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hanimmal said:

One of the questions was, what else was posted on this drug prior to the President bringing them up, I don't know where it leads, but if you care enough about this topic, isn't at least worth checking who we are listening to?

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The sequence of events started on Mar 6th was a discussion about RNA viruses and the role of zinc in inhibiting viral replication, it's in update # 32 above and is a pretty good refresher for anybody who wants a foundation in understanding the subject. Someone referenced in update #34, a paper showing Chloroquine was a zinc ionophore (helps zinc get inside cells) in vitro (Mar 10). Next it was found that hydroxychloroquine was also a zinc ionophore and much better tolerated the chloroquine in #34 on Mar 10th.

Here is the story of how Donald found out.

How Trump Became Obsessed with Hydroxychloroquine
Elon Musk, a terribly flawed French study, and Trump’s trade adviser all hyped an antimalarial drug as the coronavirus cure.
BY LUKE DARBY
April 7, 2020

"What do you have to lose?" Donald Trump asked rhetorically at a press briefing on Saturday. He was talking about hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial drug, which is also approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and which the president has latched on to as a miracle cure for coronavirus. Even if it's not, he says, coronavirus patients who are likely to die should go for it. "Take it. I really think they should take it. But it's their choice. And it's their doctor's choice or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine. Try it, if you'd like."
For now, there's limited evidence that hydroxychloroquine can help with mild cases of coronavirus, but that evidence is either anecdotal or based on questionable studies, some without control groups. Speaking to Face the Nation on CBS Sunday, Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said, "There have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there's no effect. So, I think in terms of science, I don't think we could definitively say it works."
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DIY-HP-LED said:

The sequence of events started on Mar 6th was a discussion about RNA viruses and the role of zinc in inhibiting viral replication, it's in update # 32 above and is a pretty good refresher for anybody who wants a foundation in understanding the subject. Someone referenced in update #34, a paper showing Chloroquine was a zinc ionophore (helps zinc get inside cells) in vitro (Mar 10). Next it was found that hydroxychloroquine was also a zinc ionophore and much better tolerated the chloroquine in #34 on Mar 10th.

Here is the story of how Donald found out.

How Trump Became Obsessed with Hydroxychloroquine

Elon Musk, a terribly flawed French study, and Trump's trade adviser all hyped an antimalarial drug as the coronavirus cure.

www.gq.com

How Trump Became Obsessed with Hydroxychloroquine
Elon Musk, a terribly flawed French study, and Trump’s trade adviser all hyped an antimalarial drug as the coronavirus cure.
BY LUKE DARBY
April 7, 2020

"What do you have to lose?" Donald Trump asked rhetorically at a press briefing on Saturday. He was talking about hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial drug, which is also approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and which the president has latched on to as a miracle cure for coronavirus. Even if it's not, he says, coronavirus patients who are likely to die should go for it. "Take it. I really think they should take it. But it's their choice. And it's their doctor's choice or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine. Try it, if you'd like."
For now, there's limited evidence that hydroxychloroquine can help with mild cases of coronavirus, but that evidence is either anecdotal or based on questionable studies, some without control groups. Speaking to Face the Nation on CBS Sunday, Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said, "There have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there's no effect. So, I think in terms of science, I don't think we could definitively say it works."
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The infamous french study was released online Mar 20th, but it was reported on before that.

DIY-HP-LED said:

The sequence of events started on Mar 6th was a discussion about RNA viruses and the role of zinc in inhibiting viral replication, it's in update # 32 above and is a pretty good refresher for anybody who wants a foundation in understanding the subject. Someone referenced in update #34, a paper showing Chloroquine was a zinc ionophore (helps zinc get inside cells) in vitro (Mar 10). Next it was found that hydroxychloroquine was also a zinc ionophore and much better tolerated the chloroquine in #34 on Mar 10th.

Here is the story of how Donald found out.

How Trump Became Obsessed with Hydroxychloroquine

Elon Musk, a terribly flawed French study, and Trump's trade adviser all hyped an antimalarial drug as the coronavirus cure.

www.gq.com

How Trump Became Obsessed with Hydroxychloroquine
Elon Musk, a terribly flawed French study, and Trump’s trade adviser all hyped an antimalarial drug as the coronavirus cure.
BY LUKE DARBY
April 7, 2020

"What do you have to lose?" Donald Trump asked rhetorically at a press briefing on Saturday. He was talking about hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial drug, which is also approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and which the president has latched on to as a miracle cure for coronavirus. Even if it's not, he says, coronavirus patients who are likely to die should go for it. "Take it. I really think they should take it. But it's their choice. And it's their doctor's choice or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine. Try it, if you'd like."
For now, there's limited evidence that hydroxychloroquine can help with mild cases of coronavirus, but that evidence is either anecdotal or based on questionable studies, some without control groups. Speaking to Face the Nation on CBS Sunday, Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said, "There have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there's no effect. So, I think in terms of science, I don't think we could definitively say it works."
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So this doctor doesn't really have any non public data does he? If so we will find out about if it works or not. Hoping that it does is one thing. I hope it works too. But out of everything this guy's videos are being amplified is it just because Trump and a discredited study are being used?

So this website moved to this topic 3-4 months after it started. I could see a professor putting lessons out there on it. But it is Trump that is using that to push this topic, are there lots of doctors out there saying something different about this topic? Why is that, is it just because Trump is amplifying this because he knows something, or is it completely random because it is being pushed on him by someone else. Because I am sure there are thousands of Doctors and scientists working on this issue and promoting one particular randomly selected and pushed by a guy who looks to make money on it, it seems that could be counter-productive.

Is this dude practicing?

Kind of weird to see a Doctor pimping a medical review blog/pay site?

DIY-HP-LED said:

The infamous french study was released online Mar 20th, but it was reported on before that.

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been found to be efficient on SARS-CoV-2, and reported to be efficient in Chinese COV-19 patients. We evaluate…

www.sciencedirect.com

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One further note, The Chinese and South Koreans were using Hydrochlorique to treat cov19 before this, as early as February.

hanimmal said:

Is this dude practicing?

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Yep, doing shifts in ICU now treating covid19 patients, he has pictures in the videos and describes the process of donning and doffing PPE with someone watching you to make sure you do it right. Others were using this drug to treat covid19 before this, in France, South Korea and China. He covers the french study too and mentions it's flaws and cautions appropropitaly too. He is mainly speaking to other professionals here with these updates and never mentioned this drug until update #34

I believe this is the first video concerning covid19 on Jan 26th, and it appears they decided to do updates after that.
Coronavirus Outbreak - Transmission & Updates Explained (Recorded January 26, 2020)

hanimmal said:

Kind of weird to see a Doctor pimping a medical review blog/pay site?

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Medical schools cost money and so do the certifications offered here for medical professionals, these doctors are exploring new ways of teaching and offering educational services, much is given away though

DIY-HP-LED said:

Medical schools cost money and so do the certifications offered here for medical professionals, these doctors are exploring new ways of teaching and offering educational services, much is given away though

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Or it is a scam that is designed to get people to sign up and give them their information to access the 'free content'.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-15345638

hanimmal said:

Or it is a scam that is designed to get people to sign up and give them their information to access the 'free content'.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-15345638

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Or are aliens really in control...

DIY-HP-LED said:

Don't ya know, suffering is all in your mind and it's a question of choice for some.

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You have a very limited scope of reality.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Or are aliens really in control...

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Or just not trusting a youtube doctor who practices medicine in a place that he also got all of his degrees from, which just happens to be a 7th day end times cult-light university that looks about as credible as a nursing degree from 'Liberty University'.

I don't know why you are so invested in this guys credibility. I am the one saying to not just trust stuff on the internet.

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

You have a very limited scope of reality.

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Don't we all. Tighten up your definition of suffering, it's not the same as physical or psychological pain. I harvested a plant yesterday with tears in my eyes for a spell thinking of Charlotte Figi who died the other day at 13 years old of covid19, and even though soaked in sadness and not turning away from the feeling, I did not suffer. Almost all suffer, most know no other way.

hanimmal said:

Or just not trusting a youtube doctor who practices medicine in a place that he also got all of his degrees from, which just happens to be a 7th day end times cult-light university that looks about as credible as a nursing degree from 'Liberty University'.

I don't know why you are so invested in this guys credibility. I am the one saying to not just trust stuff on the internet.

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I'll agree with ya there hanimmal, trust nothing, I'm defending the innocent until proven otherwise. The fact that I'm open to evidence should tell you something and in a way you are providing a service, but in another way your are also doing the Russians work for them and are in danger of becoming that which you fear.

Fogdog said:

The Great Lakes are world famous for the wreck dives. I haven't been but what I've seen in photos and video, visibility is pretty good too.

True story and totally off topic. When I was 12 or so, I'd go into the Northern CA waters to boogie board wearing just my swim suit. Water was freezing cold but I got numb and would spend hours in the surf line where I could just stand, catching waves when I could. When I came in, I was horrified to find that the sand on the boogie board had rubbed my nipples raw. Red raw. Even wearing a shirt hurt.

Didn't stop me. I wore a tee shirt the next time. I learn slow.

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I’ve been diving Lake Ontario fo 40 years and the visibility is great now .... crystal clear! Thank you zebra mussels . But yup it’s fucking cold lol. I can’t get my arms down to my sides in my 1/2” neoprene .... it’s seems to have shrunk

Budley Doright said:

I’ve been diving Lake Ontario fo 40 years and the visibility is great now .... crystal clear! Thank you zebra mussels . But yup it’s fucking cold lol. I can’t get my arms down to my sides in my 1/2” neoprene .... it’s seems to have shrunk

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If you wetsuit dive in winter I don't need to feel guilty about telling you to chop a hole in the ice! It must be quite the experience for a minute or two even with a half inch thick one, they call it a wet suit for a reason.

Budley Doright said:

I’ve been diving Lake Ontario fo 40 years and the visibility is great now .... crystal clear! Thank you zebra mussels . But yup it’s fucking cold lol. I can’t get my arms down to my sides in my 1/2” neoprene .... it’s seems to have shrunk

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Ship wrecks?

DIY-HP-LED said:

If you wetsuit dive in winter I don't need to feel guilty about telling you to chop a hole in the ice! It must be quite the experience for a minute or two even with a half inch thick one, they call it a wet suit for a reason.

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Nope not ice diving ! But some pretty cold dives when younger.

Justin-case said:

Ship wrecks?

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A couple years ago but I stay pretty shallow now and mostly on my lake around shoals and drop offs to salvage lures and the odd fish.....shhh lol.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Don't we all. Tighten up your definition of suffering, it's not the same as physical or psychological pain. I harvested a plant yesterday with tears in my eyes for a spell thinking of Charlotte Figi who died the other day at 13 years old of covid19, and even though soaked in sadness and not turning away from the feeling, I did not suffer. Almost all suffer, most know no other way.

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Can you please show me your harvested weed. Did you grow a Charlotte’s Webb? I see so much suffering every single day it’s mind blowing. I hear the cry’s of pain and then I see it in their bones in a 3D image.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I'll agree with ya there hanimmal, trust nothing, I'm defending the innocent until proven otherwise. The fact that I'm open to evidence should tell you something and in a way you are providing a service, but in another way your are also doing the Russians work for them and are in danger of becoming that which you fear.

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Which is why I am open to having the conversation if I start pushing something that starts to stray into one too many 'ifs', it is generally a good place to look at if I am getting too far over my skies. So one of the members that spots the bullshit can call me out on it. I know I need to be checked from time to time. It is impossible to not get sucked into believing your own b.s. from time to time.

Again, I don't have any clue about the competency of doing his job, or even his credibility. Just the amplification of what he is doing is only because Fox News did a blurb on it and Trump advertised it as the best thing since snake oil on the loudest megaphone in humanities ('acceptedly known', can be added for you Ancient Aliens fans) history, makes me question why I am seeing it and I ask a few questions, once I hit a certain threshold of bullshit, I stop thinking I know enough to just trust what I feel.

I want this drug to be everything it Trump says it is. But the only reason this one treatment is being even discussed is almost fully due to Trump's mentioning of it. Which in his mind is just a gamble like everything else in his fraudulent life has been. If the Drug works, he gets to say 'see, and everyone was against me (which is a lie, nobody sane would not want a cure to be found)', or if it doesn't he shrugs it off and says it is the doctors faults and attack cities (blue areas of the country)/Blue States/Democrats on a micro targeted level to all the citizens he has emails/data on with the exact set of topics that particular person cares about, and shamelessly cat fishing the propaganda as progressive.

Here is one that will cause some disagreement I'm sure. I recently quit smoking pot, but not because of this article, but because of other research and common sense. If you are older or vulnerable and want to survive the ordeal, then it's something to consider, if you want to increase your odds, I've made my own choice. Argue with the experts if ya want, I won't. I'm also not supplying medical people with pot anymore unless they eat it and even then it might lower immune function a bit. They have prescriptions though and I just supply medicine for free to the poor, but I will mention this to them, when social distancing ends, right now nobody is getting anything unless it's really required and I've had no calls. I'm starting to feel somewhat uncomfortable doing this now and I'm doing a rethink, but I have to keep those in need in mind too.
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Smoking weed and coronavirus: Even occasional use raises risk of Covid-19 complications

(CNN)If you're smoking weed to ease your stress during the coronavirus pandemic, experts say it's time to think twice.
Smoking marijuana, even occasionally, can increase your risk for more severe complications from Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

Coronavirus symptoms: 10 key indicators and what to do

"What happens to your airways when you smoke cannabis is that it causes some degree of inflammation, very similar to bronchitis, very similar to the type of inflammation that cigarette smoking can cause," said pulmonologist Dr. Albert Rizzo, chief medical officer for the American Lung Association. "Now you have some airway inflammation and you get an infection on top of it. So, yes, your chance of getting more complications is there."
Hey wait, you might say, I've only just started and I'm not smoking much -- so what's the harm?

The problem, said Dr. Mitchell Glass, a pulmonologist and spokesperson for the American Lung Association, is that the last thing you want during a pandemic is to make it more difficult for a doctor to diagnose your symptoms.
"Covid-19 is a pulmonary disease," Glass said. "Do you really want to have a confounding variable if you need to see a doctor or a healthcare worker by saying, 'Oh, and by the way, I'm not a regular user of cannabis, but I decided to use cannabis to calm myself down.'
"You don't want to do anything that's going to confound the ability of healthcare workers to make a rapid, accurate assessment of what's going on with you," he added.
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DIY-HP-LED said:

The sequence of events started on Mar 6th was a discussion about RNA viruses and the role of zinc in inhibiting viral replication, it's in update # 32 above and is a pretty good refresher for anybody who wants a foundation in understanding the subject. Someone referenced in update #34, a paper showing Chloroquine was a zinc ionophore (helps zinc get inside cells) in vitro (Mar 10). Next it was found that hydroxychloroquine was also a zinc ionophore and much better tolerated the chloroquine in #34 on Mar 10th.

Here is the story of how Donald found out.

How Trump Became Obsessed with Hydroxychloroquine

Elon Musk, a terribly flawed French study, and Trump's trade adviser all hyped an antimalarial drug as the coronavirus cure.

www.gq.com

How Trump Became Obsessed with Hydroxychloroquine
Elon Musk, a terribly flawed French study, and Trump’s trade adviser all hyped an antimalarial drug as the coronavirus cure.
BY LUKE DARBY
April 7, 2020

"What do you have to lose?" Donald Trump asked rhetorically at a press briefing on Saturday. He was talking about hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial drug, which is also approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and which the president has latched on to as a miracle cure for coronavirus. Even if it's not, he says, coronavirus patients who are likely to die should go for it. "Take it. I really think they should take it. But it's their choice. And it's their doctor's choice or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine. Try it, if you'd like."
For now, there's limited evidence that hydroxychloroquine can help with mild cases of coronavirus, but that evidence is either anecdotal or based on questionable studies, some without control groups. Speaking to Face the Nation on CBS Sunday, Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said, "There have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there's no effect. So, I think in terms of science, I don't think we could definitively say it works."
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what is wrong with his eyes..?