Question: Grow box intake fan and fabric pots

NewGrower2011

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For me that Controller 67 almost eliminates the need for other devices like that Pulse Grow Room Monitor that I was looking at. If they added VPD into the equation (at least calculate/show/graph it if not use it as a trigger for the win) it would be perfect. Wish it was WiFi though instead of Bluetooth.
 

JoeBlow5823

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For me that Controller 67 almost eliminates the need for other devices like that Pulse Grow Room Monitor that I was looking at. If they added VPD into the equation (at least calculate/show/graph it if not use it as a trigger for the win) it would be perfect. Wish it was WiFi though instead of Bluetooth.
Yeah wifi would be better so you can monitor remotely.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Indeed. Some fans don't cope with static pressure losses as well as others. Centrifugal fans are the best at fighting restriction. Axial are the worst by far and mixed flow fans fall in the middle.

It's generally best to oversize the fan a little and use a variac to slow it down. This will help with the noise and will allow you to turn the fan speed up should the need arise.

Vortex VTX series inline fans are all I will buy.
One of these came with my mother tent kit ( 4x 8 ) .. they are def quiet, and move alot of air!. Variable speed controller was included.
 

JoeBlow5823

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What's the difference?... or the advantage i should say.
Variac actually drops the voltage going to the fan. Typical fan controllers have a "pulse" operation. on for 1/100 of a second, off for 1/100 of a second. Thats why the fans hum at low speeds. Giving the fan full power and then no power thousands of times a minute like that makes the fan far less efficient and it wears them out faster. @Renfro and I have a thread or two where we dig into this whole thing. The variac gives a steady flow at lower voltage. cheap fan controllers work on a "pulse" system.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Variac actually drops the voltage going to the fan. Typical fan controllers have a "pulse" operation. on for 1/100 of a second, off for 1/100 of a second. Thats why the fans hum at low speeds. Giving the fan full power and then no power thousands of times a minute like that makes the fan far less efficient and it wears them out faster. @Renfro and I have a thread or two where we dig into this whole thing. The variac gives a steady flow at lower voltage. cheap fan controllers work on a "pulse" system.
Cool.
 

NewGrower2011

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Just to clarify, variacs only work for the traditional AC fans. These newer DC fans are "EC Controlled" and variacs are not applicable on them. At least that's my understanding...
 

Renfro

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Just to clarify, variacs only work for the traditional AC fans. These newer DC fans are "EC Controlled" and variacs are not applicable on them. At least that's my understanding...
Correct, a DC fan voltage can be controlled by a simple potentiometer. The VARIAC is a variable transformer, only AC power can be inducted through a transformer coil and into another transformer coil. The coil winding counts is the proportion.
 

JoeBlow5823

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Correct, a DC fan voltage can be controlled by a simple potentiometer. The VARIAC is a variable transformer, only AC power can be inducted through a transformer coil and into another transformer coil. The coil winding counts is the proportion.
I think the bigger question is whether or not there are any inline fans that run dc current?
 

Renfro

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I think the bigger question is whether or not there are any inline fans that run dc current?
I think the AC Infinity ones do but I have never used one, they seem more for personal size setups and I question their ability to cope with static pressure loss as they appear to be mixed flow type.
 

JoeBlow5823

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I think the AC Infinity ones do but I have never used one, they seem more for personal size setups and I question their ability to cope with static pressure loss as they appear to be mixed flow type.
Yeah they are no good for pulling air though a carbon filter. I think you are right, the AC Infinity convert to dc and run on that. They come with good speed controllers though so there is no need for a variac.
 

NewGrower2011

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Correct on the AC Infinity being DC-based. For me and a 'closet' size setup the 6" pulls through a 6" filter just fine for my short runs.

But this is also where oversizing the fan still applies of course; I'm okay with a little longer dwell time with the air moving across the filter media so long as there's no harm to the fan itself in the process.
 
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