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TheRachShow said:

Well put, even noobs like me could understand that. And you make a very good point on how flushing is only essential for someone who is in a rush; such as in production purposes. It only makes sense that if you let the plant run it's natural course, flushing would not be needed.

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Yes, but nothing against flushing, I do it myself and much like rzza for extended periods of time, but to reiterate, its not DIRECTLY for 'flavor' but because the plant is grown in a not so natural environment where conditions are perfection its to keep its life as natural as possible and thus the end product as healthy as possible when growing with soil in perfect conditions (indoors) than less is always more - flushing is not necessarily being in a rush as I stated but its a matter of 'keeping things real' to put in simple terms.

As an organic soil grower - You must allow the plant to run its natural course - you must answer to the plant not vice versa.

Bloom Room = Fall

Veg Room = Spring and summer

Keep it real

deprave said:

Yes, but nothing against flushing, I do it myself and much like rzza for extended periods of time, but to reiterate, its not DIRECTLY for 'flavor' but because the plant is grown in a not so natural environment where conditions are perfection its to keep its life as natural as possible and thus the end product as healthy as possible when growing with soil in perfect conditions (indoors) than less is always more - flushing is not necessarily being in a rush as I stated but its a matter of 'keeping things real' to put in simple terms.

As an organic soil grower - You must allow the plant to run its natural course - you must answer to the plant not vice versa.

Bloom Room = Fall

Veg Room = Spring and summer

Keep it real

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So when you say keep the bloom room like fall and the veg room like spring\summer, do you just mean to keep the temp in the room around what it is in those particular seasons? like as to mimic the real seasons?

your on the right track but with cannabis temperature is not a big role unless your talking extreme conditions, what I mean is that in bloom you let the plants finish off the full "season".....to complete the maturation process as ordinarily as possible - a bloom room ready to be harvest should look like the forest in october with yellows, oranges, blues, purples, reds from a far dominating the colors

deprave said:

a bloom room ready to be harvest should look like the forest in october with yellows, oranges, blues, purples, reds from a far...

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You just described Rzza's room about a week back when he had everything going.

I just took a hit of the sharksbreath, props again rzza, it's killer!

So 'Spring and summer' when refering to a veg room just means that its supposed to be really green than?

Yea pretty much. To get the best results out of your plant you want to mimic the best conditions for that strain. Cannabis like a plants can grow in a wide variety of conditions and cannabis especially is a very robust plant and can grow in almost any condition. The better you can give it the optimal conditions the better product you'll end up with.

On another note the MAIN point of flushing is to remove shelated salts leftover in the soil from chemical nutrients. Like I said before veganic grown plants don't need to be flushed due to using 100% natural plant matter for nutrients. Cannabis grown outside in the wild will taste twice as good as the best grown smoke indoors due to the chemical nutes. Chelates salts can hinder growth and actually kill the plant if there's high enough concentration. This is why your supposed to water until theres 10-15% run off and flush every 3 weeks to remove salts trapped in the soil. After 3-6 months there is alot built up in the soil and flushing towards the end removes the salt and nutes to allow the plant to die/fully mature.

So really flushing wSnt brought about to clean the buds out it was to remove potentially deadly salts. It's un natural to grow with chemical nutes and this is why there is so much fuss about bloom enhancers and 20 product lines to get the plant what it needs. Growing veganicly uses grow, bloom, and extra seaweed and b vitamins, along with bacteria and fungi. This alone will produce bigger harvests and better smoke because it's working with the plant instead of pushing it to produce.

I plan to switch completly to veganics as soon as I use up all my nutes

Anyone interested in a quick look at veganics there's a video on YouTube called Kyle kushmans veganic something lol

Klo$etBreeder said:

Anyone interested in a quick look at veganics there's a video on YouTube called Kyle kushmans veganic something lol

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Rzza and I were listening to him talk about the veganics, sounds like some killer stuff. Sense it's based on natural plant matter, would that completely eliminate the possibility of nute burning?

Rzza also just grew Kyle Kushmans Strawberry Cough, and god damn, you wouldn't know a real strawberry from a nug of that bud if you were blindfolded. No joke. Was some nice stuff, though it was not a big yield-er, i still think it was a keeper.

Yea I grew that strawberry 2 years ago outdoors it was a smaller sized plant (my fault) but yielded ok for it's size think I got 3 oz off a 3.5ft plant. 100% purple buds smelt like spices tho it was weird. But it was good kushman I think owns or part owns Dutch passion and that's his strawberry cough you can buy at the tude. Grown organic/veganicly it's redic. And it's the only Strain bred for anti-anxiety I actually have some strawberry cough x master kush f1 seeds from that year still. Haven't grown a single one out yet. There a little preme but I did germ test some and they popped. If anyone wants a few I got maybe 20 left pm me no promises tho lol there from my non caring days of just run it for the buds.

Finished your thread, absolutely amazing! You are truly gifted with bud! I one day hope that I can get my plants to look even half that good! Michigan appreciates you!

hey man had a look at the veganics thanks to you, great stuff but I dont think I would do it without earth worm castings - i feel like bat guano is pretty important for flowering also but most definitely the earth worm castings in particular would be very hard to let go of.

captbooyah said:

Finished your thread, absolutely amazing! You are truly gifted with bud! I one day hope that I can get my plants to look even half that good! Michigan appreciates you!

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thats really nice of you, thanks! maybe we can meet up and you can try some out

deprave said:

hey man had a look at the veganics thanks to you, great stuff but I dont think I would do it without earth worm castings - i feel like bat guano is pretty important for flowering also but most definitely the earth worm castings in particular would be very hard to let go of.

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What's so good about earth worm castings? have you found good results with them?

rzza said:

thats really nice of you, thanks! maybe we can meet up and you can try some out

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I'd recommend that.

TheRachShow said:

I'd recommend that.

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Very good to know... thanks!

Rzza, I hope you have a wonderful Christmas!!!

Went through this thread front to back. Great growing rzza, nice pics. I grow the querk too...just read the "cocaine and a bitch" thread. You grind? what sites...whats your limits?

i have really abandoned this thread once again and appologize. i always do this at harvest time. i also just moved to a new house and ive been swamped with things to do.

cap, ditto. we had a great xmas. thanks. it ended too soon.

lamb, i play mostly on european sites cuz their much softer and smaller mtt fields. i will play everything from the 3 rebuy to 320 fo but lately its been lots of 10rebuy and 20-50fo. how bout you, where do you play? you play live?

do you get into cash games at all? and what is fo?

i play on pokerstars quite a bit. mostly 800-2500 person tourny's. 5-50 dollar entry fees.
if i need money i get on the $1/$2 cash tables....or if im broke the $.25/$.50 tables.

i used to have a weekly live game but 4 of the 6 regular players dont live around here anymore so i dont get a chance to pay live much. i go to any local charity game i can.

ya, I supported myself off online poker for almost 2 years, biggest cash to date is 17k in the 109$ re buy on stars. second biggest is 6k in the 50/50 on fulltilt. I took a long break from poker, couldnt cope with the downswings. Now im back at it...final tabled 2, 300 person fields today, only $11 buy ins. I tend to lose my ass in cash games, i had a $19,000 downswing in 07, playing 2/4...almost went insane....thank god for marijuana or I would have. Yes I play live, only 1/2 cash, since it seems to be the only thing going every time I show up...I always seem to be busy the days the casino hold tournies. I tend to play mostly deep stack tournies online, I feel turbos are nothing more then playing the lottery..although Ive hit some decent prize pools playing turbos, I feel I like to get the most out of my buy in.

never played on a euro site though...thats something to think about.

fo = freeze out.

intertops.com and sportsbook.com are good ones. to reduce variance i often will play 45 to 180 man sng's.

i also like ub (even though i was scammed back in the day by superusers and not refunded in full) for their small fields and great blind structure. i love the 120+10 and 300+20 and sattying into the 1000+50. ive won the steps sng also. one time i started with a buck and got all the way through all 10 steps and won the 12,500 package to some main event but took the cash.

if i could get money on ftp or stars i would play there as well.

my wins include the 100k on bodog and the 20k on intertops, four times in a week also the 15k oonparty and many more similar. i also won the caesars deep stack event ($159) in vegas for almost 10k.

if you need money on FTP Im sure we can arrange something, as long as we write the agreement on 2+2 forum I'm down to ship you cash for the return on another site. You can get money on there yourself by using echeck system, works really well....they even give you the cash on a front until it clears in the bank.

to reduce variance i often will play 45 to 180 man sng's

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lol....I play em too, but I see no reduction in variance. Yes I do cash in them MUCH more then playing say 1500+ person fields....but still get shit on none the less.

i started with a buck and got all the way through all 10 steps and won the 12,500 package to some main event but took the cash

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smart move...I'd take the cash over the ticket any day!


lol...party poker. man I can remember being 21/22 starting out on party poker, haven't check in a bit, but I'm sure they still don't allow US players right?....lol reminds me of the tufffish vids on youtube.