Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

CrackerJax

New Member
Okay... I did realize that Buddhism WINS again!!!

Dang... that RELIGION is pure ownership in every category.

Go Buddha go.
 

Babs34

Well-Known Member
Oh Boy.... religion is made because of the belief in G*D. No G*D... no one would invent religion.

So what would be the point.... worship a pocket knife?... a blender?

No G*D.... no religion.
I have the answers you seek, LOL.
LOOK OUT....I'll be back later.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
That would be a neat trick, since I haven't been affected by anything you have posted so far.

I need no myth to guide me by.
 

cbtwohundread

Well-Known Member
That and three fifty will get you a cup of coffee.

What I said is true, and obviously struck a nerve.
no it didnt.,.,im a mellow dude just pointing out ure closed mind,when it comes to praise of any god.,.,u say praising the science bo0k is the only way.,.,no matter wat religous thread comes into play ure there to bash there praises and talk ure science chat.,.,u dont have to send i to scho0l to learn the golden rule.,.,i have no problem with ure outlo0k its not mine to each his own.,.,what ever rocks ure boat dont rock mine.,.and its all fine,.
 

Brazko

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Damn dude, maby you should chill and have a time out and take some deep breaths.

:? :roll: , I didn't have any burgers to flip at the time, but I didn't know I was breathing Heavy, or was feeling heated... Maybe you noticed something I didn't....Go smoke and Contemplate some more....:finger:
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
fracaso, faillite, fallimento, fracasso...:sleep:


Example of circular reasoning...
God is real.
Why?
Because the bible says so.
How do you know the bible is correct?
Because it is the word of God.

So where do you get circular reasoning out of any of our arguments or points?

When I say that your God is genocidal its because that's exactly what your document about god says.
Samuel 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

When I say that your god condones rape:
19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

When I say that God is portrayed as evil:
A skeptic went through the bible and tallied up the number of killings by God and Satan, based on those incidences which provided numbers for reference. For those without direct numbers estimates were made.
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html

God numbered killings 2.391,421 estimated total 33 million
Satan numbered killings 10 estimated total 10
I think that you might have been tricked into worshipping the wrong side.

Obviously if I actually believed that the bible wasn't a work of fiction, with an imaginary main character and supporting cast, then it would be circular to use the bible to prove god, to prove the bible.

But instead, I'm criticizing the stupidity of it all: The worship of a hateful, destructive creature that is no better than any ruthless human dictator the world has seen. "God" is Sauron, Valdemort, Angus Thermopylae, and any other archetype of fictional villains. The phrase "God is love" loses its meaning when God also has anger issues and poor impulse control. God is an abusive stepfather, forced on dozens of generations of different cultures, inculcated into their belief systems.

The thought of this death cult being indoctrinated into children sickens and angers me. People are being bred as stock to fill the coffers of the corporation of religion.

I'm sure you're going to answer with "FAIL FAIL OMGWTFBBQ" or some similar bullshit. That's fine. It just means people are able to skip over your posts all that much faster, and read the ones that tear down your false god.

FAIL
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
1 Love and Peace to ErrBody, I wasn't heated or mad, just addressing the posts as I was able to while my manager's back was turned.... But the berating of people don't fly over on me, if you dish it, I'll cook it UP..

I sincerely hope things could get back on topic, and if not, let the thread die, and when you speak to people..., be respectful or stop the boohoo'N, you get back in life, what you put out, the Law of Attraction..:lol: , that one was for you CJ... ;-)

:peace:
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
Here I'll help you out some more with the Breaking Down?

I have REspect for a lot of you that assume the Title of Atheist, you often present your point of view without trying to Mock a Person's belief, although, it's a rarity... The hypocrisy tho' of coming off like OMG, why is BAb being so insulting is like :dunce:, really, come oN, Give me a fucking break, I just have no clue why She's acting that way.. :wall: (wasn't that what they were saying )and you can take it like you wanna, take it how you feel, But it's a Shit Load of Ignorants that continue to defile the Name Atheist..., these are the people you probably could get through to first if you are trying to make the world a better place, Oh, that's not part of the Agenda, Let me take on the entire World of Religion, Right, that's going to make a difference...,
You just don't Get it do you...:-|, don't worry, I get it NoW.....

:peace:
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
Does everyone realize that the OP has only this one post? :lol:

yeah, I did, but I just look at threads as good talking points and ice breakers for conversation.. At some point, the comments become less and dry.. but usually if it's a good talking/discussion point people will always drop in and just pick up on the conversation wherever, and usually it would get back to the subject at hand.. I think it just fills a void for us to come together and discuss.. Nobody ever discussed anything that is legit from either side and the thread will never get going with discussion and eventually die..... I keep hearing it's a pitiful thread, but the replies are plentiful, as well as the views.. Something must be interesting about it.. ;-)

Peace CJ, going to get some Grub

:peace:
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
You'll "cook it up"?
Brazko you couldn't melt butter in a microwave.

:lol: , you probably right... I know somewhere else butter won't melt too, just tilt your Head south and Look.., No, a little further, No.. A little further....STOP brrrrrrrrr.... did you feel it get Chilly all of a Sudden :-P :lol:
 
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PadawanBater

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I love simplicity.....works best so often.
You ask what "believers" believe. How can I speak for everyone? How can I possibly account for what they may or may not encounter?
A question to ask yourself is what proof do you, or scientists have behind the existence of the universe?
Yikes....go past the big bang theory please.
And I can even accept Adam and Eve were apes. In the realm of things, what does it matter if they were? So many MANY possiblities.
What INFINITE reason/proof does Science have that God just does not, in fact, exist? Is fact really even an existence? Or is it a fact because it exists?
I think that's the better question among an infinity of endless ?s.
Science will ask why, why, what, how, where, when for all eternity as you and I, all of mankind, will exist.
Why?
Because God IS Science.
I'd elaborate, but I'm off to run errands.
What proof do scientists have;

- the big bang theory - the leading theory for the existence of the universe. Plenty to back it up to accept it without having to rely on faith. What do you mean "go past the big bang theory"?

If Adam and Eve ever existed the way the Bible says they did, they most certainly were not "apes". They would be modern homo sapiens, no different at all. 6,000 years is not enough time for our species to go from our ape-like ancestors to the current homo sapiens. Ardi, that new homonid discovery is dated at 5 million years old, give or take. So unless the story of Adam and Eve took place a few million years ago, they were as close to modern humans as you yourself are.

Science says nothing at all about the existence of the supernatural. Science is only concerned with the natural world.

Science asks "how", philosophy asks "why".
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
Science asks "how", philosophy asks "why".
Exactly, Paddy.. That is why the Two are inseperable... You can't have one without the Other... the Philosophy/Religion comes First...

Thats why as a Kid you Tore you toys apart, because you asked Why does this Cow go Moo when I pull the String and you looked inside and found out How..

It's not like Science is asking HOw just for the Sake of it as it goes deeper,, All the Why's have been proposed and Science is trying to (although rigidly slow b/c the Why's have been forgotten) catch up with the HOw's...

Is it not remarkable that without science at hand.. Men were able to sense and observe their surroundings and although not pin point accurate to a T (this is impossible even with Science to achieve in itself in all theories), and everthing still aligns accordingly with what Science finally unveils...

I think CJ said something about the Atom not being discovered until Science detected it, but it was thought of and philosophies about it 1000's of years before science accurately unveiled it... Sorry for the copy and paste, but things get too technical around here sometimes..
Atomism

Main article: Atomism
The concept that matter is composed of discrete units and cannot be divided into arbitrarily tiny quantities has been around for millennia, but these ideas were founded in abstract, philosophical reasoning rather than experimentation and empirical observation. The nature of atoms in philosophy varied considerably over time and between cultures and schools, and often had spiritual elements. Nevertheless, the basic idea of the atom was adopted by scientists thousands of years later because it elegantly explained new discoveries in the field of chemistry.[5]
The earliest references to the concept of atoms date back to ancient India in the 6th century BCE,[6] appearing first in Jainism.[7] The Nyaya and Vaisheshika schools developed elaborate theories of how atoms combined into more complex objects.[8] In the West, the references to atoms emerged a century later from Leucippus, whose student, Democritus, systematized his views. In approximately 450 BCE, Democritus coined the term átomos (Greek: ἄτομος), which means "uncuttable" or "the smallest indivisible particle of matter". Although the Indian and Greek concepts of the atom were based purely on philosophy, modern science has retained the name coined by Democritus.[5]
Corpuscularianism is the postulate, expounded in the 13th-century by the alchemist Pseudo-Geber (Geber),[9] that all physical bodies possess an inner and outer layer of minute particles or corpuscles.[10] Corpuscularianism is similar to the theory atomism, except that where atoms were supposed to be indivisible, corpuscles could in principle be divided. In this manner, for example, it was theorized that mercury could penetrate into metals and modify their inner structure.[11] Corpuscularianism stayed a dominant theory over the next several hundred years and was blended with alchemy by Robert Boyle and Isaac Newton in the 17th century.[10][12] It was used by Newton, for instance, in his development of the corpuscular theory of light.
 

morgentaler

Well-Known Member
Funny how you jammed religion onto philosophy like that.
Philosophy needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.

Philosophy takes what is known, and then attempts to interpolate between that which is known, and the unknown. It requires no deities, idols, or worship of any kind. It is simply the evaluation of potentials.
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
Funny how you jammed religion onto philosophy like that.
Philosophy needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle.

Philosophy takes what is known, and then attempts to interpolate between that which is known, and the unknown. It requires no deities, idols, or worship of any kind. It is simply the evaluation of potentials.
I didn't try to Jam anything.. Philosophy and Religion are the Same Thing in principle.... of course Philosphy doesn't require a God but neither does Religion, It doesn't require having a God or any being, it is simply a cultural or individual way of life....I'm sure this is the only way you interpret religion but religion encompasses much more than Idols, God/gods, & Worship..

I'm simply stating what is and not What I wish to assume as, and I understand Religion to be more than Benny Hinn broadcasting into your T.v set

here let me show you, I'll take something that is known and let me know if it still remains true


Religion takes what is known, and then attempts to interpolate between that which is known, and the unknown. It requires no deities, idols, or worship of any kind. It is simply the evaluation of potentials.

but this is not correct because all religions require a deity, idol, Worship and isn't based on the conceived potential.. Correct.. is that what you are saying...?

if So, Ok, you Win.. I submit to your All knowingness too,
 
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