Question For All The People Who Believe In Heaven...

He was comparing the time Ludacris was present vs. your current presence, as in who was here longer.
He did not say you were Ludacris.

Though many of your postings are ludicrous.

That is in a way the perfect word for what Hippie appears to be but it's not the truth.

Woodstock.Hippie said:

It takes more faith to be an atheist, than a person who acknowledges the possibility of a creator(source of creation) and respects a grander scheme of things.

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Ummmm.... NO. It doesn't. Faith is the belief in something for which there is no empirical evidence. It takes the same amount of faith for a man to believe in a creator as it does for him not to believe in a creator.

The words you should have said, as they are more true to the point, is that it takes more personal strength and courage to be an Atheist, than it does to believe in a creator. It takes more courage to believe we are truly alone in the universe. It takes more courage to believe that we will cease to exist upon death. It takes more personal strength to continue to live a happy and worthwhile life, knowing the things that we do.



(I recognize that not every atheist fits into the exact mold of what I have said. If you find that you are one of those atheists, simply ignore the things you don't agree with. I mean no offence.)

Hippie tries to be deep when 'she' isn't. It's all B.S.

We believe it takes much more personal strength to define and defend any belief or lack thereof than it does not to.

We aslo constantly seek empirical evidence to further push the membrane separating knowledge from belief out to new boundaries.

No, you do not.

jeez, the first answers were great and really made me think, then you guys turned it into a fight over ludacris why? dont get me wrong, im happy people are interested in this but lets not turn it into a mudslinging contest. im sorry if i offended any of you, I just dont want all the fighting. I said that in the first sentence of the thread.......

Religion hold humans back, its as simple as that. we wud be far more advanced if we did not have the "end of days" in the back of our heads. Not trying to be mean, but if you do believe in a "god". Its because you need something to look up to. Think about it if we knew there was no god what wud happen??? people wud go apeshit. bcuz wats the point in doing all this if theres no eternity after death? my point exactly.

To make my point more clear lol Religion is there for a reason. We as a organism need sumthing that drives us, a reason to live. But wen u can cope with the fact there is no god its kindof enlighting ;D

Wow!! All I can say is some things are true if you believe in them or not. I do know things were never meant to be the way they are but I did'nt make the rules I just live here. The best answer to the meaning of life I've heard is "To love and to learn as to better understand gods creation and to be kind to others as to reduce the suffering of this world" was in a book I read. I don't believe I have to go to church or join a cult or any bs like that if there is a God and I believe there is and we are his children then there is nothing that can't be forgiven cause as a father I would never forsake my child no matter what, she could kill everyone in this world and the next and I would still love her. But just cause you can don't mean you should. I should also add my believes and the reality of dealing with me are diferent things I wish they wernt but it's hard to be nice to assholes and there sure are alot of them. Just realized I am stoned and off the subject I think you'll be the age you desire or the appearance you desire.

So you believe in God your whole life you die and there is a heaven... you are granted "eternal life"

On the other hand you believe in God and there is no heaven you get the same hand delt to an atheist, nothing.... at most believing and following God or some type of a religeon makes you a better person for mankind.... all i'm saying is what do you really lose???

The freedom to think for yourself.

"We as a organism need sumthing that drives us, a reason to live."
Humanisity's purpose is . . .
Science is working on the answer to that one.

We believe the thread topic to be aging in heaven.

Heaven Involves spirits, and those are out there in The undefined Realm of belief Beyond The Pillars of Hercules.

Please accept my apologies for the derailment of your thread darkdestruction420, as they follow us everywhere around here like little pesky ankle biting RIU trollette flies sucking our brief blood.

Haha, thank you for the rep.

Hey, I think you guys are really taking atheism with a left right approach, where as no one in the atheist clan has made up a dogmatic text that goes for everyone. I mean you can believe there is nothing after death, but science can't prove that. It is feasible to think that once the machine that is consciousness takes off, it might not be able to land. I prefer to think I do not know and rather than dismissing things are overly accepting thing I am rationally critical, things that will be a nuisance in my life go, things that will make me more interested in life stay. So far I have got a fistful of philosophy that keeps me pondering.

As well you cannot deny the fact that the universe must've come from somewhere, not necessarily a conscious and intelligent creator, but some force that brought everything into existence as well as making experience possible. I mean where is the medium in which the universe exists. I once pondered the universe is a 3-Dimensional point, that isn't infinitely big, it is infinitely detailed. Maybe the force that was the BIG BANG pushed the point inward causing the space between to expand. Or that the universe is one long string and it is merely trying to untangle itself, black-holes are areas that have been untangled and every proton is the string passing over itself in a particular way. It is hard to imagine especially with my morning-esque descriptions but its all godd.

Peace

I personally think religions are meant as a means of connecting within self, to understand a part of what we already are, and relate it to how to handle our personal experiences. To align it's spiritual and physical compasses so to speak, and to stay on path through all of these experiences.
The bible can help one meditate its own light into a sun. The Son is a(n) intended pun/actual representation of selflessness. An act to be followed, and that was followed as data and evidence supports concurrently. Even the Naked Archeologist cannot disprove the Bible, and it is the greatest selling book on earth cosistently for many reasons.
I dont think Atheism quite defines or equals freedom or independence, but rather defines how closed a mind can truely be towards what it cannot physically see, I am extremely weary of blissful ignorance. It seems to me it could confine and create self inflicted boundaries, and define self's future limitations with our own thoughts. I dont really want any boundaries in my life. I take all things any man says at at least 20% inaccurate, this post is probably no different...lol
In truth, I dont think we have an ability to be spiritless, no matter how hard we try, including atheists.
A son cannot disown the genes of his father. Your spiritual dna cannot disown the genes of its source either. So here we are...
We ourselves are an extension of this energy, like it or not, and to our own chosen degree, all proginy of this light. We cannot disown what we are, we can only build boundaries to support what we want to believe...

Let's see, hmm, what do we want to beleive?...

I think religions attempt to answer these qestions in ways humans might understand and cope with, some more selflessly and productively than others.

Woodstock.Hippie said:

"We as a organism need sumthing that drives us, a reason to live."
Humanisity's purpose is . . .
Science is working on the answer to that one.

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No, science is not working on "the answer" to what the purpose of humanity is.

That is either a gross misrepresentation or misunderstanding of what science is and does.

Science is a procedure of observing and measuring events. The events are searchable, reproducible, and explainable. Science, even without all the answers, fills in as many gaps as possible that the mind can't just assume about the experience, and is revised as more events are uncovered and explained. Science is being done if you are drinking milk and you find it gives you the runs, so you discontinue lactose and you don't shit yourself anymore. A rational cause and effect description of the universe.

Peace

Woodstock.Hippie said:

morgentaler, you are one of few who realize that.

Are you a scientist?

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I be on my way to being one if my student loan didn't choke. Maybe next year