Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

mindphuk

mindphuk

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Sparky4u said:
There was an interesting man by the name of Edgar Cayce,
He was never wrong.
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Bold claim. I guess when you make unverifiable claims like those of Atlantis, or California will one day fall into the ocean after a major quake, and the "unknown" life of Jesus, you are pretty much clear from being wrong.

However, when he was specific, such as his dates for the pyramids of Egypt, he was quite incorrect.

It's very sad that someone would come here and claim he was never wrong and did all of these fantastical healings without any true verification of such events.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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Sparky4u said:
He could even describe the inside of the house address where patient is at, even if its half way around the world.
He was never wrong.
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Never, huh?
That one was easy. From Wikipedia. I'm sure I can find more if you need it, but even providing one reference is more than you provide so I'm not going to work too hard.

In 1984, the Cayce foundation supported an effort to carbon date the pyramids of Giza. The average radiocarbon dates were 374 years earlier than expected by the Egyptologists, but nowhere near the 10,500 years B.C. claimed by Cayce.[27] The carbon dates of the Great Pyramid ranged from about 3800–2850 B.C.—about 7,000 years later than Cayce's claim.[28]


He chose to use his gifts for the right reasons, his foundation was selfless giving, as each reading drained him of his physical vitality and took a toll on his physical health.
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He died at the age of 67, certainly not a spring chicken nor out of the ordinary for the time.
His marketing strategy of asking for donations is no different than that of the evangelist who asks for donations rather than demanding a salary.
If his psychic powers were so strong why would he have need of donations when investments would be such a trivial thing.

He could have single handedly saved the US from the depression, or identified Hitler as a threat far in advance...


Would you do this for humanity Morgantaler if you had such a gift?
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With a gift of performance like that I'd likely be a headline act in Las Vegas.

Religions can help people align their conscious.
Some do need it more than others, to this we can at least agree.
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"align their conscious"...
No, we can't at least agree.
If you want to believe in some unsubstantiated zen stuff that's fine. If you're going to claim any of it as fact, back it up.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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Let's put it on the table. Show me just one published paper in the Journal of General Psychology or Journal Nature that supports psychic phenomenon or astrology.
You can find abstracts for the articles on PubMed or other academic sites.

It's more work than searching for "why psychics are real" in google, but a successful find would lend strength to the claims where none currently exists.
 
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PadawanBater

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Astrology... Really?

Even if I was 12 you couldn't make me believe astrology was authentic science.
 
Sparky4u

Sparky4u

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I shouldnt have said never, I was bound to eat that. Rightfully so.

You have to read books about Cayce to understand him. He saw spirits regularly, and even played with them in his backyard. He actively communicated with them, not saw them through some timeskip/warp/whatever.
He didnt begin astral projection until he was like 13 or so. Whenever he used his gifts for profits, it would never work out. He couldnt/wouldnt use his gifts for any hardcore personal gains such as Vegas freak, sorry.

Throughout his readings/checkups he would find that depending on the type of dr the patient had, only parts of his treatments were being administered. Mostly because the treatments combined both western style medicine along with chiropractic applications.
The contradiction in training methods left the patients not being treated as prescribed wholely.
He recognized this, and went about a lifetime of trying to open a hospital to ensure proper and accurate treatments.
He limitedly did past life regressions for people, but recognized it could have a negative effect on them so he quit doing it. Ironically, his son now does/did it as a profession, and the family works at keeping all he has recorded/said in order.
He could not personally recall anything he said during the sessions, and wasnt sent to be everyones savior, even from Hitler. Lots of books out there on the guy, it is what first attracted me to the written concepts of astral travel.

But a better question is how can one provide pictures of an afterlife if it isnt physical?
What publication has enough credibility anywhere to say, hey, yep, theres an afterlife, or nope it all hogwash because I say so? No one on this earth has this authority, am I correct?
Nothing anyone has ever written will change a position that doesnt wish to be changed.

I am not attempting to steer any in a particular direction per se, however I am much more skeptical of any man than a creative source of existence; which is my whole main point of all these conversations.

Man is the one who has put a lot of false words into God's mouth throughout history, man should be blamed for it, not God. Many religions are broken into pieces to support man these days.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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Edgar Cayce (1877-1945)

Cayce "loved to have his patients boiling the most obscure roots and bark to make nasty syrups. Perhaps the therapy was based on nauseating the victim so much that the original illness was forgotten." --James Randi
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Edgar Cayce (pronounced Casey) is known as one of America's greatest psychics. His followers maintain that Cayce was able to tap into some sort of higher consciousness, such as God or the akashic record, to get his "psychic knowledge." He used this "knowledge" to predict that California will slide into the ocean and that New York City will be destroyed in some sort of cataclysm. He predicted that in 1958 the U.S. would discover some sort of death ray used on Atlantis. Cayce is one of the main people responsible for some of the sillier notions about Atlantis, including the idea that the Atlanteans had some sort of Great Crystal. Cayce called the Great Crystal the Tuaoi Stone and said it was a huge cylindrical prism that was used to gather and focus "energy," allowing the Atlanteans to do all kinds of fantastic things. But they got greedy and stupid, tuned up their Crystal to too high a frequency and set off volcanic disturbances that led to the destruction of that ancient world. He made other predictions concerning such things as the Great Depression (that 1933 would be a good year) and the Lindbergh kidnapping (most of it wrong, all of it useless), and that China would be converted to Christianity by 1968. He also claimed to be able see and read auras, but this power was never tested under controlled conditions. However, Edgar Cayce is best known for being a psychic medical diagnostician and psychic reader of past lives. ​
Cayce was known as "the sleeping prophet" because he would close his eyes and appear to go into a trance when he did his readings (Stearn 1990). At his death, he left thousands of accounts of past life and medical readings. A stenographer took notes during his sessions and some 30,000 transcripts of his readings are under the protection of the Association for Research and Enlightenment. However, Cayce usually worked with an assistant (hypnotist and mail-order osteopath Al Layne; John Blackburn, M.D.; homeopath Wesley Ketchum). According to Dale Beyerstein, "these documents are worthless by themselves" because they provide no way of distinguishing what Cayce discerned by psychic ability from information provided to him by his assistants, by letters from patients, or by simple observation. In short, the only evidence for Cayce's psychic doctoring is useless for testing his psychic powers. Nevertheless, it is the volume and alleged accuracy of his "cures" that seem to provide the main basis for belief in Cayce as a psychic. In fact, however, the support for his accuracy consists of little more than anecdotes and testimonials. There is no way to demonstrate that Cayce relied on psychic powers, rather than the placebo effect, even on those cases where there is no dispute that he was instrumental in the cure. ​
It is true, however, that many people considered themselves cured by Cayce and that's enough evidence for true believers. It works! The fact that thousands don't consider themselves cured or can't rationalize an erroneous diagnosis won't deter the true believer. Gardner notes that Dr. J. B. Rhine, famous for his ESP experiments at Duke University, was not impressed with Cayce. Rhine felt that a psychic reading done for his daughter didn't fit the facts. Defenders of Cayce claim that if a patient has any doubts about Cayce, the diagnosis won't be a good one. Yet, what reasonable person wouldn't have doubts about such a man, no matter how kind or sincere he was? ​
Cayce's defenders provide some classic ad hoc hypotheses to explain away their hero's failures. For example, Cayce and a famous dowser named Henry Gross set out together to discover buried treasure along the seashore and found nothing. Their defenders suggested that their psychic powers were accurate because either there once was a buried treasure where they looked but it had been dug up earlier, or there would be a treasure buried there sometime in the future (one wonders why their psychic powers didn't discern this). ​
There are many myths and legends surrounding Cayce: that an angel appeared to him when he was 13 and asked him what his greatest desire was (Cayce allegedly told the angel that his greatest desire was to help people); that he could absorb the contents of a book by putting it under his pillow while he slept; that he passed spelling tests by using clairvoyance; that he was illiterate and uneducated. The New York Times is greatly responsible for the illiteracy myth ("Illiterate Man Becomes a Doctor When Hypnotized," (Sunday magazine section, October 9, 1910). Many of the myths were passed on unchecked by Thomas Sugrue, who believed Cayce had cured him of a disabling illness. In his 1945 book The Story of Edgar Cayce: There is a River, Sugrue asserts that it was Cayce, not the medical doctors who treated them, that was responsible for the cures of Cayce's son ("blindness") and wife ("tuberculosis"). ​
One of the most common reasons given for believing in the psychic abilities of people such as Cayce is the claim that there's no way he could have known this stuff by ordinary means. He must have been told this by God or spirits or have been astrally projected back or forth in space or time, etc. Yet, Cayce's "psychic knowledge" is easily explained by quite ordinary ways of knowing things. ​
Even though Cayce didn't have a formal education much beyond grammar school, he was a voracious reader, worked in bookstores, and was especially fond of occult and osteopathic literature. (Osteopathy, in his day, was primitive and akin to naturopathy and folk medicine.) He was in contact with and assisted by people with various medical backgrounds. Even so, many of his readings would probably only make sense to an osteopath of his day. Martin Gardner cites Cayce's reading of Cayce's own wife as an example. The woman was suffering from tuberculosis: ​
.... from the head, pains along through the body from the second, fifth and sixth dorsals, and from the first and second lumbar...tie-ups here, floating lesions, or lateral lesions, in the muscular and nerve fibers which supply the lower end of the lung and the diaphragm...in conjunction with the sympathetic nerve of the solar plexus, coming in conjunction with the solar plexus at the end of the stomach.... (Gardner 1957: 217)
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The fact that Cayce mentions the lung is taken by his followers as evidence of a correct diagnosis; it counts as a psychic "hit." But what about the incorrect diagnoses: dorsals, lumbar, floating lesions, solar plexus and stomach? Why aren't those counted as diagnostic misses? And why did Cayce recommend osteopathic treatment for people with tuberculosis, epilepsy, and cancer? ​
In addition to osteopathy, Cayce was knowledgeable of homeopathy and naturopathy. According to Dale Beyerstein, Cayce was one of the first to recommend laetrile as a cancer cure.* (Laetrile is chemically related to amygdalin, a substance found naturally in the pits of apricots and various other fruits, and is known to be ineffective for cancer.) Beyerstein writes:​
Stearn (1967) summarizes Cayce's pronouncements on cancer. He reports that Cayce prescribed a serum made from the blood of rabbits for patients with "glandular," breast, and thyroid cancers, and in 1926, prescribed for a New York patient the raw side of a freshly skinned rabbit, still warm with blood, fur side out, placed on the breast for cancer of that area. "Animated ash," produced by taking bamboo fibers and passing an electrical charge through them, thereby producing the right vibrations for "life flowing effects," was another of his favorite cures.
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Cayce also recommended "oil of smoke" (creosote made from pine tar*) for a leg sore; "peach-tree poultice" for convulsions; "bedbug juice" for dropsy; "fumes of apple brandy from a charred keg" for tuberculosis; and peanut oil rub to prevent arthritis (Gardner 1957). Gardner notes that Cayce recommended almonds to prevent cancer, but he makes no mention of laetrile either as a preventive or a cure of anything.​
 
Big P

Big P

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here lets try to con each other and do a reading on each other and see if we get close,

to prove its a con


ok ill start reading Crackers fortune,




owwwwmmmmm owwwwmmm


There was sombody very close to you whom you have lost touch with long long ago but have never forgoten, you will be seeing them soon

your planning a great trip soon but will be going alone
this time


you will suceed in this next year in your finances


be wary of the person who has recently appeared in your life, they may not be dangerous but they are definatly not to be trusted



check around your house there is somthing that needs repairing ASAP:bigjoint:



 
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