natro.hydro
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Yup it is definitely in league with step on a crack break your mothers back lol
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I'm an independant, as posting Pat Buchanan quotes might have indicated. Obviously, since I'm posting on RIU, I have some liberal points of view. But I've always believed that the security of my home, and by extension, the nation, should be the #1 item on every politician's agenda.As a conservative (can I call you that?) do you now agree that it was a HUGE mistake to go in to Iraq?
Thank you for this information Amos, I am actually thinking about buying this book and reading. I love history!Do you know who Patrick Buchanan is? He was wildly mocked by liberals for saying exactly the same thing in two failed presidential bids 20 or so years ago.
His book "Where the Right Went Wrong" predicted the events we all see now. One of many books whose prophecies play out nightly on your TV screen.
Very cool, I learned something new about you. See you can't always make accurate presumptionsI was a regular listener to the Sunday Morning shows when I was travelling for business. All Things Considered, Click and Clack, and Prairie Home Companion.
With a hippie pedigree, I grew up adopting the anti-establishment political views of my favorite bands if I were put on a spot, but I just dug the music/sex/drugs, and avoided the politics. Just wasn't interested. That changed after 9/11. I became a sponge for information. I surfed AM talk radio with open ears before settling on shows that reflected my own concerns and opinions about the leadership and direction of the country.
I just heard this, and I'll use it for my answer: "ISIS is a disease on humanity, and we have the antidote. The antidote also has an expiration date, after which it no longer works." Greg Gutfeld
Have you seen "The Newsroom" I think it is an HBO or Showtime show, but the point is I agree news should be more of a debate and real answers should be given instead of this jump around the hoop and play your part kinda thing.Very cool, I learned something new about you. See you can't always make accurate presumptions
It is interesting that you mention self selection of media that reinforces ones view point. It's one reason I stopped watching cable news. I really don't want to be in an echo chamber. Besides the whole simply reinforcing the same viewpoint, it begins to become everything is "x" to blame when in reality, most situations are more complicated.
I've always liked civil, intelligent debate/conservations. It challenges ones own beliefs and perhaps provides insight as to why someone believes something in opposition to my own view point.
It's no different than selecting your music station, really.Very cool, I learned something new about you. See you can't always make accurate presumptions
It is interesting that you mention self selection of media that reinforces ones view point. It's one reason I stopped watching cable news. I really don't want to be in an echo chamber.
I'm an independant, as posting Pat Buchanan quotes might have indicated. Obviously, since I'm posting on RIU, I have some liberal points of view. But I've always believed that the security of my home, and by extension, the nation, should be the #1 item on every politician's agenda.
I think the correctness for invading Iraq has to be viewed by whether the reason given - WMDs - was manufactured or legit. Several other countries verified the intelligence reports as valid, and many prominant Democrats supported the actions.
He hadn't used chemicals to wipe out and maim thousands of Kurds.I didn't buy the reason then, and I don't buy it now. Why was Iraq/Saddam a threat then, but not before?
This is along the line of what I was typing in answer to your 5 options post - before the CheeseDom bombed me. Imagine this scenario:We had neighbours a couple years back that kinda sucked. They did little shit that was annoying like not putting their trash in to trash cans, which invited raccoons to tear open bags and make a huge mess that would blow all over our yard. My wife and I were thrilled when they put the house up for sale and moved. Guess what moved in? An even shittier neighbour.
Be careful what you wish for
This is along the line of what I was typing in answer to your 5 options post - before the CheeseDom bombed me. Imagine this scenario:
Your family lives on a rather private cul de sac with 5 other houses of very nice neighbors, until one moves out, and a total POS then moves in. Trash cans are the least of your worries, because he and his ever present friends sit out all day getting drunk and menacing the women and kids on the street as they go past, with lewd remarks and gestures among other low class behavior.
The cops are called for disturbances and complaints, until a cop honestly tells you, 'he hasn't done anything we could put him in jail for', and until he does, we can't keep running over here every day'.
So, you and your good neighbors decide to reason w/ the lout. You all drop by, even carrying a cake, to let this guy know what good people you are - thinking that being nice will change his behavior. You all explain that you're only after peace and harmony. You all get to stay until he eats all the cake, then he calls you all pu$$ies and tosses you out with a warning: he is here to stay, and you'll all regret getting in his business.
Next morning you have knifed tires, and so do your neighbors. You get a call at work from your wife that he showed up at the door and delivered a lewd and profanity laced message to her that he was gonna drop by one day soon, and show her what a real man can do for her. No witnesses...no cell phone. She's hysterical......but when she told the cops he was no longer at the door, they don't come, as they said they would not.
What's your move? More talk?
At what point, do you recognize that this man sees talk as weakness, and sees you all as people he can effectively 'terrorize'.
Do you respond when he 'allegedly' assaults a good neighbor, or will it take him actually hurting you - or your wife and kids - before you do 'something'? Do you continue to do nothing, and live in fear of him? Do you allow him to bully you into vacating the neighborhood, which is now what 2 of your friends have done? Your wife and kids cower behind the windows when you're gone, and you can't concentrate and do your job effectively.
What's your move?
That were given to him by the United States and endorsed by the United States. Some members of congress attempted to severe ties with him when he did that only to be blocked by Dick Cheney and the gang. Clearly a moral group of actors not simply trying to line their pocket books.He hadn't used chemicals to wipe out and maim thousands of Kurds.
I mean it's pretty close to what I was involved with a couple years ago. A drunken idiot was doing burn outs in a souped up POS in the parking lot of my condo, I wasn't being a dick the fire department came with sirens on because of the amount of smoke they thought it was a house fire, they told me to call the cops when I should have left it to them. I called the cops and dealt with 2 years of being called a rat and a pussy and everything else while trying to restrain myself.Tell me that's not an actual scenario that you were in?
My move? There would likely be a physical altercation.
I mean it's pretty close to what I was involved with a couple years ago. A drunken idiot was doing burn outs in a souped up POS in the parking lot of my condo, I wasn't being a dick the fire department came with sirens on because of the amount of smoke they thought it was a house fire, they told me to call the cops when I should have left it to them. I called the cops and dealt with 2 years of being called a rat and a pussy and everything else while trying to restrain myself.
LUCKILY he moved before things got violent, they were very close to escalating past a point of no return, when my sister came by with her kids in the car and he was taunting her I felt like going to his house and dealing with it on his front lawn. But that would have just landed me in the clink and him out boozing.
It still gets me fired up just thinking about how big of a low life this person was. The cops were called a few more times when he threatened me in my parking lot but of course they never do anything. The fucked up part is he hid from the cops the first time and they deemed it normal behaviour for a 35 year old man to fucking hide if he did nothing wrong I guess? I mean he was fucking drunk, he could barely stand and they let him stumble in his house he could have easily killed someone or done over $100,000, that's a conservative estimate it's fairly large condo parking there's like 40-50 cars out there ,in damage hitting others cars.
I've never seen such a piece of shit human being in my life. There are people out there like this, sadly. It is terrorism of a different kind. I'm a grown as man this mother fucker was trying to bully me it was unreal.
I think that is his point, it would lead to force.Tell me that's not an actual scenario that you were in?
My move? There would likely be a physical altercation.