Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

krustofskie

krustofskie

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Brazko said:
You see, it makes no sense to me, or the philosophy of the Christian religion, where you go to heaven for being Christ like, but don't take my literal explanation as that is what I believe, I'm just stating how we were raised in the Southern BAptist Churches..., however, we accept all people into the Grace of God, the only rule is that you wish to be accepted, atheist, crackhead, murderer, etc. etc..
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Makes no sense to me either. Its why I turned my back on the church as a young teenager. Didn't think about my beliefs after that until I was a bit older where I looked at the religions (I am no scholar on them but got the basic jist) that are out there and none of them made sense to me, they were all contradictory to what I saw and had learned in the world.
 
Brazko

Brazko

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krustofskie said:
Makes no sense to me either. Its why I turned my back on the church as a young teenager. Didn't think about my beliefs after that until I was a bit older where I looked at the religions (I am no scholar on them but got the basic jist) that are out there and none of them made sense to me, they were all contradictory to what I saw and had learned in the world.
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Well, I always related to the teachings of my church, I couldn't understand the reality of God, although I knew him to be real in my heart, however, I was easily able to understand the teachings in relation to the every day life I lived and Saw from others.., my onward push to understand the truth, brought it all together.. I understand after a childhood of misconceptions and supposedly truth, even how some choose to manipulate a person, can be scarring, and put a damper on the Truth of the REality, but the Truth is still there, you just have to be willing to search for it, My search led me all over the World and Through Out the Universe, and it all makes sense to Me, as I know it does with others. It's a evolution of mind, spirit, and body one must go through. Everybody has their own pace, and I'm able to love and understand everybody because of it....

but that's another thing too, God isn't just about Love, or even Hate, he is Neutral in All Things, that is the Natural state of God to me... Balance.
 
Brazko

Brazko

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IAm5toned said:
babs... i hear your a size one...
we should go out some time :lol:
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Come ON Now, She's having a Rough night, is it a Full Moon... I know the Cycle of most women run in Sync with it, or close to it...

I tried to defend her, and she jumped my shit, Hormones I guess....., Or

Blame it on the Goose, Blame it On the Trone..., Blame it on the Alco, alco, Alcohol.....:lol:
 
Brazko

Brazko

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It's late for me too, I have 5 blocks of houses I have to hit up Tomorrow, Gotta get my rest if I'm going to deliver the Word properly :lol:


Good Night and please keep your dogs tied up tomorrow, I'm Commmminnnnnnng :lol:


:peace:
 
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PadawanBater

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Well... anyone not wishing to read 65 pages... let me fill you in...

Yeah, no proof has been shown, at all, of any kind of intelligent creator.

Complexity doesn't prove design. Percieved lack of evidence in any established scientific theory doesnt' prove design.

the end.
 
morgentaler

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Brazko said:
Mockery, Good For YOu...:clap:, :sleep:
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Well, there you go again, putting yourself on a pedestal. You can use sarcasm, but don't like mockery. Huzzah huzzah.


It's not what other people think of it, or how they interpet it, It's how you come to interpret the meaning.. Everybody's mind isn't on the same playing field Religious or Atheist... this has become obvious, Higher Education or Not, money can buy anything except for the abiltiy to comprehend the knowledge put before you....
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Atheism just means no gods. It doesn't mean we have the same political views, etc.
By the nature of Christianity, and it's written doctrine, you are required to be obedient to God. And the biblical God is a vindictive, petty, murderous child.
So either you worship a vile creature, who sometimes dresses up in nice clothes, or you're not a Christian.
Figure it out.

And yes, higher education can't make everyone comprehend knowledge any better, but while you're taking shots at it, might as well shoot you while you're exposed.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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Nicely written, but you *can* attack religion as a whole.

Religion, all religions, are dogmatic. The suspension of reason for faith.

The only reason I'm taking on Christianity specifically is that that's all who showed up.

I'll take on the Muslims and Leprechaunians too if they show up to defend their dogma.



Brazko said:
Yes, that is why it is Easily manipulated by those who are able to do so, and the Word is effective because it plays into the reality of what a person feels, but can't fully understand...

The Majority of the People are Good, but obviously some people are Not, and without good intentions except to benefit themselves....

That is why you can't attack the REligion as a Whole, you attack the Head, and only by attacking the body of religion, you allow the Head to gain greater control over the Body....if you haven't figured it out, Atheists are part of that body as Well, helps build up the immune system :idea:
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morgentaler

morgentaler

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That sounds less Christian theist, and more deist.

And the deity you describe doesn't match the Christian one.

So would you instead consider yourself a deist without doctrine?




Brazko said:
Well, I always related to the teachings of my church, I couldn't understand the reality of God, although I knew him to be real in my heart, however, I was easily able to understand the teachings in relation to the every day life I lived and Saw from others.., my onward push to understand the truth, brought it all together.. I understand after a childhood of misconceptions and supposedly truth, even how some choose to manipulate a person, can be scarring, and put a damper on the Truth of the REality, but the Truth is still there, you just have to be willing to search for it, My search led me all over the World and Through Out the Universe, and it all makes sense to Me, as I know it does with others. It's a evolution of mind, spirit, and body one must go through. Everybody has their own pace, and I'm able to love and understand everybody because of it....

but that's another thing too, God isn't just about Love, or even Hate, he is Neutral in All Things, that is the Natural state of God to me... Balance.
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Wordz

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I like to imagine Jesus wearing a tuxedo t-shirt. Because its saying I wanna be classy but im here to party too and I like to party so i like my jesus to party.
 
Iron Lion Zion

Iron Lion Zion

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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
- Albert Einstein
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on.
- Frank Zappa

Most people can`t bear to sit in church for an hour on Sundays. How are they supposed to live somewhere very similar to it for eternity?
- Mark Twain

:)
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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Wordz said:
I like to imagine Jesus wearing a tuxedo t-shirt. Because its saying I wanna be classy but im here to party too and I like to party so i like my jesus to party.
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No way man if he were here today he'd look like a homeless stoner hippie kinda dude with a tie dye t-shirt and baggy jeans with birkenstocks and hemp necklace. And he'd party for sure, drinkin a 40 and smoking endo.
 
Babs34

Babs34

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Brazko said:
Come ON Now, She's having a Rough night, is it a Full Moon... I know the Cycle of most women run in Sync with it, or close to it...

I tried to defend her, and she jumped my shit, Hormones I guess....., Or

Blame it on the Goose, Blame it On the Trone..., Blame it on the Alco, alco, Alcohol.....:lol:
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"or"......just blame it on being a prick. Yo, Braz.....you were trying to "defend" me a couple pages back? Looks much more like instigating.
Yeah, but blame it on the moon.
 
cbtwohundread

cbtwohundread

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live the life ya love.,.,.,.,.,.love the life ya live.,.,.,who feels it knows it.,.,.spit in the sky,itll fall in ya eye.,.,.,.wat comes around goes around.,.,.,everyday the bucket goes to the well,one day the bottom a drop out.,.,.,.,.,.,love thy neighbor,as u would love thy saviour.,.,u gotta think with ure heart ,and love with ure mind.,.,.,u gota love from the tip py top,to the very last drop.,.,.,yea
 
Babs34

Babs34

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morgentaler said:
Not really. Because half of you claim it's all literal word of god. The other half claims it's all parables.
Nearly half believe that the world is 6000 years old, while slightly more than half reconcile an old earth with biblical teachings.

The weird thing is how there's a discrepancy between the number of Young Earth Creationists, and literal-word believers. Maybe it was just an error in the polls. Otherwise there's people trying to shoehorn two opposing schools of thought into one brain. Major cognitive dissonance.[/QUOTE
Most words from Christ are simple. Parables only make you more deeply reflect upon the meaning......it's not a tactic used to deflect from the truth.
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Babs34

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IAm5toned said:
agreed. the vatican would gain alot of credibilty if they would abandon there mission of SPREADING the word and try LIVING the word they spread.
but what fun is a world without hypocrisy
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LOL, every last one of you uses whatever VALID point I make to tear apart Christianity. Truth be known, I have no reverence for the pope. The entire ideology of the Vatican is eerie to me.
But again..and again and again...we're not in the 11th century any longer......islam is.
Some enjoy calling me "racist" (inappropriately I might add)....you refuse to acknowledge the truth.
What did the pope say wrong that merited his death threats by muslims?
 
Babs34

Babs34

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Tolerance......there's a word you keep throwing around.
We, in sane society, should tolerate that you can't throw out in the public arena the insane ideology that speaking against "the prophet" should NOT cause the response around the world that it did?
 
Hydrotech364

Hydrotech364

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morgentaler said:
The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on.
- Frank Zappa

Most people can`t bear to sit in church for an hour on Sundays. How are they supposed to live somewhere very similar to it for eternity?
- Mark Twain

:)
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Have to give this post a 10.Zappa and Twain.Talk about diverse.:bigjoint:
 
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