Question About Being A Caregiver

gladstoned

Well-Known Member
Does a caregivers skill, equipment, strain, etc. determine the amount of overages they have? just say yes, cuz that's the answer.
Should Michigan Law be that a caregiver is allowed a given amount per month, say two ounces for the caregiver, then the patients split up the rest no matter how much? Fuck, hell no! It shouldn't. So how much are you allowed harvest? Next year when you are a better grower, will you give away every extra gram? hell no.
This is ridiculous, Bet your ass the Salvation Army is a non-profit and they have employees making over 50,000 a year.
MSNBC showed mothers and unemployed workers going to school to learn how to grow to make a living. It is the fastest growing industry in Michigan and one of the highest in the country. Keep records, get an accountant, donate time money, stay in the perameters of the law, and jury trial.
 

bowlfullofbliss

Well-Known Member
Stumpy this one should be locked up. Just another fight about the same old stuff that is in a thousand threads. This crap needs to end, or have a seperate boxing ring for the fight to stay out of productive forums.
 

Buddy Ganga

Active Member
There you go, a perfect example of not only IRONY but a through and through hypocrite as well.
For the most part the conversation in this thread has been pretty civil...

Then you showed up...
 

bowlfullofbliss

Well-Known Member
You call me a little bitch for suggesting that a hijacked thread that turned into yet another pointless "discussion" about calling people drug dealers and to not move to our state be closed, and I'm the bad guy?

Do you even bother to read your own words, or for that matter anyone else's? You truely amaze me.
 

gladstoned

Well-Known Member
Here's my two cents. I thought this was the place for the argument. It was a good, productive thread. The dude is questioning whether to come to Michigan and be a caregiver. This is the thread for that, I think or I thought, (now I sound like Buddys dumb signature that he should have changed a long time ago.)
And to buddy, wtf - you are going at it on every thread. lmfao, dude, this is fucking hilarious. They are going to start a thread about how to stop you. lmfao. I'm rolling up another. fuck it. lmfao
 

Buddy Ganga

Active Member
Here's my two cents. I thought this was the place for the argument. It was a good, productive thread. The dude is questioning whether to come to Michigan and be a caregiver. This is the thread for that, I think or I thought, (now I sound like Buddys dumb signature that he should have changed a long time ago.)
And to buddy, wtf - you are going at it on every thread. lmfao, dude, this is fucking hilarious. They are going to start a thread about how to stop you. lmfao. I'm rolling up another. fuck it. lmfao
Re read the first part of your post and then rethink the second mmmkay...
We were having a pretty good discussion and the claim that this thread has turned bad is bullshit...
 

bowlfullofbliss

Well-Known Member
Re read the first part of your post and then rethink the second mmmkay...
We were having a pretty good discussion and the claim that this thread has turned bad is bullshit...
Just stop. Everytime money comes into it more people get fired up and offended, and it always becomes the same old stuff. Why do you feel the need to come off right out of the gate and call me that? How do you think this is going to go.

Just PM me if you want to get into it.....at least it will save everyone else from seeing this crap.
 

cannofbliss

Well-Known Member
geezz to the guys trippin out... they need to put the crack pipe down and pick up the peace pipe... ;)

seriously... a heavy indica would do you all really nicely... :)
 

vapor85

Well-Known Member
Just ignore the nut jobs jointss. If you can grow really good medicine and you're selling for 200 an ounce then you will find people who want you as their caregiver. Just don't expect 40k.
 

jointss

Member
Just ignore the nut jobs jointss. If you can grow really good medicine and you're selling for 200 an ounce then you will find people who want you as their caregiver. Just don't expect 40k.
ehh well i dont know shit about taxes and shit, and like one guy said how am i going to do my taxes and if i only am a caregiver lol

and i didnt expect exactly 40...i just want to get paid like a normal $9-10 hour job lol and try to enjoy living a decent life and be happy making decent money...im pretty sure they're ton of people who make TON of profit from being caregivers and shit, and i know this but i was comign to the site to see if i could do it a legit good way and help people instead of charging 400-500 oz...

if i could grow fire and make good money right now then i wouldn't need to leave my state lol, and could be an actual drug dealer makin huge prices...i just want to be a normal person like anybody else and have a decent job doin shit i want 2 do like play xbox/read/watch documentaries/friends and so on...i don't actually mind HELPING people as a caregiver either..

i would be happy to have a nice decent car and house and not have to live a stress life working a crappy job for rest of my life because i didn't mean the correct choices in school to become something better than what i actually am

thanks a lot thou guys..i did think that guy was trollin me super hard, the way he type it seem he was really wanting a mean response..if you want to troll go to D2JSP.ORG lol its a gaming website for a game called Diablo II...prob most troll/tryhards in the planet on that site if u wanna spend your day hurting/trying to piss off people.. thanks
 

silent1966

Member
not to mich friend, you cant just move here and abtain your card have to live here a year first,beside for someone who isnt into it for the money you sure do talk alot about it,do us michiganders a fovor and yourself ,stay out of the woods
 

st0wandgrow

Well-Known Member
ehh well i dont know shit about taxes and shit, and like one guy said how am i going to do my taxes and if i only am a caregiver lol

and i didnt expect exactly 40...i just want to get paid like a normal $9-10 hour job lol and try to enjoy living a decent life and be happy making decent money...im pretty sure they're ton of people who make TON of profit from being caregivers and shit, and i know this but i was comign to the site to see if i could do it a legit good way and help people instead of charging 400-500 oz...

if i could grow fire and make good money right now then i wouldn't need to leave my state lol, and could be an actual drug dealer makin huge prices...i just want to be a normal person like anybody else and have a decent job doin shit i want 2 do like play xbox/read/watch documentaries/friends and so on...i don't actually mind HELPING people as a caregiver either..

i would be happy to have a nice decent car and house and not have to live a stress life working a crappy job for rest of my life because i didn't mean the correct choices in school to become something better than what i actually am

thanks a lot thou guys..i did think that guy was trollin me super hard, the way he type it seem he was really wanting a mean response..if you want to troll go to D2JSP.ORG lol its a gaming website for a game called Diablo II...prob most troll/tryhards in the planet on that site if u wanna spend your day hurting/trying to piss off people.. thanks
You seem like a nice cat. I truly wish you the best. I would just think twice about relying on medical marijuana as your only source of income. A lot of shit can go wrong, and you'll be up to your eyeballs in a hurry if you don't have that steady paycheck coming in.
 

ismokealotofpot

New Member
If you pay taxes on it you will get screwed. Irs is a federal thing and feds say its illegal but they will still take your money.Most likely charge you with a federal crime.
 

vapor85

Well-Known Member
You know I saw this thread before everyone started posting in it and thought this was going to be trouble. Man was I right LOL.
 

purklize

Active Member
I don't completely disagree with you. There is a balance to be struck here, though. Caregivers should be providing a service to their patients first and foremost. IMO, a caregiver should be able to provide free meds to their patients, and have plently left over to compensate themselves for. This is within reason, of course. If a patient expects and ounce every week for free, then I would probably not want to act as a caregiver for that patient. My patients get free meds. They usually go through an ounce or two every month. The overages I take to dispensaries as compensation for my time and money. Any decent caregiver should have plenty of overages. The state limits the plant count, not the plants size and/or yield.

People shouldn't be looking to make a living off of this, though ..... which is what this cat sounds like he's trying to do.
According to the Court of Appeals, it's illegal for you to take those overages to the dispensary. They stated that the only way for you to get any compensation is from patients that you are connected to by the registry. So if you want to obey the law, you have two choices: ask the patients for money, or go broke.

If you're spending 40 hours a week or more growing, learning, and delivering, then yes, you should be making a living off of it. If you can't, few will do it. No one will let their kids starve because they decided to work for free full-time for charity, using up all their time and energy, and turning down paying jobs.

Time is money - this is what those who have lived sheltered lives never seen to understand. If you spend all your time doing something that pays nothing, you will have no time to do things that pay. If it costs $500 a month to keep the grow running, $5000 to get it started, your mortgage is $1000 a month, you have three kids to feed and are a single parent so this costs you at least 20 hours a week, and the growing, researching, and delivering costs you another 40 hours a week, what are you going to do? Be generous and ask for no compensation? This would do the patients no favors. This path is a short one to foreclosure - the end of the grow - and being thrown out of your house by the sheriff.

Every hour spent volunteering is an hour that could be spent working for pay. And most of us in Michigan need money very badly. Especially patients - who are frequently also caregivers. Many of these evil caregivers that don't give free meds every month are using that money to buy medicines they can barely afford... for bus fares... etc...

There's 168 hours in the week. We need 56 hours of sleep a week to remain healthy. Attending to hygiene, running errands, and preparing healthy meals is going to take another 20 hours a week, minimum. We're already down to 92 hours available in the week, max - what about time spent socializing? Recreation? Exercising? Taking a break on the weekend to spend time with the wife and kids? To feel vaguely like a normal middle class person, and not a sweatshop slave on the verge of a nervous meltdown with a disintegrating family, this is going to cost at least another 20 hours a week. 72 left now. What about time spent taking care of the kids? Unless you plan on being negligent - another 20 hours is gone. Now you have 52 hours in the week left to earn a living. If growing and delivering takes a single second of this time, you can't maintain a salaried job. I don't know anyone working full time who works less than 50 hours a week. So by growing and delivering for patients they are sacrificing the opportunity for a well paid job, and throwing away a lot of income. If the growing takes even just an average of 20 hours a week - a rather low estimate for a big garden - how are they going to make enough of a living to pay the mortgage, pay $500 in grow related bills every month, feed the kids, get health insurance, etc. (not even going to mention things like taking the kids on "vacation" somewhere other than with you to work once in a while!) if all they have is 30 hours of time a week, and the patients refuse to compensate them in any way for the risk and sacrifice they've endured? Not going to happen!

Try walking a mile in their shoes before you judge...
 
Your honor, The Prosecution would like to introduce exhibit A.


According to the Court of Appeals, it's illegal for you to take those overages to the dispensary. They stated that the only way for you to get any compensation is from patients that you are connected to by the registry. So if you want to obey the law, you have two choices: ask the patients for money, or go broke.

If you're spending 40 hours a week or more growing, learning, and delivering, then yes, you should be making a living off of it. If you can't, few will do it. No one will let their kids starve because they decided to work for free full-time for charity, using up all their time and energy, and turning down paying jobs.

Time is money - this is what those who have lived sheltered lives never seen to understand. If you spend all your time doing something that pays nothing, you will have no time to do things that pay. If it costs $500 a month to keep the grow running, $5000 to get it started, your mortgage is $1000 a month, you have three kids to feed and are a single parent so this costs you at least 20 hours a week, and the growing, researching, and delivering costs you another 40 hours a week, what are you going to do? Be generous and ask for no compensation? This would do the patients no favors. This path is a short one to foreclosure - the end of the grow - and being thrown out of your house by the sheriff.

Every hour spent volunteering is an hour that could be spent working for pay. And most of us in Michigan need money very badly. Especially patients - who are frequently also caregivers. Many of these evil caregivers that don't give free meds every month are using that money to buy medicines they can barely afford... for bus fares... etc...

There's 168 hours in the week. We need 56 hours of sleep a week to remain healthy. Attending to hygiene, running errands, and preparing healthy meals is going to take another 20 hours a week, minimum. We're already down to 92 hours available in the week, max - what about time spent socializing? Recreation? Exercising? Taking a break on the weekend to spend time with the wife and kids? To feel vaguely like a normal middle class person, and not a sweatshop slave on the verge of a nervous meltdown with a disintegrating family, this is going to cost at least another 20 hours a week. 72 left now. What about time spent taking care of the kids? Unless you plan on being negligent - another 20 hours is gone. Now you have 52 hours in the week left to earn a living. If growing and delivering takes a single second of this time, you can't maintain a salaried job. I don't know anyone working full time who works less than 50 hours a week. So by growing and delivering for patients they are sacrificing the opportunity for a well paid job, and throwing away a lot of income. If the growing takes even just an average of 20 hours a week - a rather low estimate for a big garden - how are they going to make enough of a living to pay the mortgage, pay $500 in grow related bills every month, feed the kids, get health insurance, etc. (not even going to mention things like taking the kids on "vacation" somewhere other than with you to work once in a while!) if all they have is 30 hours of time a week, and the patients refuse to compensate them in any way for the risk and sacrifice they've endured? Not going to happen!

Try walking a mile in their shoes before you judge...

The Prosecution rests.
 

purklize

Active Member
Nothing illegal there. The courts have specifically stated that caregiver compensation is completely legal so long as the patient is connected to that caregiver through the registry. What's your point?

A caregiver may receive reasonable compensation for services provided to assist with a qualifying patient's medical use of marihuana.
http://mi.gov/lara/0,4601,7-154-27417_51869_52140---,00.html

MMMA of 2008 said:
4.2(e) A registered primary caregiver may receive compensation for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient in the medical use of marihuana. Any such compensation shall not constitute the sale of controlled substances.


Don't worry about whether you agree with or understand the law the same as I do, worry about whether a judge or jury will see 30-40k a year as "compensation for costs associated with" ... (their focus will be on the word "costs")

Now remember before you reply that we are talking about the LAW and how it is applied, not what loop holes you think you can use to get around it.
You're cheerleading the courts and Bill Schuette who have been deliberately misreading the plain language of the law. They are the ones hunting for loopholes and for some insane reason you support them. The MMMA legalizes sale, period, nowhere in Michigan law is sale prohibited, only transfer and delivery, which the MMMA legalizes. The COA claimed sale was still illegal because the MMMA didn't specifically legalize it, but it was NEVER ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE!

They are attacking sale because they know that growing is expensive and risky, and difficult to justify doing if the grower bears 100% of the burden of the costs, and is not compensated for his work. They know most people in Michigan have little income and fewer financial resources, and that growing won't be an option for them if you end compensation. Those with money are generally too afraid to grow due to the risk of asset forfeiture.

Keep those with assets and high incomes afraid of forfeiture, and keep those with low incomes and few assets unable to get the money required to grow. This multi-prong approach has resulted in most of the state being cut off from mmj, and if you don't believe this was deliberate, you're blind.
 
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