellers loop right now and can’t see anything other than the spots which don’t rub away when I rub between fingers don’t see any thing else
 
Dmannn

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The problem with pollinating a small plant is you don't know what the true potential of what your breeding.
 
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SamWE19

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Dmannn said:
The problem with pollinating a small plant is you don't know what the true potential of what your breeding.
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It’s a clone of the one I want and have already tested a few times.

I germed 20 seeds and have grew them 3 times over taking a clone of each one so far.

I’ve kept 2 of the best clones to make more seeds
 
Kushash

Kushash

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SamWE19 said:
How small are they supposed to be? I say spiders cos they kinda look like spiders Im using a 50-100x jewellers loop right now and can’t see anything other than the spots which don’t rub away when I rub between fingers don’t see any thing else
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I agree with Lordhooha.
looks like necrotic spots and dried water droplets.
 
Lordhooha

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SamWE19 said:
It’s a clone of the one I want and have already tested a few times.

I germed 20 seeds and have grew them 3 times over taking a clone of each one so far.

I’ve kept 2 of the best clones to make more seeds
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I always prefer breeding the old fashioned way. Get to plants of desired traits preferably from the same strain clone the girl and stick her in a room with my preferred Male and let them do their thing. They turn out to be very stable viable seeds doing it that way. Plus I dont mind culling males.
 
Dmannn

Dmannn

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SamWE19 said:
It’s a clone of the one I want and have already tested a few times.

I germed 20 seeds and have grew them 3 times over taking a clone of each one so far.

I’ve kept 2 of the best clones to make more seeds
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I wouldn't worry too much about plant stress and bad seeds. If the plant is humping along it will prices seeds just fine.

I tried a bit of colloidal silver this year and i know the leaf curl you are talking about.
 
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SamWE19

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Dmannn said:
I wouldn't worry too much about plant stress and bad seeds. If the plant is humping along it will prices seeds just fine.

I tried a bit of colloidal silver this year and i know the leaf curl you are talking about.
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Alright cheers hopefully will be ok then.

Just wanted to make sure.

Only got 3 small clones in flower now which I will pollinate hope I get a decent amount of seeds
 
deno

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Spider mites are tiny - like the size of the blunt end of a small sewing needle. I need a magnifier to see any but the red ones. The red ones are bigger, and eat the parasitic ones (so never kill the red ones). Red ones are about the size of the blunt end of a pin (maybe a little smaller).

That being said, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. When you spray a plant with water, as the water drops form concentrations of impurities form with them. Might be just some toxic crap from the colloidal silver - who knows. They looks pretty healthy to me - I'd just watch them closely over the next few days. I don't believe in water drops burning, so I doubt it's that.

As far as whether a sickly plant will give sickly pollen - I highly doubt it. DNA is DNA. If papa and mama are both good pedigrees, then the kids will have too. Now, if you have the characteristic of getting sick easily, that could be passed along.
The plant WILL dedicated whatever it takes to produce the seed once it's pollinated, so production can be impacted. Just an FYI, it is very common for new seed producers to harvest too early. You have different harvest criteria when you make seeds, so look into it.
 
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SamWE19

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deno said:
Spider mites are tiny - like the size of the blunt end of a small sewing needle. I need a magnifier to see any but the red ones. The red ones are bigger, and eat the parasitic ones (so never kill the red ones). Red ones are about the size of the blunt end of a pin (maybe a little smaller).

That being said, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. When you spray a plant with water, as the water drops form concentrations of impurities form with them. Might be just some toxic crap from the colloidal silver - who knows. They looks pretty healthy to me - I'd just watch them closely over the next few days. I don't believe in water drops burning, so I doubt it's that.

As far as whether a sickly plant will give sickly pollen - I highly doubt it. DNA is DNA. If papa and mama are both good pedigrees, then the kids will have too. Now, if you have the characteristic of getting sick easily, that could be passed along.
The plant WILL dedicated whatever it takes to produce the seed once it's pollinated, so production can be impacted. Just an FYI, it is very common for new seed producers to harvest too early. You have different harvest criteria when you make seeds, so look into it.
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I’m not really in a rush so was going to leave them as late as possible. These normally finish in 45-50 days only two weeks in so far so plenty of time to read up on harvest criteria
 
turbobuzz

turbobuzz

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Man, I think spider mites is a good call out. I fought that a year ago and looked like that. Cut a leaf and look at the under side with a scope.mthe only way you can see the little bastards. And they're hard to get rid of.
 
deno

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SamWE19 said:
I’m not really in a rush so was going to leave them as late as possible. These normally finish in 45-50 days only two weeks in so far so plenty of time to read up on harvest criteria
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I don't do a lot of seed production. My last grow was only the second time I tried. I used a male plant, and collected pollen. When the male was close to having viable pollen, I moved it into a different room. The room I moved it into had only a small basement window for light. I watered him very lightly, and didn't feed at all. As soon as the pollen was viable, I selected one female, and brushed on pollen with a hobby paint brush. I don't keep good records, but I'd estimate that it was around week 4 (on a 90 day strain). As the plant matured, I repeat the process. I harvested based on trichome color (in the traditional way). I expect only the early round of seeds will be viable, and from what I've seen so far that's true. If I wanted more seeds, I could have waited a few more weeks, but that would lower the smoking quality of the crop of course.

I agree with the others that you should look for the mites - you probably already are. A good magnifier, or cheap loupe is a good investment.
 
Kushash

Kushash

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Kushash said:
I agree with Lordhooha.
looks like necrotic spots and dried water droplets.
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I definitely agree to keep looking to make sure.
Hard to tell for sure with the water spots.
Could be necrotic spots, big water spots, small water spots and mites also.
Hoping not though.
Good Luck!
 
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