lol no team America. Killing innocent people is not how society progresses.
Promises kept By Obama
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tomahawk2406
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anyway.............back on that insane nut job obama who's been making good on his 4 year plan of destroying our nation....................
The Ruiner
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LMAO What a complete buffoon you are. I pointed you to the actual leader of the CIAs Osama Bin laden and you say I haven't researched. Priceless, what next?
You complete mindless jackass. I showed you the man who probably has the most knowledge on the subject yet you think you know better. Speaks volumes
lol you made that up because you're a pussy who can't back things up.
I showed you the man who probably has the most knowledge on the subject yet you think you know better. What an arrogant douchebag you are.
Because a petulant little child like you says so? You couldn't put 2 and 2 together if your worthless life depended on it.
Tell "us" when the medication wears off and you pull your head out of your ass first.
Canna Sylvan
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" Originally Posted by The Ruiner
I can't begin to unfuck your small mind from all the severe trauma you have inflicted upon yourself. It's impossible trying to have a schizophrenic debate with a floundering jack ass."
Almost forgot why I put him on ignore. What put me over the top was him fucking with me and refusing to tell me the origin of his avatar. I thought if I could flatter him because he has one of the most interesting artistically avatars, he would talk about it and god damn chill. Since apparently he's one of the only people alive immune to weed. Instead he says I got it from the internet. Well dumbshit, thank you for nothing.
I can't begin to unfuck your small mind from all the severe trauma you have inflicted upon yourself. It's impossible trying to have a schizophrenic debate with a floundering jack ass."
Almost forgot why I put him on ignore. What put me over the top was him fucking with me and refusing to tell me the origin of his avatar. I thought if I could flatter him because he has one of the most interesting artistically avatars, he would talk about it and god damn chill. Since apparently he's one of the only people alive immune to weed. Instead he says I got it from the internet. Well dumbshit, thank you for nothing.
The Ruiner
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Youtube is not research, at least not the videos you are watching. This guy was a failure, like Al Qaeda is failing.
His arguments (and yours by association) are completely rhetorical, and espoused only by the willfully ignorant, the uninformed, or terrorists.
At the end of the day, you guys can talk yourselves in frenzied circles about how "bad" the US is, but the US policy will remained fixed on what happens in REALITY. Whether you or anyone else can accept it, more countries and people WANT the US in the middle east than dont. It's just that simple.
The people in the Middle East want us out you clown not the other way around.
Al Qaedas presence is growing. It is bigger in Iraq since we've been there because they were afraid of Saddam. They are now in Libya. What else don't you know?
The Ruiner
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Keep telling yourself that while reality keeps painting a different picture. You do realize that there is no way that the US could maintain such a heavy presence in the region if those countries hosting our bases didnt want us there, right? You do realize that paying attention the rhetoric is a far cry from watching the actions of the players involved?
Believe me, I can see why you think the way that you do. But it's just apparent that regardless of all the talk that you hear, that the US is a very welcome presence in the Middle East. I am not advocating crazy numbers of troops, and neither are the countries that we base in, but our presence acts as a balance, and a deterrent. Middle East leaders have a well established track record of saying one thing, and doing some drastically different things...this explains the seemingly tumultuous and dichotomous relationship with the US.
sync0s
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You've lost your mind.
canuckgrow
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your all a bunch of sausages
The Ruiner
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sync0s
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Because you probably believe the rhetoric that we were attacked because of our freedom. Sure, US could be a welcome presence in the middle east. The problem is, if we are present than we are either committing/supporting acts of war or propping up fascist dictators. We are only welcome to those dictators that run the countries... oh and Israel. Don't get me started on that terrorist nation.
Osama Bin Laden said:
The Ruiner
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Seriously dude? I am way too cynical for that shit.
As far as the US presence, I think you are dead wrong. The US isn't in these countries constantly committing acts of war, that's just a fallacy of thought versus reality. We are welcomed yes, by the leaders of countries, but as evidenced by Libya and Egypt - we are also very welcomed by the people.
dukeanthony
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http://www.ntclibya.org/english/libya/
A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council hereby presents its vision for rebuilding the democratic state of Libya. This vision responds to the needs and aspirations of our people, while incorporating the historical changes brought about by the 17 February revolution.
We have learnt from the struggles of our past during the dark days of dictatorship that there is no alternative to building a free and democratic society and ensuring the supremacy of international humanitarian law and human rights declarations. This can only be achieved through dialogue, tolerance, co-operation, national cohesiveness and the active participation of all citizens. As we are familiar with being ruled by the authoritarian dictatorship of one man, the political authority that we seek must represent the free will of the people, without exclusion or suppression of any voice.
The lessons of our past will outline our social contract through the need to respect the interests of all groups and classes that comprise the fabric of our society and not compromise the interests of one at the expense of the other. It is this social contract that must lead us to a civil society that recognises intellectual and political pluralism and allows for the peaceful transfer of power through legal institutions and ballot boxes; in accordance with a national constitution crafted by the people and endorsed in a referendum.
To that end, we will outline our aspirations for a modern, free and united state, following the defeat of the illegal Gaddafi regime. The interim national council will be guided by the following in our continuing march to freedom, through espousing the principles of political democracy. We recognise without reservation our obligation to:
1. Draft a national constitution that clearly defines its nature, essence and purpose and establishes legal, political, civil, legislative, executive and judicial institutions. The constitution will also clarify the rights and obligations of citizens in a transparent manner, thus separating and balancing the three branches of legislative, executive and judicial powers.
2. Form political organisations and civil institutions including the formation of political parties, popular organisations, unions, societies and other civil and peaceful associations.
3. Maintain a constitutional civil and free state by upholding intellectual and political pluralism and the peaceful transfer of power, opening the way for genuine political participation, without discrimination.
4. Guarantee every Libyan citizen, of statutory age, the right to vote in free and fair parliamentary and presidential elections, as well as the right to run for office.
5. Guarantee and respect the freedom of expression through media, peaceful protests, demonstrations and sit-ins and other means of communication, in accordance with the constitution and its laws in a way that protects public security and social peace.
6. A state that draws strength from our strong religious beliefs in peace, truth, justice and equality.
7. Political democracy and the values of social justice, which include:
a. The nation’s economy to be used for the benefit of the Libyan people by creating effective economic institutions in order to eradicate poverty and unemployment – working towards a healthy society, a green environment and a prosperous economy.
b. The development of genuine economic partnerships between a strong and productive public sector, a free private sector and a supportive and effective civil society, which overstands corruption and waste.
c. Support the use of science and technology for the betterment of society, through investments in education, research and development, thus enabling the encouragement of an innovative culture and enhancing the spirit of creativity. Focus on emphasising individual rights in a way that guarantees social freedoms that were denied to the Libyan people during the rule of dictatorship. In addition to building efficient public and private institutions and funds for social care, integration and solidarity, the state will guarantee the rights and empowerment of women in all legal, political, economic and cultural spheres.
d. A constitutional civil state which respects the sanctity of religious doctrine and condemns intolerance, extremism and violence that are manufactured by certain political, social or economic interests. The state to which we aspire will denounce violence, terrorism, intolerance and cultural isolation; while respecting human rights, rules and principles of citizenship and the rights of minorities and those most vulnerable. Every individual will enjoy the full rights of citizenship, regardless of colour, gender, ethnicity or social status.
8. Build a democratic Libya whose international and regional relationships will be based upon:
a. The embodiment of democratic values and institutions which respects its neighbours, builds partnerships and recognises the independence and sovereignty of other nations. The state will also seek to enhance regional integration and international co-operation through its participation with members of the international community in achieving international peace and security.
b. A state which will uphold the values of international justice, citizenship, the respect of international humanitarian law and human rights declarations, as well as condemning authoritarian and despotic regimes. The interests and rights of foreign nationals and companies will be protected. Immigration, residency and citizenship will be managed by government institutions, respecting the principles and rights of political asylum and public liberties.
c. A state which will join the international community in rejecting and denouncing racism, discrimination and terrorism while strongly supporting peace, democracy and freedom.
A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council hereby presents its vision for rebuilding the democratic state of Libya. This vision responds to the needs and aspirations of our people, while incorporating the historical changes brought about by the 17 February revolution.
We have learnt from the struggles of our past during the dark days of dictatorship that there is no alternative to building a free and democratic society and ensuring the supremacy of international humanitarian law and human rights declarations. This can only be achieved through dialogue, tolerance, co-operation, national cohesiveness and the active participation of all citizens. As we are familiar with being ruled by the authoritarian dictatorship of one man, the political authority that we seek must represent the free will of the people, without exclusion or suppression of any voice.
The lessons of our past will outline our social contract through the need to respect the interests of all groups and classes that comprise the fabric of our society and not compromise the interests of one at the expense of the other. It is this social contract that must lead us to a civil society that recognises intellectual and political pluralism and allows for the peaceful transfer of power through legal institutions and ballot boxes; in accordance with a national constitution crafted by the people and endorsed in a referendum.
To that end, we will outline our aspirations for a modern, free and united state, following the defeat of the illegal Gaddafi regime. The interim national council will be guided by the following in our continuing march to freedom, through espousing the principles of political democracy. We recognise without reservation our obligation to:
1. Draft a national constitution that clearly defines its nature, essence and purpose and establishes legal, political, civil, legislative, executive and judicial institutions. The constitution will also clarify the rights and obligations of citizens in a transparent manner, thus separating and balancing the three branches of legislative, executive and judicial powers.
2. Form political organisations and civil institutions including the formation of political parties, popular organisations, unions, societies and other civil and peaceful associations.
3. Maintain a constitutional civil and free state by upholding intellectual and political pluralism and the peaceful transfer of power, opening the way for genuine political participation, without discrimination.
4. Guarantee every Libyan citizen, of statutory age, the right to vote in free and fair parliamentary and presidential elections, as well as the right to run for office.
5. Guarantee and respect the freedom of expression through media, peaceful protests, demonstrations and sit-ins and other means of communication, in accordance with the constitution and its laws in a way that protects public security and social peace.
6. A state that draws strength from our strong religious beliefs in peace, truth, justice and equality.
7. Political democracy and the values of social justice, which include:
a. The nation’s economy to be used for the benefit of the Libyan people by creating effective economic institutions in order to eradicate poverty and unemployment – working towards a healthy society, a green environment and a prosperous economy.
b. The development of genuine economic partnerships between a strong and productive public sector, a free private sector and a supportive and effective civil society, which overstands corruption and waste.
c. Support the use of science and technology for the betterment of society, through investments in education, research and development, thus enabling the encouragement of an innovative culture and enhancing the spirit of creativity. Focus on emphasising individual rights in a way that guarantees social freedoms that were denied to the Libyan people during the rule of dictatorship. In addition to building efficient public and private institutions and funds for social care, integration and solidarity, the state will guarantee the rights and empowerment of women in all legal, political, economic and cultural spheres.
d. A constitutional civil state which respects the sanctity of religious doctrine and condemns intolerance, extremism and violence that are manufactured by certain political, social or economic interests. The state to which we aspire will denounce violence, terrorism, intolerance and cultural isolation; while respecting human rights, rules and principles of citizenship and the rights of minorities and those most vulnerable. Every individual will enjoy the full rights of citizenship, regardless of colour, gender, ethnicity or social status.
8. Build a democratic Libya whose international and regional relationships will be based upon:
a. The embodiment of democratic values and institutions which respects its neighbours, builds partnerships and recognises the independence and sovereignty of other nations. The state will also seek to enhance regional integration and international co-operation through its participation with members of the international community in achieving international peace and security.
b. A state which will uphold the values of international justice, citizenship, the respect of international humanitarian law and human rights declarations, as well as condemning authoritarian and despotic regimes. The interests and rights of foreign nationals and companies will be protected. Immigration, residency and citizenship will be managed by government institutions, respecting the principles and rights of political asylum and public liberties.
c. A state which will join the international community in rejecting and denouncing racism, discrimination and terrorism while strongly supporting peace, democracy and freedom.
dukeanthony
New Member
Yeah its racist to hate Obama if in your heart its because of the Color of his skin
I've seen all these Retorts and Videos at stormfront
Whats your username there
I've seen all these Retorts and Videos at stormfront
Whats your username there
sync0s
Well-Known Member
And yet the insurgency continues.
Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Israel, Yemen, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Qatar, and Jordan. All countries in the middle east that US has at least one incident of American military intervention in the past 50 years. Only countries missing are Turkey (despite the military base), Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan. Awfully short list.
http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2010/0805_arab_opinion_poll_telhami.aspx
We have the least support in Middle East compared to the entire world
beardo
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Arent they murdering all the Christians?
dukeanthony
New Member
No
not even Pat Robertson is putting that out
The Ruiner
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Interesting graphs...very compelling. I would like to point out that Brookings is a conservative institution, and as such they have made it an "Obama Issue," not a US issue. Also, your graphs are over a year old and do not reflect the situations mentioned (Egypt and Libya), or the new evidence concerning Iran's nuclear program.
Futhermore, you do realize that the "Arab street" POV is just as manipulated as the "American Street" opinions?