Question about indoor tent temp changes.

dopenixon

Member
Would it be better for this temp to be cooler (65f) and stable, or for it to stay above 67 like this and go up and down between 67-71?

My oil heater takes a few minutes to heat up, then hits the temp and shuts off, and then repeats. Is this fluctuation okay or could it be bad for my plants?

The temp, humidity and VPD follow pretty much the same pattern, up and down the whole time.

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1212ham

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What is the ideal temp in your opinion? It’s very hard to get my temp up without throwing everything else off.
With LED, most like low to mid 80's and some taper off a few degrees as they move through flower.

It's all about leaf temps. Unlike LED, HID and especially HPS have lots of infrared that raises leaf temp above air temp so several deegrees lower is good.
 

Delps8

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What is the ideal temp in your opinion? It’s very hard to get my temp up without throwing everything else off.
From germination until early flower, a tent temperature of up to 85° will maximize growth of the plant. The purpose of the vegetative stage is to let the plant create a large infrastructure with a lot of branches, short internodal space, and a large number of small leaves. That "morphology" is created by giving a plant a lot of light, by using a light with at a good measure of blue in the spectrum, and, with the higher temperatures, the metabolic rate is high so it will be able to grow larger.

With temps in the low 70's, photosynthetic rates will be low. I've attached a graph from the Chandra paper and, while the paper has limitations, the net photosynthesis curve is helpful for this discussion.

Ambient CO2 is now 424ppm so the 500ppm mark on the X axis will have to do. At 20°C the rates of net Photosynthesis ("net P") is about the same as at 40° (104°F) with rates of 8µmol/m2/s. At 35/95, it's about 11, at 25/68 it's up to 13± and at 30/86, it's 18.

Roughly speaking, you will just about double the net P rate by raising the temperature from the low 70's to the mid 80's.

As an aside — one limitation of the study is that the data here are net P for individual leaves that were tested in a very small, environmentally controlled chamber (about the size of a shoe box). Growers who didn't read the paper thoroughly have taken this paper to claim that there's little reason to increase light levels above 500µmol "because the curve starts to roll off". That's simply not correct but, if you look across the world of cannabis sites, that passes for conventional wisdom and it's completely misleading.

My response to this paper was "What if I'm not harvesting net photosynthesis?". That's when I started looking for information about cannabis yields, ran across the Bugbee videos and research papers that have been published on that topic.)

Chandra - Cannabis photosynthesis vs PPFD and Temp.png

In short, get your ambient temps up to the low to mid 80's if you can.

After the second week of flower, the plant stops building out its structure and the bud sites start to mature. At that point, temperatures above 78° will have a significant negative impact on cannabanoids.

Some of the information above is basic plant biology. The "two weeks into flower" and the information about the impact of flower top temperatures above 78° was first published by Mitch Westmoreland about three years ago in a YT video on hemp. Westmoreland was doing the research for his PhD thesis and he shared this information, along with a huge amount of other data, in two videos that were released on You Tube early this year.

There's a lot of common information in the two videos but growers should watch at least one of them. They're easy to find, they're <1 hour long, and they are a gold mine of information.
 

formularacer

Well-Known Member
My suggestion was based on what my outdoor plants spend most of there time at.. In my tent I reach 80.
But if there person is having a hard time maintaining in the 60's hitting 85 is going to be difficult.
 

dopenixon

Member
My suggestion was based on what my outdoor plants spend most of there time at.. In my tent I reach 80.
But if there person is having a hard time maintaining in the 60's hitting 85 is going to be difficult.
My basement tent is about 65f with the lights out, and 72f with the light on. I put a heater in there, and that brings its own challenge with the humidity, but I can easily keep it above 70f lights out and 80f lights on. I'll have to experiment and see what works. I have a humidifier so that's the next tuning process I guess.
 
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