Putting the flower room into overdrive. 1110 Watts quantum boards + 2000 Watts HPS

Below the canopy: Not a stitch of light getting through. I stake the branches down towards any gaps in the canopy so there is zero light wasted.


The monster otherwise known as Jager:


Jager experiencing some leaf claw: The strain does not appear to like intense lighting. It's the only plant in the entire room doing this. I do not like the strain at this point. It ties up a lot of space, and I don't like that the genetics aren't hardy enough to handle the light like all the other strains in the room. It's not a huge issue, but it's enough that I'd rather fill that space with girl scout cookies or critical mass next cycle. This will be Jager's last voyage in my flower room.


Black Widow:


Maui Waui:


The canopy rear to front:


That's all folks 6 weeks to go.

Just went in to do a check at lights on and only 2 lights came on. I blew a breaker last night on one of my 20 amp circuits. Both LED's, one 600w, and one 1000w went offline just before 11 pm last night. I recently reconfigured what was plugged into my 2 dedicated 20 amp circuits that power my lights and had too much power drawing off of 1 of those circuits. I added on a portable a/c unit to one of those 20 amp circuits that already had 2000w of power draw. The max draw for watts on a 20 amp circuit is 2400. Math and numbers are particularly important when dealing with electric. Take your time. Always verify the load you are pulling on a circuit after you've made alterations to ensure the circuit is not being over loaded. I failed to do this when I made my changes. Fortunately that's why we have safety devices called circuit breakers. I have corrected the error. I will be a great deal more careful making changes in the future. After harvest and the room is clear I'll be installing a 30 amp 220V circuit so I can attach a 4 tap light controller. I'll then have the other 2 dedicated 20 amp circuits for all of the various accessories that run in the room. Portable a/c, heater, fans, etc...

Aside from the sting of making a stupid mistake I'm most upset about losing nearly 7 hours of productivity last night. I suppose it could have been worse. This has been a learning experience.

Update: Today is transplant day. I combined 2 clones to each 1 gallon hempy bucket. The result is more main colas and a thicker canopy with less veg time. Dope, right? I still wound up throwing away 10 or so rooted clones. There's only so much space in the grow room, but I used as many as I could. Hell, I even put 4 of the moonshine haze #1 x ghost train haze #1 in the same bucket. The strain grows very lanky with sparse flower sites. This should bulk up the productivity of this particular 5 gallon bucket substantially while using as many clones as I can. #4 chunky perlite as usual. I feed the same EC to my clones I feed to the rest of my garden regardless of stage of growth. 1.8-1.9 or 900-1000 PPM.



Life under the 2 new 110W quantum boards in nursery A:


Blue Dream topping and training hardcore baby:


Life under the COB in nursery B:


Another recently topped Blue Dream:


And a black widow donation for my neighbor:

jonnynobody said:

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S hooks on Amazon and key rings on the bars for the hooks to mount to. I used channel locks to bend the hooks closed completely. There's no need to mount the light anywhere other than at the top of the tent unless you intend to burn your foliage.

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Very impressive grow. I'm jealous of all of the amazing space that you have.

The black tote with all of the clones in Nursery B, is that what you root all of your clones in? If you don't mind me asking, what is inside the tote?

Is it just water/nutes and some airstones? I need to create a tiny cloner myself and am not sure if I should go the sprayer route or the airstone route. If you have some advice I would appreciate it.

Again, great work!

jonnynobody said:

Below the canopy: Not a stitch of light getting through. I stake the branches down towards any gaps in the canopy so there is zero light wasted.
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The monster otherwise known as Jager:
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Jager experiencing some leaf claw: The strain does not appear to like intense lighting. It's the only plant in the entire room doing this. I do not like the strain at this point. It ties up a lot of space, and I don't like that the genetics aren't hardy enough to handle the light like all the other strains in the room. It's not a huge issue, but it's enough that I'd rather fill that space with girl scout cookies or critical mass next cycle. This will be Jager's last voyage in my flower room.
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Black Widow:
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Maui Waui:
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That's all folks 6 weeks to go.

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Looking good

Just wanted to mention, the leaf curl on the Jager appears to be nitrogen toxicity. The edges and tips curling downward are classic signs of N tox. If it was light stress related the leafs serrated edges would be curling upwards like in the pic of the Maui Waui.

NukaKola said:

Looking good

Just wanted to mention, the leaf curl on the Jager appears to be nitrogen toxicity. The edges and tips curling downward are classic signs of N tox. If it was light stress related the leafs serrated edges would be curling upwards like in the pic of the Maui Waui.

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You may be on to something there. I feed maxi grow until the end of week 2 of flower as the plants make their last growth spurt before I axe the N and switch to maxi bloom to promote flower set and growth. I gave them all their first maxi bloom feed about 3 days ago. Since Jager has responded positively to the change. I honestly wasn't sure what to attribute the change to. You may have hit a bullseye on that one. You've got a good eye for plant diagnostics.

MrFlatbush said:

Very impressive grow. I'm jealous of all of the amazing space that you have.

The black tote with all of the clones in Nursery B, is that what you root all of your clones in? If you don't mind me asking, what is inside the tote?

Is it just water/nutes and some airstones? I need to create a tiny cloner myself and am not sure if I should go the sprayer route or the airstone route. If you have some advice I would appreciate it.

Again, great work!

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Yes. There is an 800GHP aquarium pump that pushes water through a 1/2" PVC manifold with EZ clone spray nozzles installed throughout the manifold to create the mist. I also run air stones in the bottom to provide oxygen to the newly established roots. I feel the best practice for operating any clone bucket / tote is to not only provide mist through a PVC manifold and aquarium pump, but also provide oxygen to the water with air stones and a pump. I typically keep my clones in the tote for at least 2 weeks. I don't transplant them as soon as a few hairy roots poke out from the stem. I let a large swath of roots grow before I transplant. If I didn't provide oxygen to the water inside the tote with air stones the water would go rancid quickly. That's not good for any plants much less new clones you are trying to develop roots on. If you look through this thread I have detailed instructions on how I assembled the clone tote. If you have any questions by all means let me know. It costed me about $120 to put the whole thing together for a 35 site clone tote that will out perform anything one can buy off a store shelf or amazon for that matter.


The red nozzles on the opposing ends have since been altered and pointed down towards the bottom. There is no need to point any nozzles on the exterior of the manifold towards the lid. If you point your nozzles towards the lid I can assure you leaks will develop. The 2 nozzles in the center pointing up are just fine and cause no leaks. This is clone tote 2.0. Clone tote version 1 had leaks due to a poorly designed manifold coupled with poorly positioned nozzles due to operator error by the engineer (that's me). I built a new manifold properly and pointed all nozzles towards the bottom of the tote. Worked beautifully. No leaks. Nothing but great performance and quickly rooted clones.

Sprayed all clones and vegging plants with another application of Forbid 4F @ 75% strength with nectar for the gods Hygeia Hydration which is a wetting agent to improve application efficacy. I only needed to mix 1 quart so full strength per gallon is .3ML/quart. 75% = .75(.3)=.225
So .225ML per quart of Forbid 4F is 75% strength. I use diabetic insulin syringes available at any pharmacy with the needle tip removed. They unscrew. I think I paid $10 for a 10 pack. The Hygeia Hydration is just a fancy stupid fucking name for a cheap wetting agent comprised of yucca extract. Always use a wetting agent when applying pesticides. Don't be a jew trying to save a nickle. Just buy it and do it the right way. It's cheap. $15 for a quart that will last years.

Also, I hung a heavy duty curtain rod and heavy duty light blocking polyester curtain to create an entry corridor into the flower room. This ensures a 100% light sealed room even when I'm watering during lights off which is the only time I water. Also I added a lamp with a green light bulb, so I can see what the fuck I'm doing as I move 32 gallon reservoirs in and out of that corridor on watering days. Nothing fancy. Just effective and convenient. On the other side of the accordion door there is a heavy duty tarp that hangs top to bottom over the entry opening from the inside of the flower room going out. Overkill? Fuck no. Just right

jonnynobody said:

Yes. There is an 800GHP aquarium pump that pushes water through a 1/2" PVC manifold with EZ clone spray nozzles installed throughout the manifold to create the mist. I also run air stones in the bottom to provide oxygen to the newly established roots. I feel the best practice for operating any clone bucket / tote is to not only provide mist through a PVC manifold and aquarium pump, but also provide oxygen to the water with air stones and a pump. I typically keep my clones in the tote for at least 2 weeks. I don't transplant them as soon as a few hairy roots poke out from the stem. I let a large swath of roots grow before I transplant. If I didn't provide oxygen to the water inside the tote with air stones the water would go rancid quickly. That's not good for any plants much less new clones you are trying to develop roots on. If you look through this thread I have detailed instructions on how I assembled the clone tote. If you have any questions by all means let me know. It costed me about $120 to put the whole thing together for a 35 site clone tote that will out perform anything one can buy off a store shelf or amazon for that matter.


The red nozzles on the opposing ends have since been altered and pointed down towards the bottom. There is no need to point any nozzles on the exterior of the manifold towards the lid. If you point your nozzles towards the lid I can assure you leaks will develop. The 2 nozzles in the center pointing up are just fine and cause no leaks. This is clone tote 2.0. Clone tote version 1 had leaks due to a poorly designed manifold coupled with poorly positioned nozzles due to operator error by the engineer (that's me). I built a new manifold properly and pointed all nozzles towards the bottom of the tote. Worked beautifully. No leaks. Nothing but great performance and quickly rooted clones. View attachment 4735504
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Thank you for the detailed reply, I really appreciate it. I will definitely comb through the post, which I should have done before initially asking. Thanks again.....

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Thank you for the detailed reply, I really appreciate it. I will definitely comb through the post, which I should have done before initially asking. Thanks again.....

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I drink enough expresso in a day's time to kill a horse. It's my pleasure to help another grower

Today I had to do some electrical work after watering. I have had to set my portable a/c timer every single day by snaking my way through the floor around the buckets to set the timer. This is not fun. Really not fun. I have a 20 amp circuit in the flower room that has receptacles allover the room. None of my grow lights run on that circuit. However, it's a perfect circuit to plug in my 20 amp timer into so I can safely place my portable a/c on a got-dam timer once and for all to end this stupid daily routine of mine. I noticed the idiots that did the wiring on the circuit did use the correct 12 gauge wire, but they did not use 20 amp receptacles. Idiots. In any event you cannot plug in a 20 amp timer on a 15 amp receptacle. The left blade is sideways instead of vertical. It's a safety design so you cannot plug in a 20 amp device into a 15 amp receptacle. So, I went to the hardware store and dropped $3.49 on a 20 amp duplex. I popped on my green headlight, snaked my way through the floor of the flower room all the way to the electric panel, killed power to the circuit, and replaced the duplex receptacle. Restored power, set my 20 amp timer, plugged in the portable a/c, and problem fucking solved. What a monster pain in the cock. But it's done.



Another issue that's been pissing me off is a self inflicted wound. I'm running 7 different strains. Why is this a bad idea? It's difficult to maintain an even canopy when you're running different strains that have different degrees of stretch in the first 3 weeks of the flower cycle. Some stretch significantly more than others. My moonshine haze #1 x ghost train haze #1 is shooting up above the rest of the plants, and the exterior of the canopy where that plant is doesn't get good lighting on several colas that are developing. I can't move or make any adjustments except for the hood.

Check out my solution: It was really my only option until after the room is cleared when I can mount the hood more appropriately closer to the wall. It's just too far away presently, so this is really all I could do. Seems to be working great. Did the same with my quantum boards to hit the rear of the canopy that had a light drop off issue. Sometimes you just gotta MacGyver that shit homie

Update: Today is transplant day for the 3 blue dreams. The root systems are strong enough that it's the perfect time for transition. While transplanting I decided to top all 3 plants thoroughly. I hit every single flower site I could. After the transplant I then tied down all of the branches to form a bush rather than a christmas tree. In about 5 days the new flower sites should double what was there before the topping resulting in more bud in the flower cycle. Topping is crucial. If you do nothing else top and tie your plants down. Tying down creates the even canopy. Topping multiplies your flower sites. That's what were in this for, right? I do not consider topping an option. It is a requirement. If you choose to shoot yourself in the foot and you fail to top your plants you will see diminished yields. In addition to topping I took photos showing everyone how I process and rinse my perlite for my water to waste hempy buckets. I may have gone a little overkill with pictures, but I want people to see how easy this is if you setup properly and prepare. If you do not prepare it's a through and through nightmare of a mess. Let's run this shit

I will stagger the pictures through multiple posts to comply with RIU's 10 attachment per post limit.

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Rinsed and done. Let it drain overnight. Move it to a storage location tomorrow. Done and done.

Now the transplant, tie down, and topping:

This is a re-veg. This was plant number 14 in the flower room. It was on the edge of the canopy receiving poor lighting which would have produced shit flowers. How can we fix this? Re-veg that bitch. I chopped all the tops and tied down all the branches to create a bush formation. She was just beginning her 3rd week of flower, so as she re-veges over the next 7 weeks she's going to turn into a monster. Now that's how you make lemonade outta lemons eh?

MAUI WAUI RE-VEG:



Hair cut from topping the blue dreams:



Blue dream topped and tied:




Maui waui re-veg:


Blue dream tied, topped, and tamed:


Maui waui re-veg:

Thanks to @NukaKola for helping me identify a nasty nitrogen toxicity in my Jager. As soon as I switched her to bloom formula the whole plant perked right up and she's looking great packing on the flower sites. I think it was the first time I've ever had N toxicity. You learn something new every day

2 Blue dream's and a maui waui are the big girls. The rest are the runts that just came out of the cloner the other day. All are growing for the next flower cycle. T minus 7 weeks to showtime. Bush dam you! Bush!

Nursery under the 2 110w quantum boards happy as can be:



Nursery B under the COB:

Sorry for the lake of updates. I had to do some roofing and fascia board repair thanks to damage left from an ice dam ripping off my fucking gutter last year. Gotta love Michigan baby. I have been feeling that my lights are too close together in the flower room. Today I moved the 2 600W HID's back about 6". Now that doesn't sound like much, but let me tell you it's a lot. I was able to snug the hood up between 2 joists thanks to that little 6" which allowed more space between the hood and the canopy by about 4 or 5". As a result the light spreads much further than before which allowed me to spread the plants out pulling the last row out a bit allowing the plants a little breathing room instead of being crammed together.

The ghost train stretched a lot. It was almost touching the glass causing a couple of leaves to curl. I decided to swap spaces with the maui which was in the middle of the canopy and short as can be. This was no easy task in a packed tight flower room my friends. I got 'er done though. Here are some up to date pics. I think I'm about to begin week 4 of flower in a couple of days. Jager is still acting finicky. Leaf curl and yellowing on the lower leaves. Odd. None of the other plants are doing this. Only Jager. Flower development seems unhindered. As long as she cranks out quality flower it's all good. I trashed the leaves on my hash plant pretty good last cycle by blasting them with the 660w LED at full power for the entire flower cycle. They were all fairly bleached and twisting a bit. The flower was fan-fucking-tastic! Rock hard and dense. I also did a a final leaf strip today opening up light access to more flower sites. No more training. No more staking. No more moving. Easy street until the chop. I suspect the haze and black widow may need to flower for 10 weeks instead of 8 or 9. I will give them as much time as they need.

Jager lower leaves:

I crawl through this with a water wand to water every other day and drain the drip trays. It's actually not bad at all. I don't have much desire to automate anything, because it is so easy. Every time I think about doing it I consider the list of problems that it could cause. 1 plant receiving more water than another, clogs, catch trays over flowering, etc... That's just too many variables for me which is why I chose to grow in hempy buckets. Simple and hassle free. I'm also experimenting with lowering my PPM to 800-850 or about 1.8 EC. I have been around 950PPM or nearly 2.0 EC which I think may be high for the size of my plants. I'll post results in the next 7 days how the experiment goes.

And Nursery A under the two 110W quantum boards is going fantastic! I'm very happy with my purchase and choice on power output. Perfection!


Look at all the flower sites after topping the 2 blue dreams on the left. Believe it or not I didn't even top the maui on the right. She did that all on her own. Fucking fantastic strain! I'm pretty stoked about the next flower cycle. I haven't grown blue dream in over 5 years. She's very special.

Looking excellent bud!
Seams like you're learning led pretty fast! I like the hps/led combo too. Can't go wrong there! Keep up the good work!